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elenapetrova 15-Jun-12, 22:54	cheaters hello everybody, I'm very happy to be part of this club,and I want thank johnclark for accepting me. I'm not clever with chess,but I like playing it. I hope somebody has an aswer to this question:what can we do against cheaters? And also I wish to understand how they can be happy winning by cheating?
rooklet 16-Jun-12, 02:14	I've run into a potential cheater also Are you sure they were cheating? If you are, I'd contact GK and make your case. I recently played someone whose record was around 50 wins, 0 losses and 0 draws and not a single move of hers was judged (in games that had been submitted for computer analysis) to be inaccurate or a mistake. Oddly enough, she warns other players not to cheat on her profile page. I can't prove she's cheating and just resolved to never play against her again (at least not until she records a draw or a loss.) I think most people on here don't cheat, but perhaps players who do gain some sort of ego boost by having a high rating or good win/loss ratio, though I can't say or understand why.
elenapetrova 16-Jun-12, 02:19	thanks rooklet for your answer.I didn't met any cheater until now(or I hope so),but a friend of mine had.
rooklet 16-Jun-12, 02:29	No problem The problem is proving they are cheating. I think a player who has a record of 53-0-0 and who plays against high-rated opponents and whose moves have never been questioned by GK's computer (on a handful of games she or her opponent submitted for analysis) is potentially cheating by using computer assistance during games, but I, myself, wouldn't contact GK about her unless I had run some of her other games through a chess program to see if all her moves matched those recommended by the chess program. Not only do I not have the knowledge or software to do that, I also lack the time and interest. I just resolved to not play her again and let a sleeping dog lie. Your friend may have more computer knowledge and gumption than I do, though.
brigadecommander 16-Jun-12, 03:09	malum quo communius eo peius i have not met any women that use computers to play but i have met about 15+men that do!! There is nothing that can be done about it save to never play them again. But its a growing problem on gameknot.
pennsylvaniadan 16-Jun-12, 05:17	Cheaters I wish I was good enough for someone to feel they had to use a search engine to beat me. It would be a compliment. Alas, I don't think that's ever going to happen. lol When I first came to Gameknot, I won 33 games in a row because I started at a 1200 rating. I guess it's possible for a really good player to run off a lot of wins before they run into equal competitors if they are a 2000+ rated player. Anyway, anyone checking my record on Gameknot, could only come to one conclusion----I am not a cheater----lol
rooklet 16-Jun-12, 12:27	Same here:) I ran off 38 wins when I first came on GK but that was because I could only challenge lower-rated players at first. When I was able to challenge higher-rated players, that win streak came to a rapid end lol
rooklet 16-Jun-12, 12:31	Cheating knows no gender. I don't know that the woman I referenced was cheating, which is why I said she was a potential cheater. When you go 53-0-0 and are playing high-rated players and GK never labels a move as inaccurate in eight or so games analyzed by the GK computer, it's natural to be suspicious. Maybe she's just good. Who knows? Ditto for the 15+ men; unless they admitted to cheating, the only real way to know is to compare their moves to a chess engine. If they match up in all (or nearly all) instances, a conclusion may be able to be reached. Cheating on GK is pretty lame. Anyone who needs to boost their ego by cheating on a chess website has more problems than cheating lol
pennsylvaniadan 16-Jun-12, 12:39	Before the advent of on-line chess, I used to play against a computer that had 20 different levels. It beat me all the time, especially if I got above level 3. It didn't bother me a bit---lol
rooklet 16-Jun-12, 14:39	Computers have reached the point where they're better than humans at playing chess, but they haven't "solved" chess the way they've solved checkers (found a forced win for white from move one, regardless of what the player with the black pieces does.) I read somewhere that there are more possible chess games than there are atoms in the universe, which seems like hyperbole, but the guy who came to that conclusion was a professional mathematician. If that statement's true, computers will probably never solve chess and we can continue enjoying this most complex of all games forever. Would be curious what the Latin heading on brigadecommander's post means in English, but I don't even know if it's Latin lol
isomorphism 16-Jun-12, 14:43	Cheating is very hard to prove and vice versa(Not cheating is also hard to prove!!). Engines do not always agree on the moves and so you may think that somebody is not cheating because their moves are not compatible with what your engine suggests while they may be actually cheating by using a different engine. Also relying on the fact that GK engine does not spot mistakes or inaccuracies in your opponent's games is also not enough. Although I anticipate my current rating to be 1700+ I have a couple of games where GK engine did not spot any mistakes. This does not mean I'm a super GM nor I did actually cheat. Simply it means I exploited my opponent's obvious mistakes in a straightforward way. My strategy is just to enjoy the game, learn something from it, make new friends and I never pay attention to those who may be potentially using engines. Another possible strategy (which I actually do not like but some may find it effective) is that if you really have a strong evidence (+feeling) that your opponent is using an engine, then give them very hard time by pushing the game to 100+ moves by waiting till the checkmate and use all the time possible in your clock. To me this strategy adds nothing to your chess career!
rooklet 16-Jun-12, 14:57	Latin translation The more common an evil, the worse it is Magister dixit Magister = Google lol
backblast72 12-Oct-12, 21:43	Honor In my humble opinion a victory which is achieve my any other means; other than honest and truthful play than it's dishonest and sad. You are not improving your game play or that of your opponent, for he / she are not really playing you. A victory however which is earned out of truthful and honest play, benefits both the victor and the Challenger's defeated. For even in defeat you can find victory and truth.

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