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perdurabo 04-Aug-11, 17:15 » Report abuse |
![]() 1. Rd6 Qh2+ 2. Kf1 Rxd6 3. Qe3+ Kh7 4. Qe7+ Kh8 5. Qe8+ Kh7 6. Qe7+ Kh8 or 1. Rd6 Qh2+ 2. Kf1 Rxd6 3. Qe3+ Kg7 4. Qe7+ Kg8 5. Qe8+ Kg7 6. Qe7+ |
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cybstorm-chess 07-May-12, 06:04 » Report abuse |
RE: Better move |
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cybstorm-chess 07-May-12, 19:41 » Report abuse |
RE: Better move1. Rd6 Qh2+ 2. Ke3 Rxd6 |
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![]() 3. Qe3+ Kh7 4. Qe7+ Kh8 5. Qe8+ Kh7 6. Qe7+ Kh8 or 3. Qe3+ Kg7 4. Qe7+ Kg8 5. Qe8+ Kg7 6. Qe7+ White can draw by repetition. |
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cybstorm-chess 08-May-12, 06:15 » Report abuse |
RE: Better moveWith the following: 1. Rd6 Qh2+ 2. Ke3 Rxd6 Bottom line, Black wins a rook and white cannot win and cannot do better than a draw - reason being that Black is one move away from mate with Rd1#. And if you were Black playing a much stronger player, a draw is a great outcome. Hence, a good tactic to force White to a draw. At the end of the day, the game seemed to be equally fought, and the outcome is near. Many players think that a draw is a lost, in some cases it is the difference between making it to the next round of the tournament, especially when playing a stronger player. In either case, you have proven your worth, demonstrating respect to the other player by way of agreeing to the draw. Neither of you have lost. My point is equally valid... I declare a draw. Nobody wins, it's a draw! |
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Except that advantage is useless |
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cybstorm-chess 08-May-12, 21:18 » Report abuse |
RE: Better MoveI can agree that your move Rxd6 leads to a "gain" in material (White's rook) for Black and by the same move avoids a draw by perpetual check, and finally, have a chance for a win... But Black cannot force that win... the outcome is therefore not guaranteed... Although I agree that Black has the advantage, it does not guarantee a win... Two Queens in an end play... is a lot of material left to overturn the game... If you are basing your win, on ensuring that Black plays without error... then I agree...otherwise, you are risking it. I can also say that if I was in a tourny, and a draw was all I needed to pass to the next round... I would try and risk for a win... I would take the draw and shake my opponents hand. Having said this, I can agree that if AND ONLY IF, a win was what I needed, then I would risk it for the win. In the end, my proposition guarantees an outcome - a draw at a minimum, and even potentially a win, if White plays recklessly! |
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cybstorm-chess 08-May-12, 21:24 » Report abuse |
RE: Better Move"I would NOT try and risk for a win..." |
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cybstorm-chess 08-May-12, 22:05 » Report abuse |
RE: Better MoveThe above last post was related to your Qxd6... Also, here is an interesting and subtle variation for a White to escape for a win with Rxd6... Here is a variation where White the Black's King escapes the perpetual check... 1. Rd6 Qh2+ 2. Kf1 Rxd6 3. Qe3+ Kh7 4. Qe7+ Kg8 5. Qe8+ Kh7 6. Qe7+ Kh6 7. Qe3+ Kg7 8. Qe7+ Kg8 9. Qe8+ Kh7 10. Qf7+ Kh6 - This is the error that White's Queen makes... Qf7+ 11. Qf8+ Kg5 12. Qg7+ Kh4 13. Qe7+ Kh3 14. Ke1 Qg1+ 15. Ke2 Qg2+ 16. Ke3 Qd2+ 17. Ke4 Qd4# |
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![]() While being up a rook isn't a guaranteed win (you still have to play accurately), it's still a big enough advantage. |
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cybstorm-chess 09-May-12, 05:21 » Report abuse |
![]() In the end, my proposition guarantees an outcome - a draw at a minimum, and even potentially a win, if White plays recklessly... For me this tactic is about ensuring Black a draw. Agree to disagree? |
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paulhenry 01-Aug-12, 22:13 » Report abuse |
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kimm1v1 11-Nov-12, 11:30 |
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cybstorm-chess 11-Nov-12, 13:11 |
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kimm1v1 11-Nov-12, 13:59 |
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