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chris21
12/22/2002
10:29:43
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 Subject: Openings question?
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I bought a book recently which seems to name some openings according to how both white, and black play.
Example- 1.e4 e5 2. Nc3... is the Vienna game.
Now, my question is as long as I play e4 followed by Nc3 have I played the vienna game opening, or is it important for black to have moves e5 on his first move?
I just give this opening as an example there's countless others. So, would 1e4 e6 2.Nc3 still be the Vienna game?
I know some openings have a name regardless of how black responds e.g the sicillian dragon, but I'm curious as to why my book of openings names blacks responses when referring to an opening by white?
Hope this makes sense, thanks in advance:)
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philaretus
12/22/2002
10:43:07
[ report this post ] | chris21
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You've played the Vienna Game if you reach the definitive position in any order. For instance, After 1.e4 Nf6 (so far Petrov's Defence), White sometimes chickens out with 2.Nc3. If Black continues 2...e5, then the Vienna Game has been reached by transposition.
The example you cite would certainly not be a Vienna Game: it will most probably end up as a French Defence.
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chris21
12/22/2002
11:05:25
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I thought 1.e4 Nf6 would be the Alekhine defence?
Isn't the Petroff defense 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6?
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philaretus
12/22/2002
15:27:13
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For Petrov read Alekhine!
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the_disiple
12/22/2002
18:19:57
[ report this post ] | sicillian dragon
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the sicillian dragon depends on how both black and white play...
if white plays e4 and then black plays e5, it's not the sicillian defence thus not the sicillian/dragon variation. same with 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 e6 not dragon.
openings depend on how both sides start out
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chris21
12/23/2002
02:16:57
[ report this post ] | The Disciple
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Yes but as long as the required moves are made by black then the dragon will be reached. Where as for example 1...Nf6 for black can't be the start of the kings indian defense for black if white has played 1e4 and not 1.d4.
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philaretus
12/23/2002
06:17:08
[ report this post ] | In printed scores....
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.....of games, such openings are often signalled by some such phrase as: "French Defence (by transposition)".
One of the most curious is 1. f4 (Bird's Opening) e5 (From's Gambit) 2. e4 (King's Gambit by transposition).
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atrifix
12/23/2002
11:24:50
[ report this post ] | KID by 1. e4 Nf6
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1. e4 Nf6 2. f3 d6 3. d4 g6 4. c4 Bg7 5. Nc3.
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nimzoredivivus
12/24/2002
20:53:08
[ report this post ] | The naming of openings...
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...is after a fashion arbitrary. One must learn the
initial position that characterizes the opening so
named. For example, the Bird's to King's Gambit
transposition. The name of the opening gives way
to the King's Gambit in part because the King's
Gambit is older. On the other hand, many positions
in the Vienna Game should really be called the
Bishop's Opening because it is older -- but are often
called the Vienna because it is more known! Then
you have 1.b3 and 1.Nf3, 2. b3. What is it? White
plays b3 on move one or move two. Some call it the
Queen Fianchetto, some the Nimzowitsch Attack,
some the Nimzo-Larsen Attack, and some the Larsen
Opening. Some call 1.b3 the Larsen Opening and
some 1.Nf3 2.b3 the Nimzowitsch Attack. Go figure!
it is all essentially the same opening! Convention is
more or less the rule of the day. 1.e4 e6 is the
French and 1.e4 c6 is the Caro-Kann and 1.e4 e5
2.Nc3 is the Vienna. Those are accepted names for
those positions -- unless they transpose to
something else!
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