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4boys
10-Aug-08, 17:29

Club Policies
A short time ago we had a problem because a deleted forum thread. The only threads that should be deleted are those that violate Gameknot policies. Personal opinions, even if they are not ours, should not be deleted. This club if for our members to freely express opinions, exchange ideas, and help others. This club will not censor those opinions or the manner in which they are phrased.

But please, be courteous, we do not walk in the other shoes.

I have talked to the moderators, and from now on all thread deletions will only occur when two moderators have conferred and agree that it needs to be deleted.

Please keep an eye on this thread if more policies become necessary.
bjorn-viking
23-Dec-10, 10:44

Deleted by bjorn-viking on 11-Jan-11, 07:50.
klingle
11-Jan-11, 04:56

tardy resignations
Hello Captains:

All of us have experienced players who timeout, or vacation, instead of resigning in a timely fashion. Block or Bleed has a policy that we will not tolerate our players doing that. We request all Captains to contact us if our team is guilty. I wonder if you have a similar policy?
grege79
11-Jan-11, 04:58

We don't have an official policy, but if anyone has an issue I am happy to look at it.
artjones
11-Jan-11, 10:28

Question for klingle:
What do you mean "...resigning in a timely fashion"?
klingle
31-Jan-11, 07:13

Tardy resignations
My most recent problem is an opponent who is a Q down, and has spent the last month
using all 3 days to move. He is now 1 move from mate, and still letting the clock run. In
this case I have no one to complain to since he is the team captain.
doji
31-Jan-11, 07:23

I saw the game
It is ennoying when you expierience that and GK says: stay calm, crush him on the board (what you are doing). It is his right to do so, but not sportive, that is true, not in this state of the game (there is an option that says: Resign (if I am not mistaking)).
What you can do about it.... in this game: nothing, but if I were you, I would remember his name in case of challenges in the future....

Anyway, I am sure you will dance around the table when you checkmate him!!
chrisobee
15-Dec-11, 15:55

In a hopeless position...
Resignation is the sporting thing to do, I know most players agree with this and have discussed it many times. I would never expect anyone on our team to simply delay the inevitable though weaker players might not always realise just how bad things are ! As with Klingle I would certainly look at any team game involving a team player and "ask" them to resign if I feel it appropriate. I hope it never comes to that.

Chris
dugite
15-Dec-11, 20:31

Different folks,different strokes...
It is annoying,yes!But I reserve the "right" if playing fast!!
4boys
18-Dec-11, 07:07

I take a long time to think. Always have. I have seen many hopeless positions won. I have seen many winning positions lost. A game is not lost until it is lost. It does not have much to do with rating either. I had a 2000+ rated player drop a queen. Everyone makes mistakes, there are just fewer of them as the rating goes up.

When I get into a losing position I take longer to think. I spend more time analyzing the next move. I am looking for an answer. I am not as anxious to play the position. The game is not as fun anymore. I procrastinate. I am drawn to the winning games. Whatever the reason, it takes me longer.

I had a captain opponent accuse me of taking too long on a losing position. Yes I was losing but did not believe it was lost. But I resigned. It really did not make that much of a difference, I moved on to other games and now avoid this player, and he avoids me.

But should you let it bother you? This is correspondence chess. You have time to make your moves. Your opponent has the same time to make moves. It is the rules we are controlled by. Your opponent is not governed by different rules. If it is a won game you will win it. Why focus on the person that will not move, focus on the games where it is your move. If you want to play fast then only play those matches are fast.

The only time it should make any difference at all are for those that are free GK members. And I always make those moves the fastest.

sad_but_true
19-Dec-11, 23:52

hear hear !!!!
i try to play as fast as i can. I'm the same as u, my losing games i do take longer to c if i can get outa the mess I'm in. i can take as much time as i need for me to be comfy. that's the beauty of the game & its rules. There r very few that do complain, but those who do .. well .. that game takes the longest. i dare so say to, that these ppl more often than not play there losing game right till the end , 1 move b4 u can checkmate them .. they resign. it used to bother me but now its just water off a ducks back .. lol
vsopwill
16-Feb-12, 13:00

I agree with Linda in that i think slow.... and with Jas ... somethings not at all. For example..what the heck are we talking about. .. Seriously. i have gotten complaints from other captains concerning my players taking to long to move in a lost game.. I do not get it. 3 days per move means 3 days per move. 5 days per move means 5 days. Now 7 days per moves is different and means i am waiting for my opponent to die before i make my next losing move. I hope i have helped. Will
edwinredo
18-Apr-12, 19:13

is chess a sport or art?
sport would reflect in your ratings
art reflects on the time you spend
wasting time is a persons right as an artist
time controls are set in stone for the sport
each one is being shorted
by not getting what they want
so what is chess then? a game?
if it is a game: then the people who will not resign, are sore losers and are bad for the gamesmanship that they display for the game
as for the gamesmanship of the player who feels " you are down, just resign" chess can change because it is a game
if you, just make moves with no meaning to them that is wasting time
just because you are up, dose not mean you win! the rule states checkmate your opponent not take all his/her pieces
so your one or the other in this game. a sore loser or you don't know how to be a winner
one way or another we all play this game and think we are an artist or treat it as a sport

the only thing a player wants is some respect for the game
why on Gods green Earth is this so hard to ask for?

this is my view on the subject.
vsopwill
19-Apr-12, 05:54

Ed i totally agree with you....about whatever it is you are talking about as i have no clue. 
sad_but_true
19-Apr-12, 06:17

Deleted by sad_but_true on 19-Apr-12, 06:20.
sad_but_true
19-Apr-12, 06:26

edwinredo
if i dont resign .. i really dont appreciate the fact that u class me as a sore loser and is bad for the gamesmanship that i display for the game & also that
im one or the other in this game. a sore loser or i don't know how to be a winner. what happens when ur opponant stuffs up which im sure u have b4 & lets me back in the game? what are we called then?
vsopwill
19-Apr-12, 06:58

Jas i do agree with you. I do not resign...ever. I take my time and never TO. Quitters never win.
Winners never quit. I have been in many a games where i ripped victory out of the jaws of
defeat. I do not consider players that fight to the end bad sportsmen. I admire and respect
them. Jas, Keep up the good fight. Will
king-nothing
19-Apr-12, 23:41

Playing out a losing position is not poor sportsmanship, it's a player taking an opportunity to
learn and possibly reverse things in their favor.

Currently I am playing a game against a 1650 player (inflated rating "earned" by playing only
lower rated players) who pounced on me at the beginning of the game. He moved every 5
minutes until I turned the tables on him and got the advantage... Now he moves at the very last
minute each time his clock dwindles down. No problem, as soon as the game ends he will be
blocked and he will not
get a rematch as it seems I will have already proven myself superior.

Although, should we not start a new thread about this subject?  
edwinredo
20-Apr-12, 00:19

my comment to "sad but true" + "vsopwill"
I'm no GM and none of as our, except a small group of players. we have no skills, let's be honest to our-self. we are all "sore losers" and "don't know how to be a winner". we think in one way or another that "we are artist" or "treat it (the game) as a sport"

I just want players to respect the game and stop being a dreamer.
let's be real!
and yes, vsopwill if my opponent is +400 points lower rated and I dropped a rook. I would fight to the end; a draw is better then a loss.

but there is a point where the game is hopeless and if you have no counter play and your position is crushed....what are you truly playing for and if you are taking your time to the max your clock out before making your more.....that is just insanity! to both players, to make a player wait just because you can. and the loser to drag the game around and remind him/her-self how much of a loser they really are as a chess player + to my point: when this is being played out, the time waster: is a poor representative to this game. showing no respect to them-self and your opponent.

if you are that ignorant about chess and don't know when to resign that is one thing and is understandable to new players to the game.
but come on. must players understand that if you are playing someone +400 to 800 points higher then you. you are either trying to learn something and that is why you are still playing on. but you are just getting that player upset, because you are wasting the players time.
must high rated players, will go over the game with you, that you have just played, if you just respected the game and resign. you see, you will learn more, from the advice, then just keep on playing a hopeless game out. why, because you did not waste the higher rated players time. and that would make him glad to go over it, if not, he is the one who is being dis-respectful to the game.

+ to all you time wasters: if, you do win the game, that you are losing big time. just because he got bored of the game and let his time run out. who is the true winner of that game? is it the rating points decide the winner... it is the team that wins, it needs the point, way to go team, that's the way to win one for the team....what pride you must have, being the greatest team with the greatest chess player on Earth on it!

how hard is it to respect everyone you play and not waste time, when it is not needed.

also not to think of your-self as the greatest chess player on Earth, even thou must chess players will waste time, hoping their opponent will blunder. this is a game, treat it as one and you might learn something! play as if your opponent, will make the best move and your game will get better.

and maybe. just maybe....someday, we can be less sore losers and and be a little bit better, at being a winner.

edwinredo
mrmarmalade
20-Apr-12, 07:20

Deleted by mrmarmalade on 01-Jul-12, 15:29.
vsopwill
20-Apr-12, 16:17

OK Ed. you lost me intellectually and artistically in your first sentence as i have not idea what
this means... "I'm no GM and none of as our" I figured the rest was as intelligent and i decided
to pass. Now, for you Jack. We are still looking for our women after the last match. However the
one you stole away with...Brandy...is really...Bobby   Still we grew fond of him as you probably
have and we would still like him back. Thank you. Will
sad_but_true
21-Apr-12, 01:39

same here
edwinredo u lost me after the 1st sentence aswel. what i will say is i dont drag games out. if im in a pickle i will take my time, if im behind in material i will take my time. this being so i can if i can get myself out of a mess i might b in. I DONT WAIT till the last minute to make a move , i do believe that is disrepectful. me being rated around 1400 , i believe i can learn alot from the end game from other players. u being 1800 probly dont see it that way.

this comment shiits me to tears thou .. "let's be honest to our-self. we are all "sore losers" and "don't know how to be a winner".

what does that mean?

i can tell u right now i aint a sore loser .. I dont really like losing, but i can accept it, hopefully learn from it. i always give a positive comment to my opponent when i resign. is ur last comment directed @ the general public or r u on the war path with a seleted few?
sad_but_true
21-Apr-12, 03:39

Should have i resigned this game?
Should have i resigned this game? i was 9 pionts down on material .. but then tried to play for a mistake ... all u 1800 players .. would u have resigned because u were down in material? im just trying to get a grasp on the mentalality of a higher rated player
i-caveman
21-Apr-12, 08:31

help me link a game
can anybody tell me how i can paste a link to a past game here.the game i want to link to was
played over a year ago. i was well down in material (-17) and it was a hopeless case...or was it?
if i can get the link you can judge for yourselves....
sydneyapplebaum
21-Apr-12, 08:55

@help me link a game
haven't tried it but seems like gm=board-number should work.

The following special codes are supported:
user-name — link to a player's profile page; for example: doggy3
gm=board-number — link to a game; for example: game (the board number is shown in the title bar of
the game's page)
fen="FEN-notation" — display chess diagram (quotation marks are required); for example:

pz=puzzle-number — link to a puzzle; for example: puzzle #2090
tc=tactics-number — link to a tactical exercise; for example: tactics #17364
sad_but_true
21-Apr-12, 16:39

heres my game i was talking about
game

all i do to post the link is, get the game board up i want to show, then copy and paste the address from above
vsopwill
21-Apr-12, 17:40

Great example Jas. I enjoyed the game. I still want to see the -17 point game. Bobby were you
able to get how to do it. If you can not let me know and i will show you or post it for you.
klingle
22-Apr-12, 05:06

sad_but_true game.
Resignation was not too soon here because Black mates in a few moves.
The game I cited that originally started this conversation was Q+p's vs p's and mate in 1.
However, it seems my peers do not generally agree that a team policy regarding these
situations would be appropriate, and I accept that. Block or Bleed will rescind our policy
as relates to this matter, but I will still encourage my mates to avoid "beating dead horses",
and move on to the next game.
At least this issue inspired a lively debate.
Thanks for everyone's input.
i-caveman
23-Apr-12, 15:30

Thanks Ray for your help.
This is the game.
game

Did i show bad sportsmanship by not resigning in a losing battle?
(half a loaf is better than no bread.)
mistakes can happen and i have made my own share.
sydneyapplebaum
23-Apr-12, 18:45

You're welcome Bobby.
Imo, I don't think it shows bad sportsmanship to play until you get checkmated if you think there is a 'reasonable'
chance of winning or drawing (I'm not talking about timeout wins). In Jas's game, it made sense for him to
continue. If I were in Jas's position against an opponent who was rated 1800, however, I would have resigned
after black's 9th move. Someone who was 2200 may have felt there was still a reasonable chance of winning or
drawing and it would make sense for him to play on.
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