Chess Puzzle #4252

CHESS PUZZLE #4252

Added by:	manu21
Added on:	10-May-08
Description:	just a simple variation of a game i've seen minues the addition pawns and the kings side has been modified to make it work. This should teach you a very basic checkmate that you can use! (hint: with the final mate you only use the one piece)
Difficulty:	online chess puzzle #4252
Attempts:	1861
Solved:	1135 (60%)


White to move, mate in 4

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suentun
22-Feb-12, 00:35

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inb4some1sezillegalposition

marcdeb
22-Feb-12, 01:00

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Don't complain about illegal position

If illegal positions shouldn't be allowed, this puzzle should not have passed the algorithm for submission in the first place. Because it DID pass that algorithm, illegal positions ARE allowed.

End of discussion.

sicknero
22-Feb-12, 01:18

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Pawn star!

re - illegal positions, this one is quite sane compared to some of the crazy set ups we get... there was a lengthy thread on this very topic not long ago, and what the rules are for chess problems.

I'll be off now and make way for to "It's too easy" daily whingers

sicknero
22-Feb-12, 01:19

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typo correction...

'make way for THE "It's too easy" daily whingers'

beastmonkey
22-Feb-12, 01:50

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Please, no fantasy chess!!

What is with the 13 black pawns? Chess is for serious strategic minds so let us stay within the basic parameters of the game. In this instance we are to accept that black lost queen and rook to white bishop because white has all other pieces. Author claims to have witnessed this "game" ..... Not worth commenting further!! Beast out

mihaimarinescu
22-Feb-12, 02:13

Comment deleted on 22-Feb-12, 09:57.

sicknero
22-Feb-12, 02:22

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Beastmonkey you didn't read the description properly...

"... game I've seen minues the addition pawns.." (sic)

kingdawar
22-Feb-12, 03:08

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Apart from the multitude of pawns, h8 bishop's visa rights have run out...

nyousfi
22-Feb-12, 05:45

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IMO If you don't like the puzzle just move on. Why moan about it???

mihaimarinescu
22-Feb-12, 05:58

Comment deleted on 22-Feb-12, 09:57.

eugen1943
22-Feb-12, 06:05

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To me this is just another problem to exercise my mind. In a real game someone might be concerned about the vulnerability of the white knight but as you can see even though the knight can be threatened it is to late and it winds up providing the required supporting role for the queen. I really only commented so I would be privy to comments by others. Good catch on the bishop location.

hellofriesen
22-Feb-12, 07:41

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before I even read

As soon as I saw this puzzle on the homepage, I couldn't wait to see who would point out the obvious. I'm not very good at chess myself, but I've noticed a distinct pattern on these comment boards. It's the mediocre players who always complain, and the the players with actual higher chess scores who tell them to stop whining. What does that tell us?

sicknero
22-Feb-12, 07:43

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hellofriesen,

you've clearly not seen all the threads then : )

hellofriesen
22-Feb-12, 07:56

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apologies

clearly not indeed! Well, I still haven't seen anyone with a rating over 2000 ever complain about how easy a puzzle is, or point out the over obvious fact that a puzzle doesn't exist in a real game. In fact, I don't think I've seen anyone with a rating over 1750 do that.

hcajg77
22-Feb-12, 08:16

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Why add the extra pawns? It's the same puzzle without them.

On the other hand, it is sort of fun to see all those pawns at once. And to all those complainers, why does it matter if an occasional puzzle might not have actually happened in a real game? It still teaches a good mate pattern to know.

blackmonkey
22-Feb-12, 08:23

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mihaimarinescu, with all due respect, and mostly out of curiosity, how is this pointless? it is a puzzle, is it not? don't you believe that if chess, or any other game for that matter, in any variation, can make someone think then it has served its purpose and has a point?

beastmonkey, clearly your id exudes seriousness and a non-interest in fantasy, but chess is for anyone. why so selfish?

fudgemuffin
22-Feb-12, 08:50

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this comment is completely pointless. And very immature too.

eugen1943
22-Feb-12, 09:33

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Extra pawns

The extra pawns are there to prevent black from creating an escape.

babe2luv
22-Feb-12, 10:02

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john6227
22-Feb-12, 11:20

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suentun
22-Feb-12, 11:22

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i was in before anybody could even utter 'illegal position'

fudgemuffin
22-Feb-12, 11:57

Comment deleted on 22-Feb-12, 18:26.

matepok
22-Feb-12, 12:16

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That's funny. Some pieces reproduce themselves again

john6227
22-Feb-12, 12:33

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sicknero
22-Feb-12, 12:37

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lolol

these threads are as much fun as the puzzles

fudgemuffin
22-Feb-12, 12:44

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sicknero
22-Feb-12, 12:47

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sicknero
22-Feb-12, 12:48

Comment deleted on 22-Feb-12, 18:27.

kpnone
22-Feb-12, 13:06

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I'm not a opponent of illegal positions in chess puzzles in general. I do, however, think this puzzle is stupid because the illegal position is more or less irrelevant to solution. All those pawns generally make no difference in the solution. Adding stuff just to make it look cool is pointless.

kingdawar
22-Feb-12, 13:15

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kpnone got it

Tadaa, and that is always the case. The same can be shown in a legal position too.

blackmonkey
22-Feb-12, 13:57

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pawns are relevent. look ^ @ royo

everybody who doesn't think this looks cooler with all the extra pieces is wrong.

elfuego51
22-Feb-12, 13:57

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Can it?

Moving g7 to g6 to allow the bishop at h8, I haven't been able to find a position with eight pawns that allows mate in 4 following the sequence that's used for this one.

john6227
22-Feb-12, 14:00

Comment deleted on 22-Feb-12, 18:28.

letshavaquickone
22-Feb-12, 16:06

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The fudgemuffin has said all that needed to be said.

As for the puzzle:
- the extra pawns are quite extra, that is, unnecessary for this particular puzzle;
- the extra pawns offend neither my intelligence nor my artistic sensibility;
- the extra pawns are pawns like any other pawns, and should be protected from shameless discrimination.

Do yourselves a favor and don't take life so seriously!

eugen1943
22-Feb-12, 16:22

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extra pawns

letshavaquickone The extra pawns prevent the black king from escaping.(d7-d6)

letshavaquickone
22-Feb-12, 16:32

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royoetting it's a valid argument, but why not just double the c-pawn into the d-row?

I stand by my previous comment and by my admiration for fudgemuffin's wonderful little poem.

elfuego51
22-Feb-12, 16:35

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One extra pawn is necessary

As mentioned in my comment above, if you're trying to make it a legal position, move the pawn at g7 to g6 to allow the bishop h8. Now the back rank is set. However, there isn't a position for the 8 pawns that allow the checkmate in 4 presented in the puzzle, moving the d pawn saves the day.

eugen1943
22-Feb-12, 16:35

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escapes

letshavaquickone Black would move the K-D8 and then escapes.

letshavaquickone
22-Feb-12, 16:41

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And, in c7, so that the King wouldn't escape, there would be the dark-squared bishop, instead of playing the ninja bishop and managing to sneak into h8.

That bishop is for me the most marvelous thing in the whole puzzle! (Props to kingdawar for having been the first to point out the existence of this everyday gem).

fantasycat
23-Feb-12, 11:13

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Great puzzle

Wow!

It's a great puzzle

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