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thegoodbishop 07-Sep-09, 10:17	Move to quickly? If your like me you tend to make your moves a bit to quickly before analizing other parts of the board or maybee just not spending quite enough time thinking about your moves. I've found a solution that works for me, which is a stop watch. I set the time for 5 minutes, or 10 or 2, and then do not make a move until the time is up. Sometimes I add more minutes. I have found it very useful. Dylan
aandersen 07-Sep-09, 10:44	An idea that might help What i do is to make a note every time I make a move in a game. The discipline of having to justify your moves, even if only to yourself may help you. These notes then become useful if you review your completed games.
doji 07-Sep-09, 12:12	I make notes too. What I also do is, that, when I think I found my move, not do that move, and get away from that move and check out other possibilities, because a move may seem good at a moment, and just after you submitted it, you sometimes see it was a bad one.
aandersen 07-Sep-09, 13:23	Totally Agree It is good to find two or even three moves then assess the relative merits of each one. A side benefit of the note taking is that it should also help you to cut out obvious blunders.
combinations 23-Oct-09, 19:26	I blitz I spend 5-10 seconds per move...no joke. As soon as my opponent moves, if I am online I blitz that bad boy until they log off or I win.
sonata296 23-Oct-09, 23:31	indeed i'm exactly the same as combinations, seriously i end every day with an average tme of 1 min.
tennesseehiker 24-Oct-09, 04:16	Rules of thumb I, too, am often guilty of moving much too quickly often resulting in blunders. Sometimes these blunders cost me the game. Here are some "rules of thumb" taught to me by a highly rated mentor. When I take the time to follow these rules, I always play my games better. They have enabled me to win games against opponents whose rating was as much as 400+ points above mine. 1. Mentally list which of your pieces or pawns are under attack and how. 2. Mentally list any pieces that are attacking the square into which I just moved my piece. 3. Mentally justify the purpose of my move. I started the above exercises by writing down the information to consider. I was later able to do so in my head.
ionadowman 11-Nov-09, 23:38	A further suggestion: ... transfer the current position to a chessboard and work it out on the board. Move the pieces around if necessary. The times I've butchered OK games on GK by 'forgetting' to do that ...
untateve 12-Nov-09, 03:24	When I was in the 1500 to early 1600s, my typical move time was about 1-3 hours. I was told by 2 2000+ players that I was moving too fast. I have slowed down to an average of 8-11 hours per move and I cannot tell you the number of times I've avoided blunders by doing so.
antagonistknight 12-Nov-09, 05:15	This is along the same lines as ionadowman. Use the analyse board feature to make moves on first, look at the outcome and taking the time to look at what your opponent is likely to do. You may then find a better move that combats what your expect your opponent to do. So many players look at "what can I do" to further my plan of attack (if they even have one), and do not take into account their opponent's moves just pressing forward with their own plan. Which is a big mistake, look at what your opponent is trying to do and make sure there is no immediate threat to deal with or to circumvent, then make your move.
untateve 12-Nov-09, 07:39	Following along with antagonistknight... I've been able to play both freddy (easy19) and Ion in several games. At one point, freddy had told me that when I use the analyze board, I should flip it. I did so a few times but didn't see any benefit. Then, I played a game with Ion where I made a tactical error, essentially costing me the game. After the game, Ion wrote this to me: "Another time you would probably have seen the fork at d5 (27.Qd5+) - and I'm betting had you the White pieces you certainly would have seen it, though you really had to see it at move 25, in order to duck with the King betimes (25.Kb1)." That comment really stuck with me. I started thinking that he was right--If I had had the white pieces, I bet I would have seen the fork. Now it finally made sense to me why I should flip the board. My method for making moves now goes generally like this: I look at candidate moves from my perspective and then pick what I think is the best one and put it in my game note. Then I leave the game. Later, I come back to it and review it again. Then I flip the board and take on my opponent's view. I actually pretend I'm the opponent and look for any means I can to refute the candidate move. If I can't find a way to refute it, the move is made. In complicated positions, I may do this several times. The number of blunders/tactical errors I've avoided/caught has increased as has my consistency. This method may not work for everyone but my rating has increased quite a bit since employing this strategy.
thegoodbishop 12-Nov-09, 23:34	flipping the board Its sounds like flipping the board works well, but I would suggest that it is probably a bad habit if you ever want to play real people. I have found, since going to the local chess club to play, that there are allot of things that work online that don't work in the flesh. I think that flipping the board is probably one such technique.
thegoodbishop 12-Nov-09, 23:37	Move making I like to go over my games as soon as they pop up, spend some time analyzing and make some notes about what I think is a good idea. Then I come back the next day, or a few days latter and look over it again. It is good because I recognize the position, and unless the move seems very obvious, or I'm feeling risky, I leave it until the last day of my move. This probably wouldn't keep my hunger for chess satisfied if i didn't play blitz on chesscube as well however. I love the notes though, I think they're a great way to keep track of plans and the like.
doji 13-Nov-09, 00:40	yes The notes are great. They help to remember plans, certainly when there are a few days between two moves. And it is true that there are features in GK that one can't use "in the flesh", like analyzing the board, you can't use that if you play a game "for real". In my opinion however, playing here on GK on line is not the same as playing in the flesh, when you play in the flesh, you are completely in the game, focused only on that. With on line chess, you live your life, make a move in a game and your mind is busy with other things afterwards, so it is a completely different kind of playing. Jo
untateve 13-Nov-09, 03:19	bishop... you are correct, I can't flip a board in a real game, but I can imagine doing so while sitting across from my opponent and take on his perspective. I think we'd both agree that I can't make a note about a move and come back a couple of days later to review my move in OTB chess. For me, it's best to think of correspondence chess and OTB chess as two similar but different entities. And not worry about one while enjoying the other.
thegoodbishop 13-Nov-09, 12:31	of board flipping and notes No, you can't make notes in a "real" game, because you don't need to, its not going to be five days before you can make your next move. Obviously we have a different take on chess, which is fine. I think it makes more sense to train yourself to see your opponents good moves from your perspective, although it may be more difficult initially, it is sure to stretch your brain. This is sure to help in either OTB or correspondence. I think that the playing of one should help improve the other, not lead to weakness.
untateve 13-Nov-09, 12:51	But my goodbishop, You note: "I like to go over my games as soon as they pop up, spend some time analyzing and make some notes about what I think is a good idea. Then I come back the next day, or a few days latter and look over it again. It is good because I recognize the position, and unless the move seems very obvious, or I'm feeling risky, I leave it until the last day of my move." This is clearly something you cannot do in OTB games. And I certainly cannot flip a board during an OTB match. However, I can train my eye/mind to view games from both perspectives through correspondence chess. Similarly, you can train yourself to see varying tactical patterns by allowing yourself several days to make a move. In the end, I think both habits serve to improve OTB chess. Sadly, I have little opportunity to play OTB chess so I cannot assert this belief with a certainty.
thegoodbishop 13-Nov-09, 14:25	Oh? Two points By flipping the board you are not "training your eye/mind" to view games from different perspectives, your are simply looking at a flipped board. Please explain to me where the mental growth or training as you contest is in this process? I would also say in response to "Sadly, I have little opportunity to play OTB chess so I cannot assert this belief with a certainty. " that, if this is true, you probably shouldn't.
thegoodbishop 13-Nov-09, 16:02	and one more thing I am not "your" goodbishop
untateve 13-Nov-09, 20:34	I think we'll just disagree on this point.
tonybelgium 21-Dec-09, 01:54	Deleted by tonybelgium on 21-Dec-09, 01:54.
tonybelgium 21-Dec-09, 01:55	Hi everyone ! In "real life chess", I don't play too fast at all. And I play much better. Here, on GameKnot, I play quite fast and have a "low" ranking. One reason I found is the database. It's just amazing, this database, but it can also be a trap. By using too much the database, I began playing like "a robot", like automatically. So, I decided to stop using the database, or a few times in a game, when I guess what opening to use. See you soon !
tonybelgium 21-Dec-09, 01:56	P.S. : Hope it will help you too.
easy19 21-Dec-09, 11:49	Note about flip board First how i do it myself. Well that is simple i use real chessboards and i am the spectator of my own games.. ( only the difficult games) - perhaps some off you have noticed that wen you watch a game being played by others that you see the things better and more clearly then the players playing. I call that intuitive visual memory response. your mind just come up with answers without you really having to think about it. how that works well your brain has learnt to fill in the missing data without you having to think of all the data. It also learnt to interpret and link the data to useful idea,s Your mind is always improving that sort of memory data links. but you are only using it very effective in a 3d environment. more brain works Only four to eight minutes of pure chess can be tolerated before the brain seeks other stimuli, either internal (e.g., daydreaming) or external (Who is that outside?). If there is no novelty, the brain will go elsewhere. Continuous presentation of facts or concepts in isolation or in a nonstop series of anecdotes will all have the same fatiguing effect — and the brain will not learn as much. Flipping the board - New visual input (using a other part of the brain ) - you force yourself to see what the opponents sees ( novelty ) - your move seen from a other perspective and what would your opponent play now ( creativity) this comes close to being a spectator of your own game .. once you are used to play like steve plays it becomes natural, and you are actually improving without really thinking. you learn your brain to think different and more effective.. hope i have made a good translation that is understandable.
easy19 21-Dec-09, 12:04	ow extra note you have at least 3 days a move.. you only need 5 min of time to make that 1 move. that means you have 3 days to find 5 min of time for that 1 move.. it is up to you to find the best 5 min of time in the given time... meaning use that time wen you really have the time.
easy19 21-Dec-09, 12:22	Deleted by easy19 on 21-Dec-09, 12:25.
easy19 21-Dec-09, 12:25	Olny srmat poelpe can raed this. Count every " F " in the following text: FINISHED FILES ARE THE RE SULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTI FIC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS... HOW MANY ?
easy19 21-Dec-09, 12:27	above and here some tricks to show you how the mind works Cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd what I was rdanieg. The Phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, It deosn't mttaer in what oredr the ltteers in a word are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is that the first and last ltteer be in the rghit pclae . The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it wouthit a porbelm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the word as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!
ionadowman 21-Dec-09, 13:00	Well, it is... ...Get a letter or two wrong in these jumbled words and they'd be really hard to read. Such is the power of the human mind, that one can read the above passge at close to the same speed as if were all arranged correctly. Amazing. Oh... and there are 4 'F's. Mind you, it look me a good half-minute to find the fourth I knew was in there somewhere! Cheers, Ion.
easy19 21-Dec-09, 13:30	well ion there are 6 F,s and you seeing 4 F,s the first time is already quit rare..
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