Chess Puzzle #5235

CHESS PUZZLE #5235

Added by:	big_bo
Added on:	14-Jul-08
Description:	A very easy ending that came up in a game. Black was having a good game untill my knight forced both his queen and then his rook by checking the queen and then taking afterwards.
Difficulty:	online chess puzzle #5235
Attempts:	1438
Solved:	1361 (94%)


White to move, mate in 2

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chessikins
11-Dec-12, 00:32

Comment deleted on 11-Dec-12, 08:30.

iamme2
11-Dec-12, 01:36

Comment deleted on 11-Dec-12, 08:32.

jamesprincex
11-Dec-12, 02:29

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So many permutations...

in chess. No matter how straightforward a puzzle may be to solve, as with most games of chess, the position is often completely unforeseen. Thanks for sharing @big_bo. We need more actual game scenarios.

bb_cb_love_pizza
11-Dec-12, 03:19

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regardless of whether being easy or not...

to all those who prefer game scenarios: Why would you prefer them ?
the intent of a puzzle is not to be any kind of a reasonable position in game, the only regulation is that the position on the board could be reached by playing a game.
Aint a puzzle enjoyable regardless of whether the position seems to be common (like castling, few pieces out of position) or not?
It seems out of place in my opinion to judge a puzzle by what it is not intended to be. might be kind of a needless aggressive ( ) post by me , but i have read those comments times and times, in my opinion those puzzles who are complete mess by position on the board require much more "out of the box"-thinking then those others (and are imo therefore more demanding), considering it's most times kind of a simple defense-breaking sacrifice which gives you free access to the opponent's king in "ordinary" positions. (in the easy section its much more easy because there are only few reasonable moves, as otherwise the opponent would either check or get his king out of the way of any threat whatsoever.)

i dont want to be any kind of chessikins here, but i think this point had to be made.

to those who prefer actual game scenarios: Answer plz , cuz i really dont see any legit point to be made about a actual game scenario being any superior to a composed position (neither vice versa)

phlashphlash
11-Dec-12, 05:51

Comment deleted on 11-Dec-12, 08:32.

thor99
11-Dec-12, 09:29

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@bb_cb_love_pizza

i have to say i agree with you! i dont see why real game positions are superior to random muddles of pieces.

yadasampati
11-Dec-12, 09:55

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I wonder ...

... what chessikins had to say

yadasampati
11-Dec-12, 10:06

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@bb_cb_love_pizza

Nicely put. I fully agree with you. There are puzzles, and some of them are based on real or possible games. Why confine ourselves, and miss the beauty of a composition?

Just like with movies: they can be great, entertaining and exciting without being realistic. The things happening in are still capable of capturing our minds.

The same with a chess puzzle: which moves can be made and how can i combine those moves into a mate. That is what a puzzle is about. Not the historic accuracy of it.

fezzik
11-Dec-12, 10:18

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Hmmm....

I wonder *who* deleted the posts. How often do moderators wander over to these parts of the site?

Anyway,

0.5 Star difficulty. I suppose some people may move the wrong wrook for the check. (Or is it rong rook? I can never remember.)

0.5 Stars Aesthetics.

Regarding authenticity: For me, it's useful to keep the original position even if it is slightly flawed, but one shouldn't be beholden to minutia just for the sake of completeness. It is often quite useful to see how an attack developed. Often, the mating net is the least interesting part of a Grandmaster game.

Give us enough information to find the original position in our databases or puzzle books. There have been quite a few tacitcs books where the original position was changed just enough to make it difficult to track.

iron_flower
11-Dec-12, 10:29

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It is rook

bb_cb_love_pizza
11-Dec-12, 10:44

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he said sth like "bah took me 2 secs to solve, bad problem, nuff said"

and iamme2 responded with sth lik "chessikins, why post such a needless and aggressive comment once again" or so...anything new by all means xD the basic discussion we seem to have every single day in the ez section =D

yadasampati
11-Dec-12, 10:46

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Very good that moderators sometimes delete posts ...

... when they spoil the atmosphere of a comment-thread. Especially when these posts appear almost daily and are written by the same person(s). A mild and appropriate punishment.

thor99
11-Dec-12, 11:35

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@yadasampati

i have to totally agree with you i think that chessikins is being very rude with all of his posts on the easy section for pete sakes! its the gosh danged easy section!

yadasampati
11-Dec-12, 11:49

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@thor99

Indeed, "rude" is the right word. It is not just annoying, but it is disrespectful to beginning chess players.

On the other hand,it could also be an OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder). Well, the best cure for that is becoming conscious of it. I hope that my post helps him with that.

thor99
11-Dec-12, 11:58

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@yadasampati

good point i had not thought of that.

gru1
11-Dec-12, 12:50

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To Fezzik

Don't let iron_flower mislead you. It's "rong wrook." But what confused me was that the "left Wrook" was the "write wrook."

babbchess
11-Dec-12, 12:51

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Pattern recognition

While this is a two move mate, there are a few other items here that offer a bit more insight into positional play:
1. Note how the bishop at e6 has taken advantage of the King pawn NOT being moved. The bishop clogs Black's position and provides a very definite edge - irrespective of the potential mate. I would sac a couple of pawns in a game if I could lock up the position the way the bishop has.
2. The black rook is out of play - White is taking advantage of Black's lack of development.
3. White's rooks are active and centered.
4. White's e pawn has not moved, but at least White has castled.

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