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artjones
26-Oct-11, 04:32

Green dots?
Is it just me or have you noticed: there are fewer and fewer green dots available for play?

When I first started looking for team matches the field was wide open, most teams had available players and there was no problem finding matches, some times for all of my available players at once. Now, I'm down to just finding matches for 2 players and having a difficult time. I came across one team with over 30 members and the only member available to play was the captain; with many of his/her team mates playing 0 games.

I understand player burn out but I am concerned about having this many.

Is any one else concerned?
sydneyapplebaum
26-Oct-11, 07:01

I think I've noticed it too. And I'm guilty of being part of that problem as I have been doling
out as many games as my players have in "max team games". I just reported the problem to
Site Support and included your text in the hopes that it will encourage them to act on a
suggestion I've made to them 3 times now. Perhaps if more captains who like the suggestion
could express that to Site Support, maybe they'll act on it. I have no clue as to how they
make their decisions though. Here's what I sent. Ray


Hi Support,

I submitted a suggestion at two different times as to how GK can make pairing more efficient
for team captains. The idea which I'll reiterate below does not appear to me to be a large
programming effort. It would really help as pairing is becoming more difficult with fewer
players available for team games. Here's what a captain just posted on the club captain
forum:

"Is it just me or have you noticed: there are fewer and fewer green dots available for play?

When I first started looking for team matches the field was wide open, most teams had
available players and there was no problem finding matches, some times for all of my
available players at once. Now, I'm down to just finding matches for 2 players and having a
difficult time. I came across one team with over 30 members and the only member available
to play was the captain; with many of his/her team mates playing 0 games.

I understand player burn out but I am concerned about having this many.

Is any one else concerned?"

The idea I expressed was to use the advanced player search. If there is a value in the "team
rating", then, on the search results screen, show the team name and a colored dot (or some
other indication) if the player has not reached the maximum team games.

If this were available, a captain could then open two windows, perform a search in each one,
and compare the search results to find a match on team and availability. The current time-
consuming alternative is to go through the team table looking for available players with
matching ratings.

Thank you. Ray
kingdawar
26-Oct-11, 18:13

I think it's because of the zero team game option. It's better because it prevents confusion around players turning out not to be available. And less green dots also may mean that a higher percentage of team players are paired to their full capacity, right?
maca
26-Oct-11, 23:37

I agree with kingdawar that less green dots is actually better for the team games system as a whole. And to add, I haven't seen much of a change in the availability of team players in general. Some teams have only very few players available, and others have a lot; some teams are those who challenge, and some rather wait to be challenged. That's perfectly ok, and I think I know where I am there.

If anything, the change I've observed is more with the challenge culture of the Team Captains. Nowadays, getting challenges, particularly multi-player ones has gotten tedious because Captains are becoming increasingly strict with their conditions for fair matches. I find myself spending more time and more looking for challenge opportunities that I believe both I and the opposing Captain would find acceptable.


Regards,
MaCa.
bevo_xiv
27-Oct-11, 10:01

Deleted by bevo_xiv on 27-Oct-11, 12:27.
a******8
27-Oct-11, 20:10

maca
Quoting you..."I agree with kingdawar that less green dots is actually better for the team games system as a whole."

I disagree with the implication that 'less green dots means it's better."

I just had a discussion with sydneyapplebaum (who is one many captains I admire at this site) about this same subject and I told him, "You can tell a healthy team from an unhealthy one just by looking at how many players on a team are willing to take on new games." (how many dots are shown on the screen).

When you have only one or two players willing to take on a new game then you are pushing your players too hard. I've watched this exact theme evolve over a period of years at both RHP and G/K and it's my opinion that the players who don't want to take on new games are losing interest. (See my previous post about 'Chess Burnout and how to avoid it.').

Even the Roman army would give their fighters a break and reward them after a victory before rushing them into yet another conquest.  

Cheers,
Don


sydneyapplebaum
28-Oct-11, 04:34

Response from GameKnot
Funny timing. I was thinking how simple it seemed to add the player's availability and team
names (or team number) to the advanced player search results. Then I realized that I don't
know anything about the programming or data involved. Maybe the data is not available and
would need to be extracted or maybe some limit is reached or there's some performance
consideration, etc. And then I got the message below from GK support.
It's not what I hoped for but at least it better explains what goes on and its not the usual
canned response: "Thank you for your suggestion, it will be passed on to our development
team for further consideration."

Hello, sydneyapplebaum,

There is a number of considerations that go into deciding what feature is
implemented next, and unfortunately it is not always as simple as it might seem due to
various inter-dependencies or other more pressing issues (for example, when we perform
internal optimization of the entire code base, absolutely all features are put on hold, no
matter how simple, because it is not possible to implement any new features until after the
optimization is completed). It is part of the reason why we are unable to comment on if, or
when, a particular feature might be implemented. We do have a very long to-do list, and we
are working on it as fast as we can.

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