Chess Puzzle #54899

CHESS PUZZLE #54899

Added by:	dasman
Added on:	01-Feb-12
Description:	Philosopher's puzzle no. 126b2.
More solutions:	madthinker
Difficulty:	online chess puzzle #54899
Attempts:	25
Solved:	14 (56%)


Black to move, mate in 5

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kingdawar
01-Feb-12, 06:33

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Thanks a lot for manually deleting the previous attempt. Now what we have here is an enjoyable G.K. puzzle. That's how it works, except usually you don't serve your non-working prototypes as the final product here's to many more like this one

dasman
01-Feb-12, 06:45

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I'll keep trying. Be patient - I'm not any chess master, not even a good player.

madthinker
01-Feb-12, 07:21

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Alt solution found on non-main line.

Does this make it any the worse a puzzle, given that the engine always seem to send you down another (longer) path?

KD, you've found alt solutions to 2 of my puzzles. Assuming these now cover every solution, then in what way would it be better (other than aesthetics) to delete and re-submit? I know it would be better to get it right first time, but we're only human.

kingdawar
01-Feb-12, 10:09

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Contented Too Quickly

Oh, it's still a dasman problem, I should've smelled the rat (I mean I should've suspected that dasman still had left an alt. solution in, as might seem to be his primary idea of creating a chess puzzle for others)

It is not merely about aesthetics, but that indeed is a small part of it. It's about getting it right. It's about posting a problem correctly. If you put up a mate in five, and within thirty seconds another guy comes and "improves" it to a mate in four ("proves" what was posted is not (yet) correct) I just don't like at all what GameKnot does about that problem. Of course I'm moaning about it here, but really the issue is with GK, and not with the posters - we just do abd post whatever we are allowed to do and post (as we should - and as GK intended things to be). All in all this has been made into this a chaotic collection with no real ordered archive, just as devised. Anyway, the point is this, if a mate in three is posted and somebody else comes and adds five variations, then 1- of course it can happen, these positions cannot be expected to work perfectly without any reply in which there just happen to be two correct continuations and the puzzle application doesn't always work completely logical either 2-why didn't the poster notice there are two variations? why didn't GK make him go through it again before posting? 3- why isn't the puzzle deleted and reposted with the full solution once the flaw has been pointed out (and that is GK's job)

tl no point dr

kingdawar
01-Feb-12, 10:23

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Another try.... I have already written all of this through GK feedback

I just firmly insist there is a striking difference in quality between puzzles with and without "alternative solutions"; I would go as far as to say that if GK were to delete ALL puzzles that have been "improved" and ALL mate-in-two puzzles that have two or more alt. solutions (of course carefully - notifying their creators beforehand and afterwards with messages containing full information about the position/puzzle that is deleted)... it would be a much much better problem place qualitatively speaking

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