CHESS PUZZLE, FEN 8/1Q6/8/8/8/4N3/5k2/1K6 w - -

Added by:desertfoxxx
Added on:01-Jun-12
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chess puzzle 8/1Q6/8/8/8/4N3/5k2/1K6 w - -
Attempts:1007
Solved:261 (25%)
White to move, mate in 4
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dasman
01-Jun-12, 09:08

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Ver nice puzzle
desertfoxxx
01-Jun-12, 09:10

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Thanks dasman!
mrfery
28-Apr-15, 00:30

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Knight start
To control e and g files preventing the black king to cross the second rank. The rest doesn't require a great deal of analysis pretty obvious.
2 stars sound good. .
zivago
28-Apr-15, 03:43

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28%?
Ok maybe not so obvious but why so low solve rate?
donnaclara
28-Apr-15, 04:29

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Intuition and calculation...
The key is quite intuitive, as you would not like to let black king to escape to third rank.
Then when you find the beautiful 'Bohemian' model mate 1... Ke2 2.Qg2+ Kd3 3.Qc2# you know you are onto something.

The difficulty may lie on the fact that each black king move to first rank demands different response from white (well almost- there is a minor dual) and calculating all these to conclusion takes some effort.
phonybenoni
28-Apr-15, 05:39

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Probably the low solve rate is due to those who tried sacrificing the queen.
fezzik
28-Apr-15, 06:11

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Very UGLY puzzle!
This was an extremely UGLY puzzle, despite the few pieces.

White has several different wins after the critical first move. There's nothing special about a mate in four from the initial position, and in fact every legal move except 1.Qf3 leads to a mate in less than 10 move!

If there were only one path to mate, this would be an ok puzzle. But take a look at the move list. This wasn't really a puzzle in the classic sense of the word, and it wasn't very useful.
paviland
28-Apr-15, 06:13

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25%?
Usually for non-difficult puzzles, such low solved rates just seem strange to me but in this it's baffling! I'm no genius at chess but this puzzle looked reasonably obvious. I suppose the second move might make some players hesitate if they don't recognise the threat of the 'Dovetail' mate with 2.Qg2+ Kd3 3.Qc2#
Otherwise I don't see any problem - gave this 1 star.
paviland
28-Apr-15, 06:15

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phonybenoni
"Probably the low solve rate is due to those who tried sacrificing the queen"

Excellent!  
seif73
28-Apr-15, 07:46

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this was by no means obvious, it is easy to mate but not in 4 but to move knight to Nf5 is just baffling.

I thought of trying to protect knight by bringing queen close and hard to analyse as king has so many routes to go to.

so i would rate 3 stars
fezzik
28-Apr-15, 08:22

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@Seif
I agree, it took me a few minutes to see 1.Nf5. I started looking at ways to sac the N with moves such as 1.Kc2, but I could never force the quick mate that way. Then I looked at some Q moves before stumbling on Nf5. Once I saw Nf5, I realised that Black's King's days were numbered.

I thought it was wrong tho because I found so many different ways to mate in 4 that at first I thought I must have miscalculated.

Every legal move except 1.Qf3?? leads to mate in less than ten moves! The only challenge was finding the fastest mate, but unfortunately there were several ways to do that after 1.Nf5
pafkatabg
28-Apr-15, 10:00

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I hate this kind of puzzles
What difference does it make if mate in 4 or 10 moves, when game is already won.
This is incredibly hard for me.
rook2d2
28-Apr-15, 10:32

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Using the knight
The knight moving backwards stops the king moving up the board,so the first move seems natural enough and if the king goes on the back rank or front rank as you see it ,then using the queen on the second rank up gives the black king only a few squares to move to on one rank ,which again seems logical enough,good puzzle ,it teaches New comers and a reminder to a few seasoned pros how you should look to cut off squares and shoulder the king to where you are going to win the game.
jett22
28-Apr-15, 10:32

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+1 phonybenoni
Well played! Quite funny
schizoidman
28-Apr-15, 12:18

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multiple solutions
Although there is only 1 correct first move, depending on black's response, there are multiple second and third moves for white that work.
e.g.
1. Nf5 Ke1
2. Qf3 Kd2 (or 2. Qg2 Kd1 3.Nd4 Ke1 [or 3. Ng3 Ke1 4. Qe3++] 4. Qe2++ )
3. Nd4 Ke1 (or 3. Ng3 Ke1 4. Qe2++)
4. Qe2++

Multiple choices for white's third move also exist when black plays 1...Ke2 as well.

A puzzle should have only one correct move for each black response. This puzzle is flawed for that reason.
archduke_piccolo
28-Apr-15, 13:21

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Four Stars.
I was so convinced that 1.Qe4 had to be the key, I wasted several minutes on it. My second choice of move turned out to be the key (1.Nf5) after which the answer fell out pretty quickly. Good puzzle.
rook2d2
28-Apr-15, 13:33

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My earlier comment
I did not look at king g1 for black in reply to whites knight f5 so then queen f3 to cut squares down ,same idea as earlier reducing space and options.
andrewbanks
28-Apr-15, 23:20

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4 or 10
@Pafkatabg

"What difference does it make if mate in 4 or 10 moves, when game is already won."

If you are tight on the clock, then four moves (rather than ten) might be the difference between winning and running out of time
phonybenoni
29-Apr-15, 04:31

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If you are tight on the clock, go for the longer mate. It's quicker to play ten moves without thinking than four moves with thinking.

But I think we are missing the true usefulness of puzzles like this. It's not learning the quickest way to pull off one specific mate, since that's a skill you may never need. I mastered the Smothered Mate 25+years before I got a chance to actually pull one off.

Rather, puzzles such as this give us a chance to learn and practice accurate analysis. That's a skill you can use in any game at any time.
paviland
29-Apr-15, 07:06

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seif73
Terms such as easy & obvious are always very subjective but what struck me almost straightaway here was the usefulness of Nf5 because it builds a 'wall', denying the black king any of the e3/f3/g3 squares. Sometimes a move shouts out & this one did for me!
Having decided on Nf5, e2 looks the least-bad square for Black, so Qg2 then comes naturally as long as you recognise the potential Dovetail mate (Qc2#) if the black king goes to d3.
Then, once the king has been forced onto the back rank, it's a simple case of re-positioning the knight to give mate.
archduke_piccolo
29-Apr-15, 16:25

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4 or 10...
Broadly speaking it doesn't matter - you can win the game only once. But there are a couple of points to chess puzzles
1. Exercise of the imagination - especially in game-derived puzzles, and/or into the efficient winding up of a game.
2. puzzles of the 'Chess problem' genre involve a specialized task that you don't often encounter on the chessboard, the positions being somewhat contrived. All the same, the motifs are often valuable in 'game' play, in looking 'outside the box' for winning, or perhaps game saving, ways to continue.
fezzik
29-Apr-15, 20:01

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Shortest route to mate...
If there's a chess puzzle with a Q and N vs a lone king, I expect there to be a single shortest line. In this case, after 1.Nf5, there are many lines that lead to mate in the same number of moves.

This is why I consider this a very ugly puzzle. There are many ways to win, that's fine. But there should be only one way to mate in 4 for each of Black's responses.

That's why this puzzle is such a failure. It doesn't really create a particularly beautiful mate, there are several solutions, and White is mating in a few moves with every legal move except 1.Qf3 anyway.
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