Chess Puzzle #3328

CHESS PUZZLE, FEN r1k2bR1/2Pq1p1p/1P1p4/2N2n2/4N1B1/8/5PPP/5RK1 w - -

Added by:	rockhawkamn10
Added on:	22-Mar-08
Description:
Difficulty:	chess puzzle r1k2bR1/2Pq1p1p/1P1p4/2N2n2/4N1B1/8/5PPP/5RK1 w - -
Attempts:	2008
Solved:	1948 (97%)


White to move, mate in 2

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soup17235
09-Nov-11, 03:30

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how many solutions?

too many two move solutions

fezzik
09-Nov-11, 07:07

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Two many

I agree completely, soup. I've discovered that if we point out flaws in the puzzles, others will say that we expect too much, that we aren't appreciating the artistry or effort of the puzzle-makers, and so on.

Puzzles are a pretty straight-forward art form: There should be only one solution (it can have many branches), and they should be White to move unless they're quoted from a game or it's a specialised puzzle (such as helpmate, which isn't supported on this site to the best of my knowledge). There are thousands upon thousands of excellent puzzles on this site!

nikirandom
09-Nov-11, 07:41

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What's wrong with 2 move solutions?

I enjoy them, they're always good practise and something to do when I have no moves to make in my games.
And why are a 1488 and 2195 player even looking at a 1 star puzzle, never mind having a dig at it.

Nothing personal, but if you don't like the puzzle then quit it and find one you do like, there's no need to go all critical on us.

maketron
09-Nov-11, 08:51

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Either A.) You didn't read fezzik's post well enough.

or

B.) You are a troll.

If A: Chess puzzles have only one solution. Therefore, this is not a puzzle. Reread the above post.
If B: Well done, you were quite convincing in your trollery.

soup17235
09-Nov-11, 09:24

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the problem is NOT that the solution is two moves, just that there are may ways to solve IN two moves.

nikirandom
09-Nov-11, 09:26

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Lol A and B

Apologies

smitwaa
09-Nov-11, 13:10

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khungai
09-Nov-11, 14:07

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One solution

I can't find a good reference in English, but there are very strict rules for professional chess puzzles. Like a) only legal positions (i.e. positions which can appear in a real game), b) only one solutions, c) solution can't start with a check and d) white to move is always assumed. For "professional" I mean that if you submit this kind of puzzle to a decent chess puzzle contests, they won't even answer your email, believe me

khungai
09-Nov-11, 14:13

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e) solution can't start with a capture

nikirandom
09-Nov-11, 14:36

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...

Fascinating that solutions can't start with a capture... why is that?
The thing about legal positions only, is interesting too, I've seen some puzzles on here that involve the most unlikely looking set-ups.
I really enjoy these threads, they're great.

smitwaa
09-Nov-11, 16:02

Comment deleted on 11-Jul-19, 03:05

krell42
09-Nov-11, 22:45

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fewer moves puzzles? opinion?

How do you feel about puzzles which have multiple mates available, but "The Solution" is the one that has the fewest moves? I think it's silly to make a puzzle that has a position that can mate easily in multiple moves, but there is one way to mate quickly....

i don't like this kind of puzzle because it seems silly to me to study the board for a three move mate when i can clearly see a four move mate....does it really matter if i make an extra move?

nikirandom
10-Nov-11, 01:41

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...

Yes you do get some very informed contributions here; it's well worth my over-hasty posting and being called a troll just to provoke some discussion

I enjoy the weird and wonderful ones just as much as the more ordinary variety - I was looking for an example of the former but can't find one right now - but yes it's all good chess practise whether the position is actually believable or not.

krell42, I think the point is the challenge and practise of finding the shortest possible route to mate (or material gain in some of the tactical exercises, many of which flummox me even when I see the solution) ... in a real game, it might not matter if you make that extra move or two to get mate, but equally, it could well cost you the game.

soup17235
10-Nov-11, 06:37

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too many?

i found six(6) solutions. are there more?

khungai
11-Nov-11, 03:25

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Well, there's a guide in Russian which is quite similar to what I read long time ago in some book:
www.popovgl.narod.ru (translate.google.com produces quite decent translation of the text). In fact only legal position and existence of the solution which is unique are mandatory, checks and captures are just not recommended because that's what most people would check first, and the solution has to be as non-obvious as possible. The other thing is unnecessary pieces -- lot's of puzzle-makers here on GameKnot put pieces on the board for no particular reason while they should participate in the solution or at least create some false traces.

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