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puzzler77 20-Sep-12, 10:29 » Report abuse |
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puzzler77 20-Sep-12, 10:35 » Report abuse |
en-passant as a first move |
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phonybenoni 20-Sep-12, 10:38 » Report abuse |
![]() In competitions for problem composers, there are certain conventions for castling and en passant. First of all, positions have to be possible using the regular rules of chess, meaning that a legal game could be constructed leading to the position on the board. Castling is assumed to be possible unless there is proof it is illegal, as in the problem I just made up. En passant captures are assumed to be possible ONLY if it can be proven that Black's last move was pushing the pawn in question two squares. Here is a simple example, composed by F. Amelung in 1897. White mates in two. Black's last move had to be ...g7-g5 (the pawn couldn't have come from g6, where it would have been checking White's king). So White is allowed to play 1.hxg6 Kh5 2.Rxh7# This is known as "retrograde analysis". Some find it fascinating, but many object to it as artificial and useless. Both points of view are right. I think the majority of users here prefer more gamelike positions and strategies, and don't want to bother with these subtleties. Also, the problem software doesn't handle these retro problems well. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have this kind of problem, just for variety's sake if nothing else. But if you're really interested, there are other sites around the web that you should visit. |
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puzzler77 20-Sep-12, 10:46 » Report abuse |
yadasampati puzzle #74962
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yadasampati 20-Sep-12, 11:18 » Report abuse |
@puzzler77 and @phonybenoni puzzle #74962 is actually illegal, because it has a position that can never be reached without the king having moved (otherwise how did the rook get on b5?). Thanks for creating it though, because it shows that the puzzle creation software has a functional bug in it! And phonybenoni also gives a nice example of a puzzle in which the first move is an en-passant move. I also understand now why the solution to the problem he gave earlier (the color-reverse of puzzle #74962) can never be 1. 0-0-0+ because the king must have moved to reach this position. But with FEN-notation the castling-option can be forced. Thank you both for your efforts! |
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yadasampati 20-Sep-12, 11:30 |
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Amelung's #2 given by phonybenoni puzzle #59265
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yadasampati 20-Sep-12, 11:38 |
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puzzler77 20-Sep-12, 11:43 » Report abuse |
kingdawar |
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yadasampati 20-Sep-12, 11:43 » Report abuse |
@kingdawar |
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yadasampati 20-Sep-12, 11:48 » Report abuse |
@kingdawar |
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![]() puzzle #27402
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puzzler77 20-Sep-12, 13:21 » Report abuse |
lavacouch |
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puzzler77 20-Sep-12, 13:34 » Report abuse |
en-passant puzzle #58981 give a clue as to how the en-passant move is accomplished on the first move. I'll endeavor to pursue it further tomorrow when I have more puzzles available to create.
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yadasampati 20-Sep-12, 14:13 |
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yadasampati 20-Sep-12, 14:31 |
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yadasampati 20-Sep-12, 14:32 » Report abuse |
FEN-notation for en-passant possibilityIt should have been: 7R/7p/5P1k/4PKpP/8/8/8/8 w - g6 (indicating that white can take en-passant on g6) If you create a puzzle and import this FEN notation, you have puzzle #59265 ! |
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yadasampati 20-Sep-12, 14:37 » Report abuse |
@kingdawarThe correct notation is: 7R/7p/5P1k/4PKpP/8/8/8/8 w - g6 |
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puzzler77 20-Sep-12, 14:39 » Report abuse |
kingdawar |
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