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bigpeta 10-Aug-12, 22:04	Vote game continuation 2 the last thread was about to hit the 300 limit. I will post the updated position here
bigpeta 11-Aug-12, 08:11	move 70 I hope by now you are realising that unless you create a stalemate position then the order of moves are really immaterial. there is only one move difference leading to mate in any of the moves. Latest Board position Option A Latest moves Option A 60.Kf2 Kg4 61.Ke3 Kxh5 62.Kf4 Kg6 63.Kg3 Kg5 64.Kf3 h5 65.Ke2 Kg4 66.Kf2 f4 67.Kg1 Kg3 68.Kf1 Kf3 69.Kg1 ke2 70.Kh2 ======================================= Latest Board position Option B Latest moves Option B 60.Kf2 Kg4 61.Ke3 Kxh5 62.Kf4 Kg6 63.Kg3 Kg5 64.Kf3 h5 65.Ke2 Kg4 66.Kf2 h4 67.Kf1 Kf3 68.Kg1 Ke2 69.Kg2 f4 70.Kh3 ==================================== Latest Board position Option C Latest moves Option C 60.Kf2 Kg4 61.Ke3 Kxh5 62.Kf4 Kg6 63.Kg3 Kg5 64.Kf3 h5 65.Ke2 Kg4 66.Kf2 Kf4 67.Kg1 Kg3 68.Kh1 Kf2 69.Kh2 f4 70.Kh3
hogfysshe 11-Aug-12, 08:51	70. ...f3 for A 70. ...f3 for B 70. ...f3 for C
bhidragon 11-Aug-12, 18:38	f3 ... it's for me! I agree ... f3 in all positions. I'll go back to my philosophy of some days ago. If you have unstoppable play to get a Queen back on the board in a K+Q v. K type of position (assuming it doesn't result in stalemate) then you should abandon any attempt to get a second Queen. It just doesn't matter. Get the Queen you know you can get and win the game. Will a second Queen be nice ... maybe. But I really think that a second Queen in these positions may actually inadvertently increase the chance of stalemate. Everyone knows how to mate with King and Queen. Get the Queen and do so. Dragon
bigpeta 12-Aug-12, 12:00	Move 71 I think we can safely say that there is nothing more to be learned from these positions. So is everyone happy that they know how to mate with K & Q vs K? If not say so and i will put up a short annotation showing the general ideas. Now there was a suggestion some moves back that we return the game to move 46.Qc5 (which was the losing move for white) and that i play white against the group starting with the correct move of 46.Qc1. If there is general agreement on this then i will set it up. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now there is nothing to stop the f-pawn Queening and all chances of stalemate are gone so i think this is a good place to stop. Latest Board position Option A Latest moves Option A 60.Kf2 Kg4 61.Ke3 Kxh5 62.Kf4 Kg6 63.Kg3 Kg5 64.Kf3 h5 65.Ke2 Kg4 66.Kf2 f4 67.Kg1 Kg3 68.Kf1 Kf3 69.Kg1 ke2 70.Kh2 f3 71.Kg3 ======================================= Latest Board position Option B Latest moves Option B 60.Kf2 Kg4 61.Ke3 Kxh5 62.Kf4 Kg6 63.Kg3 Kg5 64.Kf3 h5 65.Ke2 Kg4 66.Kf2 h4 67.Kf1 Kf3 68.Kg1 Ke2 69.Kg2 f4 70.Kh3 f3 71.Kxh4 ==================================== Latest Board position Option C Latest moves Option C 60.Kf2 Kg4 61.Ke3 Kxh5 62.Kf4 Kg6 63.Kg3 Kg5 64.Kf3 h5 65.Ke2 Kg4 66.Kf2 Kf4 67.Kg1 Kg3 68.Kh1 Kf2 69.Kh2 f4 70.Kh3 f3 71.Kh4
bhidragon 12-Aug-12, 12:29	Thanks for the End-Games Team & Pete, Thanks for playing out the endings. Lots of good discussion and hopefully a good learning experience. Joe
the-sigularity 12-Aug-12, 20:51	When will we start a new one? If we do start a new game with another master, I hope we can all participate in the next one. It seemed the last one went somewhat slow due to slow member response.
hogfysshe 13-Aug-12, 03:58	or continue... Pete wrote, 12 Aug 12: <<<Now there was a suggestion some moves back that we return the game to move 46.Qc5 (which was the losing move for white) and that i play white against the group starting with the correct move of 46.Qc1. If there is general agreement on this then i will set it up. >>> thanks for the offer, Pete. I'll go along with the majority. would be equally happy moving on or going back. ...though perhaps if we move away from that game it will stir up more interest among other club members.
the-sigularity 13-Aug-12, 06:59	In agreement I totally agree with Todd, if we continue with the same old game I think it may not be of interest to most players. However, if you think that perhaps white may have a lot of new and instructive matter from that point on, and we get at least 3 more members to decide on that option, then by all means, lets go with it.
bhidragon 13-Aug-12, 16:30	Move On I think the ending plays itself from here. Best to start a new game. Joe
the-sigularity 13-Aug-12, 18:33	Deleted by the-sigularity on 13-Aug-12, 18:34.
bigpeta 14-Aug-12, 13:19	Setting up a new game I will try to find another opponent for you. I have a few ideas in mind but it may take a little while. In the meantime I want you all to be sure you are confident in the standard endgame mates. Below I have posted the start positions for them in ascending order of difficulty. If you have any doubts or queries then post them here. Also please post when you have successfully completed them. As usual you can get the analysis board by clicking on each diagram. 1:- R & R & K vs K. 2:- Q & K vs K 3:- R & K vs K 4:- B & B & K vs K
the-sigularity 14-Aug-12, 16:36	Boards 123&4 1:- R & R & K vs K.RA3-A5 2:- Q & K vs K Q-d4 3:- R & K vs K K-e4 4:- B & B & K vs K K-f4

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