CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 2r3k1/pp3p2/3R2p1/7p/q3P2Q/2B2P2/b5P1/K6R w - -

Added by:kingdawar
Added on:15-Jul-08
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chess puzzle 2r3k1/pp3p2/3R2p1/7p/q3P2Q/2B2P2/b5P1/K6R w - -
Attempts:930
Solved:250 (26%)
White to move, mate in 5
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yadasampati
07-Nov-12, 09:33

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A beautiful composition in a real game!
I found this puzzle really astonishing. Mainly because white has managed to reach this nice trap position in real game.
The first move, is counter-intuitive at first sight (offering the queen!), but strikes like thunder. Black has 3 answers, but there is no escape. The rook offers (1 or 2 in different lines) decimate whites material drastically, but he nicely limits black king to just 1 field in the end.
hardland
07-Nov-12, 10:34

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I agree it's surprising to achieve this position in a real game.

But... it's pretty simple. If I were black, I would quit right before the Queen moves.

Does anybody have the full game?
phonybenoni
07-Nov-12, 11:26

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Took a while because I kept trying to start with the wrong check. Once you finally realize what the first move is, things flow nicely.

I certainly wouldn't quit before the queen moves, simply because it isn't very obvious. However, if he moves the queen, then starts putting on his coat and looking at his watch, I'd probably figure he saw it.

yadasampati
07-Nov-12, 11:30

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Putting on your coat might be a good trick ...
... to make your opponent think he has lost the game  
tugger
07-Nov-12, 11:41

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This is a great position. I was thinking at first that black should've resigned before white's move here, since Rd8+ looks like it wins too, but after Kh7, white cannot claim the unguarded rook since black threatens mate in three. So sure, as black I keep fighting, resigning only after I fully absorb the impact of Qd8+!
yadasampati
07-Nov-12, 11:48

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It is also a matter of courtesy ...
... , if your opponent has composed such a beautiful position, to let him finish the painting
hellofriesen
07-Nov-12, 12:58

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i agree with yadasampati, though I know a few other players who think that their opponent playing to the end is something to complain about
yadasampati
07-Nov-12, 13:09

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When a position is CLEARLY lost, but might be extended for another 20 or 30 moves or so, it can be quite annoying when someone does that. On the other hand if there is good possibility that the winning party might still make a mistake, one cannot blame the "loosing" party to keep on playing.
kingdawar
07-Nov-12, 13:19

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I am looking for that information hardland, the full game score... the names of both players (who seem to be quite unknown and perhaps weaker/relatively inactive) can be spelled in several ways, and I have not been able to trace down their exact identities (Markov? Vyazhentin?) - maybe a Russian reader knows of better ways of spelling these names?
phonybenoni
07-Nov-12, 15:02

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I wouldn't surprised if it was not a real game. Yes, I know stranger things have happened, and I usually give such positions the benefit of the doubt. But two unknown Russian players in an isolated location is often suspicious.

I remember seeing an Edmar Mednis article in which he analyzed an endgame with similarly anonymous information from the 1970s. I immediately recognized the position as identical to one used by Fred Reinfeld in a book published fifteen years before the game was supposedly played.

Of course, maybe Reinfeld was psychic.

kingdawar
07-Nov-12, 15:30

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Thanks phonybenoni, indeed that is another possibility. But then still: which book(s)/magazine(s) did it appear in, and where did it appear first? And just as a diagram or as a complete game? Why even bother?   Questions, questions . . .
chessikins
07-Nov-12, 15:52

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Nice..
Good use of materiel...just when you think you have it another wrinkle...some surprising moves and twists...kept trying to offer up her maj for some reason...good finish..
hardland
07-Nov-12, 19:49

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thanks kingdawar
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