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damalfi 04-Nov-11, 13:46	Kh8 if Qh6, we exchange and ok. If Rg3, Qf7. Now, Qh6 is not very dangerous, after Rg8. (Or even Rh5, since it is defended by our queen, then if Rg7. QxR, QxRh5, and Rg8, pointing to g2). So this is my vote.
dmaestro 04-Nov-11, 18:25	I will support Kh8. White may want to reply first b4, which locks down the c pawn, then maneuver to double rooks on the h-file. I am not optimistic but will help play this out.
easy19 05-Nov-11, 01:38	Club it is your move game 12. O-O Bg7 13. Bf4 O-O 14. Rfc1 Qd5 15. Qe3 f6 16. h4 Bb7 17. Rc5 Qd7 18. Bh6 Bxh6 19. Qxh6 Rad8 20. Re1 Rfe8 21. h5 Qg7 22. Qe3 gxh5 23. Rxh5 Rd5 24. Rh3 Kh8 25. b3
dmaestro 05-Nov-11, 07:14	Bc8 Frees the rook from defense of e pawn.
bigpeta 06-Nov-11, 10:11	i agree Bc8
alex388 06-Nov-11, 10:49	Bc8 I feel we are getting too passive. =/ ps: hi, i'm new here
bigpeta 06-Nov-11, 12:06	hi alex and welcome if you want adventurouis then look at a5 to prevent whites pawns advancing on that side
damalfi 06-Nov-11, 15:43	Wait... Bc8 seems a logic plan. I regret we won't keep the covered threat on g2. Of course we cannot go c5 right now, since the Knight on f3 is defended by the rook. Anyway, let's give a deep look before we give up this value.
easy19 06-Nov-11, 23:11	Club it is your move game < is here 13. Bf4 O-O 14. Rfc1 Qd5 15. Qe3 f6 16. h4 Bb7 17. Rc5 Qd7 18. Bh6 Bxh6 19. Qxh6 Rad8 20. Re1 Rfe8 21. h5 Qg7 22. Qe3 gxh5 23. Rxh5 Rd5 24. Rh3 Kh8 25. b3 Bc8 26. Rg3
bigpeta 07-Nov-11, 12:43	Qf8 gives our Q the room via the f8 a3 diagonal to swing to the other side if needed to create a little mayhem. alex is that attacking enough for you
alex388 07-Nov-11, 14:07	Deleted by alex388 on 07-Nov-11, 14:08.
alex388 07-Nov-11, 14:20	Qf8 or Qc7 seems to be our possibilities. Both have some defects.. Qf8 unprotect h7 and the 7° row. Also private the rook and itself from many moves, but it does protect Qh6 and also have a sort of possible attack on the diagonal as Bigpeta said. Qc7 unprotect Qh6, and it may make possible an attack against the 8°row (in e8), but it gaves more freedom to the queen and to the rook, and it does protects h7 and that row. Seems to be a little bit more active, and also a more dangerous.. I would play Qf8 as bigpeta. (Qh6 seems to be too much for Qc7..)
easy19 10-Nov-11, 00:07	Club it is your move game < is here 15. Qe3 f6 16. h4 Bb7 17. Rc5 Qd7 18. Bh6 Bxh6 19. Qxh6 Rad8 20. Re1 Rfe8 21. h5 Qg7 22. Qe3 gxh5 23. Rxh5 Rd5 24. Rh3 Kh8 25. b3 Bc8 26. Rg3 Qf8 27. Rc1
bigpeta 10-Nov-11, 06:47	Bd7 Bd7 protects the 2 pawns at c6 and e6 allowing the Rs to move on to better things eg Rh5 would make a nice threat down to whites K. also the R & Q on the back rank would have more room to manoeuvre
alex388 10-Nov-11, 07:59	Agree, Bd7 I would probably play Rc8 after, if white allows.
dmaestro 14-Nov-11, 19:13	Agree bd7 as planned
easy19 14-Nov-11, 23:21	Club it is your move game < is here 15. Qe3 f6 16. h4 Bb7 17. Rc5 Qd7 18. Bh6 Bxh6 19. Qxh6 Rad8 20. Re1 Rfe8 21. h5 Qg7 22. Qe3 gxh5 23. Rxh5 Rd5 24. Rh3 Kh8 25. b3 Bc8 26. Rg3 Qf8 27. Rc1 Bd7 28. Rc4 i forgot to post bf,s move so only 10 hours to make this one
alex388 15-Nov-11, 04:49	Possibilities? Some possibilities (without an especific order): a) a5: the idea is to push c5 b) Rc8: same as the other one c) Rh5: mentioned I like Rc8 or Rh5 (count my vote for either one of them)
bigpeta 15-Nov-11, 09:59	Rh5 i would go with Rh5 and start some threats of our own instead of just defending
nunoasc 17-Nov-11, 11:43	May I join the game? I've got a crazy idea...
alex388 17-Nov-11, 12:59	Club's Move Sorry, but i see battlefleet has already played: game 16. h4 Bb7 17. Rc5 Qd7 18. Bh6 Bxh6 19. Qxh6 Rad8 20. Re1 Rfe8 21. h5 Qg7 22. Qe3 gxh5 23. Rxh5 Rd5 24. Rh3 Kh8 25. b3 Bc8 26. Rg3 Qf8 27. Rc1 Bd7 28. Rc4 Rc8 29. Rc5
l-d-j 17-Nov-11, 13:11	@nunoasc You can always join!
alex388 17-Nov-11, 17:03	what left? at least i feel terrible in this position. Whites have managed to stop almost all black plans/moves, and have "free" play.. too passive. Rb8 fails -> Rxd5, "c" or "e" xd5, Ne5 and we can't take it because of Qxe5+ (and mate in one). i don't have ideas.. seems that we should play again Re8 because of that trick to defend.. T_T
bigpeta 18-Nov-11, 01:00	why Rc8 why did we play Rc8 when there were 2 votes for Rh5?
dmaestro 18-Nov-11, 05:06	Perhaps, but ...Rh5 Rc5 and then what? The position has favored white for some time. Our pawns are more divided and weak, our king is more exposed, and our bishop is bad. White will win in part because only the most patient defense might draw and black has no winning chances unless there is a huge blunder. ...Re8 seems best now.
alex388 18-Nov-11, 05:16	Main plan? Draw? I think we should play for draw.. try to simplify the position, exchanging some pieces and try to draw the game. Somehow we should try to exchange our Rc8 for the Rg3, and let him take our Rd5 and we take back with c pawn, so we could have chances in a pawn final.
easy19 18-Nov-11, 10:31	Club it is your move Peta your post after alex was just after i made the move. there where 2 moves mentiont so i picked the most logical of the 2 moves. And i was late again, got a hole lot of work lately so it is hard to keep with al the things i do. game < is here 20. Re1 Rfe8 21. h5 Qg7 22. Qe3 gxh5 23. Rxh5 Rd5 24. Rh3 Kh8 25. b3 Bc8 26. Rg3 Qf8 27. Rc1 Bd7 28. Rc4 Rc8 29. Rc5 Re8 30. b4
bigpeta 18-Nov-11, 10:42	im out sorry guys but after that last fiasco i wont be wasting any more of my valuable time on this game. i am disabled with chronic fatigue and energy and concentration are limited. i spent several hours on that last move only to have it screwed up by a losing move.
marvin2 18-Nov-11, 13:33	Hi, club! I wasn't following this game but never is late! Just thinking in a way to improve the position (assuming certain moves for white, of course): 30. b4 Rxc5 31. dxc5 Rb8 32. a3 a5 33. bxa5 Rb5 And the pawn could be recovered in what seems to be a better position. And if white takes with the b pawn: 30. b4 Rxc5 31. bxc5 Rb8 The rook has better position anyway. May this ideas help?
damalfi 19-Nov-11, 21:34	Re7 I think we should not take the rook. Any take by white frees our lsb. Even if it is anly defending, and removing one of our 6 pawns can be a good thing if the endgame is reached. The obvious threat by white lies on the control it has of the g column. So we have to fight to stop that control, and the only way I see is trying to exchange our 8 rook with the g3 one. The move I suggest has that plan behind it. If white goes RxR, cxd5 (and not exd5), if Ne5, cxN, Qxe5, Rg7, RxR, QxR, Qb8+, Qg8, Qxa7, Qg5, and white cannot take QxB because of the perpetual check we can give white. Note that despite the bishop, we will have to struggle to exchange it for the two white pawns... and I am not sure we can. Of course white doesn't have to go for the sacrifice. After RxR, cxRd5, White has to taking into account Rg7 by black, forcing the exchange RxR, KxR!, and white has to lose a tempo defending b4, so he may well do it now. Say: a3, Rg7. RxR, KxR, and everything seems to hold. A better white`s option is to answer to Re7, b5, with the idea: cxb5. RxR, exRd5, and our pawns are all scattered. ...but we can go: b4, RxR. dxR, c6xb4, and our position improves considerabily. Other white's options doesn't seem to give him more, but maybe I am wrong.
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