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bigpeta 08-Feb-12, 01:30	move 9 a quiet 0-0 from white Latest Board position game Moves thus far 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 dxc4 5.Qa4+ Bd7 6.Qxc4 Bc6 7.Bg2 Bd6 8.Nc3 Nbd7 9.0-0
zed2 08-Feb-12, 02:47	0-0 And perhaps a quiet 0-0 from us now?
bigpeta 11-Feb-12, 11:11	only one move suggested so i will play 0-0 for us
bigpeta 12-Feb-12, 04:49	Move 10 Latest Board position game Moves thus far 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 dxc4 5.Qa4+ Bd7 6.Qxc4 Bc6 7.Bg2 Bd6 8.Nc3 Nbd7 9.0-0 0-0 10.Re1
kepplersteve 12-Feb-12, 09:20	h6 I had thought Nb6 forcing Q to retreat but that would put him on a row to take a7
zed2 12-Feb-12, 11:44	a5 What about a7 to a5 which gives us control of b4 and gives our rook a line up a file. Ne4 is also an option which is a bit daring....maybe too much for now LOL....I also like h6 which protects g5 from encroachment from their B or N. But throwing a7 in for thought.
cuilin 12-Feb-12, 12:43	Hint: Perhaps you can guess what White is up to? Is it dangerous for us? Do we want to permit it or is there a possibility to cross his plans?
zed2 12-Feb-12, 13:29	The e file? perhaps Re8 as it makes sense to aim their forces at our King side?
cuilin 13-Feb-12, 08:52	Not quite wrong The e-file has in fact to do with what I hinted at. So what could be the intent of White's last move? Let's define that before we make move suggestions for ourselves. Please forgive me for being blunt, but right at the moment your suggestions seem to be a bit like: "I don't know what to do here, let's just suggest some move." I think that we have come out of the opening at a slight disadvantage, or put differently, White definitely has the initiative. If you want to play on successfully in such a situation, it is imperative you develop a feeling for the opponent's possibilities so as to counter them in time. In this particular position, I think we lack the time to move according to our own wishes for activity, but we must react to what White is going to throw at us - the sooner the better.
zed2 13-Feb-12, 14:11	Ne4 What about Ne4 which was one of my original thoughts?
zed2 13-Feb-12, 14:49	From David Crompton The club game looks interesting. I would have gone along with h6 to prevent Bg5, or, as you say Ng5, or Nb6 threatening the queen. I'm not sure what is meant by the comment to the effect that a7 will be threatened, as our rook is protecting it, unless moving that rook was in mind. Did you mean Re1 was the threat, not Re8? I have only had a perfunctory look and cannot see what cuilin means. I shall have another look. Thank you, cuilin! In my earlier days, I read chess books, which showed symbols indicating a strong or slight advantage to one side, but I could not tell! Why does white have the advantage here, cuilin?
kepplersteve 14-Feb-12, 19:38	Joanne I'm getting my a and h's mixed up. I meant Q would threaten h7 if we moved Nb6 . I've got to stop staying up late and trying to play chess. I also feel that we've got to try and figure out what White is intending.
bigpeta 15-Feb-12, 02:21	time is up on this move I am going with joanna's suggestion of Ne4 which blocks the e-file and prevents e4 then e5 attacking N & B remember folks we only have 5 days to decide on a move so get in quickly when i post a move.
bigpeta 15-Feb-12, 06:19	move 11 Latest Board position game Moves thus far 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 dxc4 5.Qa4+ Bd7 6.Qxc4 Bc6 7.Bg2 Bd6 8.Nc3 Nbd7 9.0-0 0-0 10.Re1 Ne4 11.Nxe4
bigpeta 15-Feb-12, 06:36	whites last move 11. Nxe4 was it a good move or not? Would you have played the same? If it was not a good move then what can we do to take advantage?
twick 15-Feb-12, 09:04	Take back N I would take N (Bxe4), but that's just the obvious easy move ...
kepplersteve 18-Feb-12, 09:12	Bxe4 By taking his knight we prevent his Q from going to d3 or c2
bigpeta 18-Feb-12, 10:23	But neither of you answered my question!!
twick 19-Feb-12, 04:33	Nxe4 was it a good move or not? Weakens his grip on centre, so not a good swap. We now have two powerful B, on strong diagonals.
zed2 20-Feb-12, 11:50	Bxe4 I must be showing my age I did a whole study on this yesterday and thought I had posted my thoughts.....Um....I must have forgotten to press 'post' twice! Oh well, here goes again. In response to your questions Pete...would white have been better to move Nf3 to e5? Threatening his Q and forcing Bxe5 then dxe5 giving us a pawn on e file again.
kepplersteve 20-Feb-12, 17:25	Nxe4 was a good move. Puts us in line for Bg5 threatening our Q If we don't take his N he gets a free N. Jo I've done that myself, I've even made moves my accident.
zed2 20-Feb-12, 18:12	@Steve I did a whole series of blunders a week ago, one of which was an accidental move! I actually was seriously thinking of giving up completely on chess! Nice to know I am not Robinson Crusoe!
bigpeta 21-Feb-12, 03:26	11. Nxe4 was not the best move for white. i think both of you has confused which side you are playing on in your explanations. Jo 11.Ne5 leads to lots of exchanges which if i followed it far enough would give us and edge. The best move for white was 11. Qd3 attacking the N and putting his Q on the long diagonal to our K
bigpeta 21-Feb-12, 03:31	Move 12 Latest Board position game Moves thus far 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 dxc4 5.Qa4+ Bd7 6.Qxc4 Bc6 7.Bg2 Bd6 8.Nc3 Nbd7 9.0-0 0-0 10.Re1 Ne4 11.Nxe4 Bxe4 12.Ng5
twick 21-Feb-12, 05:34	Sacrifice or Suicide ? 12. Ng5 b5 13. Qxb5 Rb8 14. Qc4 Rb4 15. Qc3 Bxg2 16. Kxg2 Nb6 17. a3 Rc4 18. Qd3 g6 19. b3 Rxc1 20. Raxc1 Qxg5 21. b4 Nd5 22. e3
bigpeta 21-Feb-12, 06:44	suicide 14. Qa6 not Qc4 and then how do you protect the a & c pawns. try not to look so far ahead when your line relies on your opponents unknown responses
zed2 21-Feb-12, 13:27	Nb6 Nb6 threatening his Queen and developing our N?
twick 22-Feb-12, 05:41	Nb6 Chase Q away. Seems the easy answer, + keeping an eye on his N threatening our B (& pawns).
cuilin 22-Feb-12, 07:59	Obvious moves first It strikes me that actually noone has suggested 12...Bxg2 yet, which imho should be the obvious move that springs to mind. No matter if we chase the queen or not, we will have to adress the problem of the attacked bishop sooner or later, and I think we agree that exchanging it for its counterpart is at least a viable option, if not the only one. So for the easiness of further calculation I'd suggest making the obvious move first and only then wonder what to do with the knight.
cuilin 22-Feb-12, 08:11	That said, I don't like ...Nb6 at all. On the good side, you seem to be aware that the white queen can become short of sensible squares, so checking forced variations trying to either trap or misplace it before automatically exchanging bishops on g2. However, once we have found out it doesn't work like we want it to, we should return to other "obvious" moves, e.g. checks and captures. The drawback with 12...Nb6 is that while forcing the white queen to move, we also put our knight on a square where it isn't doing much, compared to d7 where it supports the thematic breaks c7-c5 or e6-e5 or from where it can hop to f6 to defend the kingside. So the time gained on the queen is likely to be lost again (probably with interest) when we have to reroute the knight.
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