Chess Puzzle #4391

CHESS PUZZLE #4391

Added by:	kingdawar
Added on:	20-May-08
Description:	Nigel David Short - Aleksandar Savanovic, Vogosca 2007.
Difficulty:	online chess puzzle #4391
Attempts:	1565
Solved:	1033 (66%)


White to move, mate in 3

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ollie01
15-Apr-12, 01:34

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Alternative solution?

Qb4+
black responds by moving either R or Q to block the check anwhere along that line eg Qc5
Bh7
Is there any move black can make now to prevent CM? eg Qxb4
Rg8#

(sorry if the notation is off - beginner!)

sjaak123
15-Apr-12, 01:59

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no alternative

After Qb4+ Rd6 2. Bh7 Black plays Qc2+and no mat in 3,

eugen1943
15-Apr-12, 02:05

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ollie01

1. Qb4+, Rd6 .... White can no longer mate because the rook is protected by the black queen. This puzzle is very similar to one we had the other day where white makes the rectangular pattern to avoid black defending pieces. good exercise.

chessikins
15-Apr-12, 04:08

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Triangles..

I know these puzzles are very easy to entice newbies into further interest but really am getting sick of the first move being a check...too easy to create and doesn't give newcomers any real help in solving traditional puzzzles...where first move check is a no-no..

ollie01
15-Apr-12, 04:41

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alternative...

ahhh.....

sidthekid
15-Apr-12, 06:00

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Chessikins

Surely chess puzzles aren´t always just for the sole purpose of puzzling.
Most newcomers are probably looking for a bit of help in learning how to play chess, especially the endgame, rather than to solve a puzzle and these easier puzzles do just that.
You could always try the harder puzzles which, imho, are usually actually puzzles made for puzzling rather than situations from a real game.

marvin2
15-Apr-12, 06:22

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chessikins

If I'm right this is from a real game so the position is quite possible.

I don't really know what's your idea about what a traditional puzzle should be but let me tell you something about this position.

White has three possible moves to create new threats:
- Qb4+: Already mention and useless.
- f5: Not possible because of the pinning pawn.
- Qg2: Not possible because White's queen is protecting the pinning pawn.

So what can they do to improve (and in this case checkmate), check with a rook sacrifice and force the king to move to a undesirable square (decoy) that help they to check again and force the mate.

As you can see there are several tactical concepts in this position that you have to deal with, and I think that helps to improve your level which is the real aim of solving chess puzzles.

Of course, this is in my opinion.

pierre99
15-Apr-12, 06:48

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I don't understand

Nigel Short and Aleksandar Savanovic, and they were still playing up to this position? Sheesh, where were their thoughts?

marvin2
15-Apr-12, 07:01

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pierre99

Please, follow this link:

ratings.fide.com

Really, As you can see Aleksandar Savanovic resign before the first move (Rg8+)

marvin2
15-Apr-12, 07:02

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By the way ...

I found it after solving the puzzle

joyyan
15-Apr-12, 12:03

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HHHHHHHHHHHHOOO

rms78070
15-Apr-12, 17:52

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marvin2

Thanks, as easy as the puzzle was the game was a very complex masterpiece

andrew_chaz
15-Apr-12, 18:34

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3 seconds

obvious solution

fezzik
15-Apr-12, 22:38

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Puzzles vs Games

This was an actual game. When I see that a "puzzle" is a game continuation, I think of it more as tactics training.

If it's been created then the aesthetics of puzzle-making is important. Every piece and pawn must have a purpose, even if only to create false possibilities. The rule that the first move should not be a check is not a rule at all, but a nice convention. Just like all poets, the good puzzle maker knows when to break with conventions.

But this is a game. GM Nigel Short found the most efficient way to finish the game, using Damiano's method of sacking a rook to allow the Q to mate.

Two Stars, both for difficulty and beauty.

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