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desertfoxxx 01-Jun-12, 09:10 » Report abuse |
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mrfery 28-Apr-15, 00:30 » Report abuse |
Knight start 2 stars sound good. . |
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28%? |
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donnaclara 28-Apr-15, 04:29 » Report abuse |
Intuition and calculation...Then when you find the beautiful 'Bohemian' model mate 1... Ke2 2.Qg2+ Kd3 3.Qc2# you know you are onto something. The difficulty may lie on the fact that each black king move to first rank demands different response from white (well almost- there is a minor dual) and calculating all these to conclusion takes some effort. |
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phonybenoni 28-Apr-15, 05:39 » Report abuse |
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fezzik 28-Apr-15, 06:11 » Report abuse |
Very UGLY puzzle!White has several different wins after the critical first move. There's nothing special about a mate in four from the initial position, and in fact every legal move except 1.Qf3 leads to a mate in less than 10 move! If there were only one path to mate, this would be an ok puzzle. But take a look at the move list. This wasn't really a puzzle in the classic sense of the word, and it wasn't very useful. |
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25%?Otherwise I don't see any problem - gave this 1 star. |
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phonybenoniExcellent! |
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seif73 28-Apr-15, 07:46 » Report abuse |
![]() I thought of trying to protect knight by bringing queen close and hard to analyse as king has so many routes to go to. so i would rate 3 stars |
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fezzik 28-Apr-15, 08:22 » Report abuse |
@SeifI thought it was wrong tho because I found so many different ways to mate in 4 that at first I thought I must have miscalculated. Every legal move except 1.Qf3?? leads to mate in less than ten moves! The only challenge was finding the fastest mate, but unfortunately there were several ways to do that after 1.Nf5 |
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pafkatabg 28-Apr-15, 10:00 » Report abuse |
I hate this kind of puzzlesThis is incredibly hard for me. |
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Using the knight |
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+1 phonybenoni |
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multiple solutionse.g. 1. Nf5 Ke1 2. Qf3 Kd2 (or 2. Qg2 Kd1 3.Nd4 Ke1 [or 3. Ng3 Ke1 4. Qe3++] 4. Qe2++ ) 3. Nd4 Ke1 (or 3. Ng3 Ke1 4. Qe2++) 4. Qe2++ Multiple choices for white's third move also exist when black plays 1...Ke2 as well. A puzzle should have only one correct move for each black response. This puzzle is flawed for that reason. |
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Four Stars. |
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My earlier comment |
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4 or 10"What difference does it make if mate in 4 or 10 moves, when game is already won." If you are tight on the clock, then four moves (rather than ten) might be the difference between winning and running out of time |
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phonybenoni 29-Apr-15, 04:31 » Report abuse |
![]() But I think we are missing the true usefulness of puzzles like this. It's not learning the quickest way to pull off one specific mate, since that's a skill you may never need. I mastered the Smothered Mate 25+years before I got a chance to actually pull one off. Rather, puzzles such as this give us a chance to learn and practice accurate analysis. That's a skill you can use in any game at any time. |
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seif73Having decided on Nf5, e2 looks the least-bad square for Black, so Qg2 then comes naturally as long as you recognise the potential Dovetail mate (Qc2#) if the black king goes to d3. Then, once the king has been forced onto the back rank, it's a simple case of re-positioning the knight to give mate. |
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4 or 10...1. Exercise of the imagination - especially in game-derived puzzles, and/or into the efficient winding up of a game. 2. puzzles of the 'Chess problem' genre involve a specialized task that you don't often encounter on the chessboard, the positions being somewhat contrived. All the same, the motifs are often valuable in 'game' play, in looking 'outside the box' for winning, or perhaps game saving, ways to continue. |
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fezzik 29-Apr-15, 20:01 » Report abuse |
Shortest route to mate...This is why I consider this a very ugly puzzle. There are many ways to win, that's fine. But there should be only one way to mate in 4 for each of Black's responses. That's why this puzzle is such a failure. It doesn't really create a particularly beautiful mate, there are several solutions, and White is mating in a few moves with every legal move except 1.Qf3 anyway. |
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