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fatcat2 15-Jun-09, 22:48	Club vs. fatcat2 Hi all, After the success of the semi-consultation game between tekoahbaer and the rest of the Knights of Honour Chess Club, I have decided you to challenge you all to a game myself. This game shall be played, in correspondence, here in this thread. You should hopefully all know how to produce FEN notation after that last game gameknot.com - however, if you don't, it doesn't matter at all! I look forward to a good game. You can play White this time. You may talk over your ideas in this thread - I promise I will only look at your moves, not your thoughts!
antagonistknight 16-Jun-09, 05:14	Hello and good luck I first like to start every game by saying hello and good luck to my opponent. As for my suggestion for White's First move let us go with e4, the aggressive/attacking player's move. I expect fatcat to go with the French Defense, since that is what he consistently opens with against 1.e4 in open games. 1. e4 Hbird
doji 16-Jun-09, 05:29	fatcat2 and hbird1830 fatcat, thank you for starting this game, want to wish you good luck to. For me, it doesn't matter who wins or loses, it is just fun!! hbird1830, I would choose 1. e4 too because of the same reason. Jo
fatcat2 16-Jun-09, 08:29	Voting numbers: Shall we say, 3 votes for a certain move and the move is played? I'll leave the organisation to you lot, my opponents  .
antagonistknight 16-Jun-09, 08:41	3 votes to move sounds good to me.
doji 16-Jun-09, 13:24	3 votes... ... it is. Fine by me!
kendo-ka 16-Jun-09, 14:58	First move I vote for 1.e4 too.
tennesseehiker 16-Jun-09, 19:09	First move Make that 4 votes for 1. e4. This is most always my first move when playing as white as it follows the classical approach with which I am familiar. Thank you fatcat2 for the challenge. I really enjoyed and gleaned strategic planning from tekoahbaer's like challenge, and I am sure I will increase my skill with this one as well. Jim
tennesseehiker 16-Jun-09, 19:13	Deleted by tennesseehiker on 04-Jul-09, 16:25.
doji 17-Jun-09, 00:04	Deleted by doji on 17-Jun-09, 12:03.
fatcat2 17-Jun-09, 08:23	1...e6 1.e4 e6 Your move, club!
doji 17-Jun-09, 12:00	I post this link so you can analyze the board gameknot.com
doji 17-Jun-09, 12:02	And my proposition is.... 2. d4, the most common move I think. Jo
kendo-ka 17-Jun-09, 17:40	2. d4 I agree the most common second move white makes in the French defence.   I would like to add despite what gameknot's spell checker thinks I know how to spell defence I'm British.
unwiredmind 17-Jun-09, 18:50	2. d4 Pick d4 because it's the most common, eh. Picking it because you want to play the French defense seems like a good reason. Just to play the French Defense, as I have never really done, would be great.   The last team I was on kept track of who voted for what so it was easier to keep track, not sure if you all would like to add in the extra second or two to do this or not. doji, kendo-ka, unwiredmind 2. d4
tennesseehiker 18-Jun-09, 08:53	2. Nc3 Analyzed I would like to have Nc3 analyzed despite the fact that d4 has won the vote. Following the classical approach (the only one I know currently), I would have made this move. It moves a minor piece from the home rank in promotion of early developement and it protects our pawn.
fatcat2 18-Jun-09, 10:47	2...d5 OK. So, the Club has agreed upon 2.d4 - it reached the required 3 votes. doji, could you please play this move on the analysis board game game you started against me. My reply is 2...d5 The game, KoHCC vs fatcat2, now looks like this: I eagerly await your next move!!! P.S. In answer to your question, tennesseehiker, 2.Nc3 is a perfectly respectable option, as it develops a minor piece. However, 2.d4 is considered stronger, since it is much more flexible and can develop into any variation of the French Defence; 2.Nc3 can only really transpose into one French Defence variation. Also, your e-pawn is not under attack yet.I'm not going to show you the lines, since that might give you all clues!!!! Having said that, the stronger players probably know the theory already, and will tell you themselves.
doji 18-Jun-09, 14:06	3. exd5 Just because it is a direct attack on the centre... gives options at both sides.
kendo-ka 18-Jun-09, 16:34	3. e5 I'd prefer to go with the advanced french variation. We gain space on the king side against our opponent. Nothing wrong with 2.Nc3 but its probably not as flexible as just playing 2.e4.
fatcat2 18-Jun-09, 23:44	Ooh... Now things are getting interesting   the votes are getting divided! Thanks for playing, Club! I can tell that this will be a great experience for both sides!
tennesseehiker 19-Jun-09, 02:45	French Defence Links For the benefit of those not familar with the French Defense like myself as well as some of you seasoned players who are quite verser on the strategies of the defense, here are some good links I found on the strategy: This offers a play-by-play analysis of a game that utilizers the French Defense. blog.chess.com This given insight into its history and various considerations thereof. I have found Wikipedia.com to offer comprehensive information on chess in general., its history, and various strategies and tactics. en.wikipedia.org This offers an excellent U-Tube expose' audio/video presentation of the French Defense over a multi-part series. I have found thiese lessons to be most informative. I highly recommed that everyone participating in this challenge review these lessons before going forward with this challenge. www.youtube.com
tennesseehiker 19-Jun-09, 02:50	Move 3. e3 This renders a closed game in which we have control of black's kingside. It also effectively traps the queenside bishop onto its first rank preventing connection of black's rooks for much of the game. Again, I urge you to view the U-Tube presentation mentioned in my post above.
doji 19-Jun-09, 04:56	Jim and kendo-ka Jim, 3.e3 is impossible, you probably mean 3.e5? I saw the interesting video, saw a little bit of it a while ago, but didn't have much time, now I saw it to the end (don't like his h3, to passive). It is a choice here we have to make.... I, personally like the more open variation, exchange the pawns (3.exd4), because it will get us (and black too) ready for beautiful combinations. 3.e5, is the more closed, positionally game. It is also very playable. The difference in my opinion is that a closed position leads to a draw, if no-one makes a mistake of course. The open game gives many possibility's and the chances of a draw are smaller, because one player has to make a plan and try to see through the plan of the other. If, however, you two insist on playing 3.e5, 3.e5 it will be! I will wait a few hours for a reaction, then I post the move, so fatcat2, a little patience and you will know the outcome. Jo
tennesseehiker 19-Jun-09, 05:27	Move 3 change to exd4 Sorry about that, Jo. 3. e5 is what I meant to type. (Posted too early in the morning, I suppose.) I will go along with your suggestion of exd4 as I don't want to end up in a draw. If you look at my profile, you will see that more than 5% of my 700+ games have ended in draws. This is partially because I have a soft spot for lower rated friends; however, a great number of my games actually conclude as draws.
doji 19-Jun-09, 05:42	Jim You don't have to change your opinion.... kendo-ka suggested also 3.e5... If I hear nothing from him within a few hours, 3.e5 it will be.
tennesseehiker 19-Jun-09, 05:59	Deleted by tennesseehiker on 04-Jul-09, 16:26.
tennesseehiker 19-Jun-09, 06:08	Deleted by tennesseehiker on 04-Jul-09, 16:27.
antagonistknight 19-Jun-09, 06:41	3. Nc3 or 3. e5 I prefer Nc3 the Paulsen variation at this juncture , but if someone else votes for 3. e5 that is an acceptable variation as well. 3. Nc3 preferred or 3.e5 acceptable
kendo-ka 19-Jun-09, 07:07	Draws There is nothing wrong with a draw if your in a losing game. I find it strange that people have an aversion to draws. Having less than 10% drawn games isn't really anything to worry about. If you don't like draws. But frankly if you want to be a great player perhaps you should consider why you aren't drawing more. I personally would take 20 or 30% more draws if I could and get rid of a lot of my lost games. I bet my rating would be a lot higher then.   If we are going to go by statistics then looking at gameknots database I'd say playing the Paulsen Nc3 or playing the Tarrasch Nd2 is our best bet. On this website the advanced and the exchange seem to have a bad habit of turning into a win for black. I find this strange though since the exchange seems to be a good opening for white according to my opening book. Since it seems the Paulsen is more likely to win a vote than the Tarrasch if its not too late I'd like to change my vote to the Paulsen. 3.Nc3
fatcat2 19-Jun-09, 07:54	You'd better count the votes... :-) ...I've already lost count!
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