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qiwi
9/14/2002
23:56:33 |
 Subject: "A Fool for Christ"
Message:
"I speak to G-d on a daily basis, and He answers me! Not only that but I have seen angels, and demons, and have been spoken to by both."
Ravenloche 8/31/2002
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dominoxxx
9/15/2002
03:13:22 | mmm
Message:
pass?
Dxxx
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qiwi
9/15/2002
03:38:22 | Who are you? you gutless wonder.
Message:
Oh No!! Some rat-fink has hacked into my computer again and started posting messages using the name Qiwi. I knew I should have stayed over in Social Chat.
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bafverfeldt1981
9/15/2002
05:25:23 | man
Message:
I wish tonlesu could bring up the Edmastergay thread again. That was one of the funniest I have ever read. I must've laughed for about 30 min straight..
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zoobrenok
9/15/2002
07:55:23 | so, tehn qiwi
Message:
vote to delete this thread.
if this was not you who started it, then delete it.
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moebile1
9/15/2002
08:33:57 | qiwi
Message:
It's me again...
1) You're way too funny.
2) Did you know ravenloche and I have been friends for 20+ years.
We seem to have the same foolish problem.
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ravenloche
9/15/2002
10:28:23 | qiwi-kly loosing credibility
Message:
So glad to see that you have decided to stay with
us here at GK. It does however seem such a shame
that whoever is hacking into your computer is at
the same time hacking into the intelect section of
your brain.
You used to be able to post in such a manner that
your portrayed at least a minimal facade of intellec-
tual competence.
1 Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them
that perish foolishness: but unto us which are saved
it is the power of G-d.
1 Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of G-d the
world(that means you) by wisdom knew not G-d, it
pleased G-d by the foolishness of preaching to save
them that believe.
I thank you for the title of this thread, and am glad
that there are those who know that I am most
indubitably a "fool for Christ" and I ask again
Who's fool are you!?
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bafverfeldt1981
9/15/2002
10:37:50 | ;)
Message:
And the believers of God attacked the intellectuals with force and insults, protected by their mind's God- righteous in their little box.
While qiwi may have had a little nerd hacking into his cpr ;) it seems some have been hacked for years- totally inconsistent and mindless as their damaged goods are.....
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bafverfeldt1981
9/15/2002
10:40:12 | While
Message:
the 5 year olds they were preaching for was not aware of the simple and poor mirror technique, moebile1 actually thought he could use it on the elitist clique of the world ;))))))
Moebile1
Mirror mirror on the door,
is it you or me you are praying for,
what sins you do- do not apply to me,
join the atheist movement and be freeeeeeeeeee
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patjackson
9/15/2002
15:54:47 | Qiwi
Message:
When it's mad or when it's inspired is a hazy line.
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ravenloche
9/15/2002
17:55:19 | Oscar
Message:
oh atheist movement in a box
trapped in there without locks
trying hard to find the truth
fighting all with nail and tooth
seeking for the answers there
forgeting of the one Most Fair
lost in thought without a clue
and still G-d does love you
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bafverfeldt1981
9/15/2002
18:11:00 |
Message:
Why seek the question when you already have the answer,
tell me why trade freedom for chains- yes why make that transfer?
Like the bishop on the open board- we are free,
we see the truth for what it is- noone tries to flee,
People tell you to believe that Jesus was your mate,
but why would my mate try to steer my fate.
I think my business is my own, and the rest is quasi,
now who killed more people- was it religion or the nazi?
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bafverfeldt1981
9/15/2002
18:17:28 | thankyouladiesthankyou
Message:
In search for the greater ego to prevail,
you ordered God in a mail,
it doesn't really matter how hard you fail,
because
you ordered God in a mail,
If a heavy situation arises know you will not bail,
because
you ordered God in a mail.
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zoobrenok
9/15/2002
18:21:52 | what is this all about?
Message:
what is this all about?
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bafverfeldt1981
9/15/2002
18:27:30 | and another one
Message:
Proclaim your imaginitive truth and face the loss,
can't you see I'm Jesus Christ and you are the cross?
Just giving you a piece of me, but like another pharisee,
you just won't face it- a blindman who will never see,
you know I find all this bickering, to be rather sickening,
so stop the licking, because know nothing will stick in.
Who really deep inside believing in this Godly farse,
noone so.. jump up and bite my sweet little arse.
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bafverfeldt1981
9/15/2002
18:31:01 | zoobrenok
Message:
I caught myself in overproducing to silent the childish attempt to face me. That what it is all about.
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zoobrenok
9/15/2002
20:03:58 | n/c
Message:
no comments:
"I caught myself in overproducing to silent the childish attempt to face me. That what it is all about."
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moebile1
9/15/2002
20:16:09 | Just joining in
Message:
what can I say, what can I tell
to make you sincerely, avoid hell
To examine how one could be so bold
to deal an exchange for his soul
We do not seek their gratitude
as we endure their attitude
they think we've gained much altitude
but point them to the beatitudes
Someday the truth they may find
apart and away from their own mind
looking inward toward the heart
to find Christ's love which he imparts
praying always, none be decieved
praying always, all will believe
Turn now away from worldly persuasion
to avoid forever, eternal damnation
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qiwi
9/15/2002
21:47:54 | Ravenloche...
Message:
All is not lost my friend!!
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; when he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28.
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zoobrenok
9/15/2002
21:58:49 | qiwi
Message:
So, were you hacked or was it a lie?
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zoobrenok
9/15/2002
22:00:15 | ment to say
Message:
lie=joke
for i don't think you can lie like this :-)
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qiwi
9/15/2002
22:32:05 | Zoobrenook.....
Message:
Forgive me for I have sinned..
Hey, where did you disappear to at Dom's party.
Dragon-Wolf especially widened the door for you.
It ended up being fancy-dress in the end anyway!!
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qiwi
9/15/2002
23:01:17 | Ravenloche...
Message:
Out of interest, do you not stand by your statement of 8/31?? I only ask as you seem to have gone on the defensive. It is only natural that such a statement should generate comment. If I had posted that I had seen a flyiing saucer last night and spoken to the crew I think most people would be curious to say the least, if only about my sanity.
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zeox
9/16/2002
04:22:24 | QIWI...
Message:
Anything interesting yet?
You think they all have no independant thought and act like robots...
That maybe, but what are you?
All I hear from you is christianity this and that, blah blah blah.
How about some independant thought from you then?
J
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qiwi
9/16/2002
04:49:58 | Anybody want to Skate-board with Zeox??
Message:
Maybe in a few years when you have grown up a bit we can engage in some interesting debate. Meanwhile, shouldn't you be outside in the fresh air playing with your friends??
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zeox
9/16/2002
05:00:45 | LMAO.....
Message:
Your a giggly guy QIWI.
It has nothing to do wth my age. I am more than capable of debating with you.
Your just angry I picked you up when you were attacking people on 9/11.
You wanna talk about something interesting come on then, or go babble to a corner
J
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ravenloche
9/16/2002
05:12:22 | not convinced
Message:
what a fatal thought, I am my own god
watching all, and giving my nod
do as I wish, if it feels good
doing anything, just because I could
Not listening to the cry of my soul
begging me to make it whole
For even within me there is a cry
Seeking out the One Most High
Inside each heart there's an empty spot
that tells of man's final lot
will it be filled with self and desire
sending him to an eternal fire
or with wisdom will the man decide
from himself and G-d he can not hide
will it be filled with the spritual light
or will the heart be dark as night
turn today to the heavenly highway
come today to freedom's Calvary
come and feel the peace within
of living a life free from sin
harden not your hearts today
but come and learn there is a way
to know in all you call your life
there is a way to end the strife
of trying to fill the hole within
of trying to live without sin
to know a love that has no bound
in Jesus this love is found
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ravenloche
9/16/2002
06:39:14 | Qiwi
Message:
once again you do err! It is not I who is lost!
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zeox
9/16/2002
06:59:59 | OH GIVE UP QIWI...
Message:
Your not gonna do anything to them.
RAVEN is happy with what he beleives in
As are most Christians.
Your happy in what you dont beleive in.
Give up your stupid crusade and let them worship whatever they want in peace.
I dont know whats worse, Christians ramming their beleifs down our throats...
Or you going on about beleiving nothing.
Ever think that its awfully lonely beleiving in nothing? At least they have faith if nothing else.
RAVEN....Dont worry about old fruity man here, you beleive and do whatever you want. As long as you leave us in peace we should leave you in peace.
And you know that I did my part aswell, its up to God to have a chat with me now.
J
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bafverfeldt1981
9/16/2002
07:17:56 | Joe
Message:
lol
I think my good friend Qiwi is doing a great job in being a contrahent to the christian illbelievers on this site.
With a good sense of humour and a sharp mind he cuts them for every post- in return he gets ranting that only prooves his points.
I, for one, will never give up. I will continue hunting these bastards untill they see that they are only promoting the devil.
As for God chatting with you- study your bible and you wouldn't have to demand such a thing. Only openhearted can take in his words. I don't believe you believe that he exists- maybe you'd wish him to be real.....
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zeox
9/16/2002
07:56:40 | VAMP...
Message:
Hey man whats up?
Ummm, Ive got to disagree with youthere mate. They are not evil and their not bastards.
The whole point of religion is to be good, not evil.
Its how people act that is evil.
QIWI has a great sense of humour but its time for him to shut up every now and again. The man needs to take some Valium and stop looking like an inteligent funny zealot.
He's a zealot who has no time for people with other veiws.
thats called small-minded, and intollerant in most places.
But hey Oscar, your still cool! lol ;-)
J
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zoobrenok
9/16/2002
09:31:42 | Dom's party
Message:
Remeber? - I stuck in barber shop because I was wearing a bull costume for over a year and he decided that I need a doctor.
In order not to miss a party, we needed a barber or a doctor there.
But instead of inviting him/her/them you folks started taking apart Dom's house!!!! :-(
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zeox
9/16/2002
09:33:28 | ????
Message:
EH?
J
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bafverfeldt1981
9/16/2002
09:38:25 | ;)))
Message:
Good ol' zoobrenok is only trying to put a cold on the debate...he is so cute.
Like you Joe- I swear if I was a woman :D
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moebile1
9/16/2002
17:45:22 | Great poem ravenloche
Message:
Who started the poem wars anyway? Beats me how they think they can get anywhere that way against songwriters. Hummm.
Anyway, better watch qiwi, I think he's going over the edge.
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b0bbyfischer
9/16/2002
18:38:40 | moebile1=ravenloche
Message:
Why are you talking to yourself?
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zoobrenok
9/16/2002
18:52:14 | b0bbyfischer
Message:
Why?
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b0bbyfischer
9/17/2002
02:44:22 | zoobrenok
Message:
Yes...why...W-H-Y?
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zeox
9/17/2002
03:09:38 | OH HELLO BOB....
Message:
Havent seen you in a while. Wanna carry on where we left off?
VAMP....Oh you cutie-pie! Buy me a drink and Ill think about it.
J
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bafverfeldt1981
9/17/2002
04:13:28 | BACK TO TOPIC!
Message:
"I speak to G-d on a daily basis, and He answers me! Not only that but I have seen angels, and demons, and have been spoken to by both."
Ravenloche 8/31/2002
I would like some comments please.
ME? Well after laughing about 5 min I became rather serious seeing the obvious pride in the statement. Statements as these proove what I have so long tried to tell the believers; their faith is not correct- it is ugly and diabolic.
I'm not sure whether Moebile1 or Ravenloche knew what they were indulging in when they started writing rhymes but believe me- it served it's purpose ;)))))
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zeox
9/17/2002
04:47:26 | OSCAR....
Message:
So what is ugly about what he said?
You can not beleive it if you want and to be honest I dont either,
but what is so ugly and diabolic about it?
J
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moebile1
9/17/2002
07:40:01 | Oscar
Message:
It would seem it's you who started the poem thing there above...
bafverfeldt1981
[ rate: -1 | +1 ]
9/15/2002
10:40:12
What is so "ugly and diabolic" about faith?
Hope you can discern those voices in your head there pal. :)
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zeox
9/17/2002
08:08:31 | HEY MOEBILE!
Message:
I got a pic!
On the profile!
Yeah youre religious and Im not.
Nuff said
J
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moebile1
9/17/2002
15:34:58 | zeox
Message:
Hey, nice pic of ya there.
Only, what was the religious line about?
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b0bbyfischer
9/17/2002
15:48:36 | faith
Message:
Also known as what the guys had that crashed into the WTC. "ugly and diabolic" I think!
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zoobrenok
9/17/2002
15:50:23 | b0bbyfischer
Message:
What is your point?
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qiwi
9/17/2002
15:55:39 | Moebile...
Message:
It's me again...
1) You're way to pleasant.
2)This is going to be more difficult than I thought.
"Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own eyes"
Proverbs 26:5
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zoobrenok
9/17/2002
16:53:08 | qiwi
Message:
"Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own eyes"
Proverbs 26:5
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Here is something else to concider as well:
bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=NIV&passage=Matthew+11%3A15-19&x=9&y=9
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qiwi
9/17/2002
18:07:32 | Zoobrenook...
Message:
Thanks...
p.s. We think your bull costume is great!!!
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ravenloche
9/17/2002
20:57:05 | Qiwi and Oscar
Message:
Since you have asked me, consistantly, to respond
to the statement I made I will give you my answer.
Please note that even though you don't believe the
scriptures, I do, and rely upon and use them as a
reference. To be able to answer you from a view
that is theological I must use scripture.
I am going to break up my statement into three
seperate points, and will respond to each one of
these points individually.
1)I speak to G-d and He answers me
webster defines the word pray as follows:
pray (pra), v. to talk to G-d in worship or in asking
for something
webster defines the word prayer as follows:
prayer (prer) n. 1)the act of praying
2)a humble and sincere requuest, as to G-d
Jeremiah 33:3 reads as follows: call unto me, and I
will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty
things, which thou knowest not.
Please note that when we call upon the L-rd there
is a promise that He will answer.
Matthew 6:7 ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find, knock, and it shall be opened
unto you.
If anyone in sincerity will knock upon the doors of
heaven, then G-d will hear, and answer.
The book of Ephesians tells us that we can come
boldly before the throne of grace, to obtain help
and mercy in time of need. The only requirment?
to COME BOLDLY before the throne of grace.
2)I have seen angels, and devils
Gen 32:1 and Jacob went on his way, and the angels of G-d MET him.
Luke 12:9 But he that denieth me before men shall
be denied before the angels of G-d
Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you , there is joy in
the presence of the angels of G-d over one
sinner that repents
Rev 12:7 and there was war in heaven; Michael and
his angels fought against the dragon; and the
dragon fought and his angels.
3)I have spoken with angels, and devils
Zechariah 4:1 and the angel that talked with me
came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep
Luke 8:30 and Jesus asked him saying, what is thy
name? and he said, Legion; because many devils
were entered into him
there many more verses that tell of angels, demons,
and the fact that they will converse with man. I am
going to list the references below for a few if you
would like to check them out:
gen 19:1-15 † gen 28:12 † exodus 23:20
matt. 8:31 † Luke 4:11 † numbers chapter 22
Hebrews tells us that Jesus is the same yesterday,
today, and forever. Isaiah tells us that YHVH said
He was the L-rd G-d and he changed not.
If G-d would speak to people in the bible, and He
does not change then tell me why I am considered
a less than sane person when he speaks to me!
If angels spoke to men in olden days, then why do
you presume that they will not speak to men of
G-d in this day and age?!
I am no better than anyone else on this earth, with
one exception, and I say this not to brag, but
only to express a point.
I AM WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF G-D!
I have done my best to answer your questions, and
hope that my answer is satisfactory.
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moebile1
9/18/2002
10:20:24 | I just need to step forward
Message:
To clear up a single point. In ravenloche's post above, in point #3, the legion here does not refer to our very own legion.
Just wanted to clarify. :)
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legion
9/18/2002
11:45:13 | Huh?...Wha...
Message:
...Someone mention my name?
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bafverfeldt1981
9/18/2002
13:29:52 | oooooooohhh.....
Message:
headache please rip me out of this lunatics words so I can prosper in peace...
I cannot reply Ravenloche other than say: what?
After reading, feels like rows of mindless bible-babble references, I finally finsshed through your copied work to find nothing there other than, exactly like usual, different ways to reexpalin stpuid postings of pride...
You just try to cover up.....like you have done since post one.
Remember though- I see you and I know what you go for...
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qiwi
9/18/2002
18:33:48 | Ravenloche....
Message:
I have just finished reading an interview with a Bolivian woman, Katya Rivas, who has also been spoken to by G-d. Not only that but Jesus, Mary and St Michael have also appeared to her in bodily form.
A couple of queries....
1) When G-d spoke to you did He ask you to take off your shoes?
2) Has Jesus appeared to you?
If so, what colour was his hair?
Was it wavy or straight?
Did he have a sun-tan?
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ravenloche
9/18/2002
19:26:48 | oscar
Message:
You will not be able to change, or remove my faith.
I will not change your erronious views. In this
subject I would suggest that we agree to disagree.
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ravenloche
9/18/2002
19:29:50 | Qiwi
Message:
If you would spend half as much time and energy
seeking G-d as you spend seeking to disprove H-m
you would be amazed at the results!
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bafverfeldt1981
9/18/2002
20:48:36 | Hrafnin
Message:
As posted in anotehr thread I to think that I you seek God you will find him.
Although:
1, Can't you get satisfaction and the strongest of strong feelings just by being with people and experiencing things in real life without imaginary support?
2, You create God in your mind when you wish him so hard to exist. HHR is a splendid example of that.
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bafverfeldt1981
9/18/2002
20:49:27 | and don't worry Hrafnin
Message:
I am not trying to steal your faith. I'm just questioning it for your own sake.
Someday you will see...
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zoobrenok
9/18/2002
21:29:09 | bafverfeldt1981
Message:
Why do you think ravelonche needs your help and how do you know who will be on the winning side in the long run?
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bafverfeldt1981
9/18/2002
22:16:35 | zoobrenok
Message:
Well maybe he doesn't need it, maybe I don't have anything to offer...
There is no winning side.
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zoobrenok
9/18/2002
22:42:36 | bafverfeldt1981
Message:
Ron Kenoly has a beutifull song called "Winner Man".
Bible refers to Jesus as Winner Man because Jesus overcomed powers of the darkness and brought of hope to the world. Hope that we can do better. Hope that we can be better. Hope that this world can be changed.
There is a winning side and its with Jesus and that is what we've been talking here about for past half a year plus.
Jesus is an answer to all your problems. You can walk away from it and stay where you are, or you can accept it and see how things are being changed for a best.
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bafverfeldt1981
9/18/2002
22:53:11 | Well
Message:
I don't like Jesus.
The godly part of him was great.
The human part of him was like the rest of us.
He was partGod and should therefor, even if I have a huge ego, not apply to me. His actions are different from what a mere human would have done.
Zoobrenok- I would like to personally thank you for the oppurtunitys you give me. I have no fear or doubt about your belief- never had. You are strong.
//oscar
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zoobrenok
9/18/2002
23:07:23 | Re: Well
Message:
"His actions are different from what a mere human would have done."
Have you been reading Bible lately? Here is a scripture that would explain why I have this question to you:
John 5:19
John 8:28
John 8:42
John 8:54
John 20:21
As always, you can find all those scriptures online at bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible
By the way - I just noticed that they also have Commentaries available for every scripture. Can you imagine how much time it would've saved me during discussions with qiwi if I to know that information I am searching the web are right under my hands?
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bafverfeldt1981
9/18/2002
23:22:47 | Zoobrenok
Message:
Think for yourself- don't let anyone else tell you how to translate the Bible! Please! Use your own mind for that!
Hmmm let's see..I have a Bible in my shelf since confirmation ;)))
John 5:19- Uhmm not sure what that would tell me. Jesus does everything his father does.....ok? God told Jesus to sac himself. Jesus begged not to. Contradictory? Think it prooves my point.
8:28- About the same statement again. Don't tell me you are leading me around in circles spending my time for nothing?
AAAAAAAAyyyyyee my eyes. John 8:43 clearly lacks class ;)) God have rather little power when everyone that don't believe in him ends up in hell. Well where can I get tha card for a premium membership? Btw- with the massive force of hell. Why doesn't the devil just conquer heaven...OH MY! Maybe it is already done..that would explain a lot!
Oh well...
8:42 Same again :(
8:54 Ok saaaaaame lame again :((((((
Ok biiig surprise. 20:21 the same again which I already refuted after your first assignment.
20:23 is much better.
WARNING! Translating from swedish!
Johannes 20:23
"If you forgive someone his sins, they are forgiven, and if you tie someone to his sins, he is tied."
Oh wow. New worlds of exploration!
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zoobrenok
9/18/2002
23:37:11 | bafverfeldt1981
Message:
"Don't tell me you are leading me around in circles spending my time for nothing?"
How did you guess? Was it too hard or too easy?
I was trying to show you that reason Jesus did a lot of "strange" things was because He was not doing what an ordinary person with no knowledge of God would do, but He was doing exactly what God told Him to do and the road He has choosen to follow was to the cross to pay for our redemption.
I am not in the mood to get into another debate about what scriptures mean.
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"Jesus begged not to"
Where did He do it and was the ultimate result? I don't see contradictionary anywhere because of what was the ultimate result.
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"Why doesn't the devil just conquer heaven..."
Have you been following me lately? :-)
Devil did try to rebel and take over heaven. per Bible 1/3 of all angels followed him. But don't forget that they all were quickly taken care of by God's "musketeers" (spelling - ?) - a smal elite special strike force of angels lead by ..... (pardone my spelling...). Devil was stroke down from heaven, though sin of Adam and Eve took over the Earth, but then Jesus came and took back what belongs to His Father.
So, why would you care about someone who couldn't even pass the first level (in Quake3 terms)??
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"Well where can I get tha card for a premium membership?"
You need to fill out a membership form. If you are still interested, I can post one here.
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"WARNING! Translating from swedish"
If I translate your translation from Swedish to Russian, we would get exactly what is written in my Bible, nothing new to explore. :-)
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hey - I gotta go to sleep now.
tell me, how much 5-7 year old BMW 525 goes in Sweden for?
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zoobrenok
9/18/2002
23:38:01 | bafverfeldt1981
Message:
If you can read it, email me.
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rudolph
9/18/2002
23:54:08 | hmmm
Message:
interesting.
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moebile1
9/19/2002
21:11:15 | qiwi
Message:
In answer to your question...
>>>...Has Jesus appeared to you? If so, what colour was his hair?
Was it wavy or straight?
Did he have a sun-tan? <<<
Revelation 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Why would he need a tan when...
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of G-d did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
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moebile1
9/19/2002
21:12:01 | Matt
Message:
What is Hrafnin?
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moebile1
9/19/2002
21:16:13 | Sorry Matt
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I meant Oscar. But then, Oscar is banned right now.
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moebile1
9/19/2002
21:25:18 | Hey zoobrenok,
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Looks like when Oscar went, you lost your debating partner.
Want me to improvise?
Let's see... um...
I'm trying to find that passage in that sweedish bible but I'm having trouble reading it... please give me a moment...
Oh yea. Are you so narrow minded? I think you are so bent on your Christianity, and yourself, that you can't, or won't see my point. You're too biased mister! So tell me, just why can't the devil and his 1/3 take over heaven. Huh? Well, I knew you couldn't answer.
(How am I doing?) ...:)
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moebile1
9/19/2002
21:28:38 | zoobrenok
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Oh well...
8:42 Same again :(
8:54 Ok saaaaaame lame again :((((((
Ok biiig surprise. 20:21 the same again which I already refuted after your first assignment.
20:23 is much better.
WARNING! I think I was mis-translating from swedish!
hehehe
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moebile1
9/19/2002
21:29:56 | Hey
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I tried to tell you my reading swedish wasn't so good. I think I'll just hafta wait til Oscar comes back.
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zoobrenok
9/19/2002
22:15:21 | moebile1
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I think it is time we should use wisely to sharpen our swords and fix our armor :-).
On a serious note - a lot has been said and if we all take a break, I don't see how it can go against us.
Meanwhile - why don't you join party at victord house in Social Chat? Just remember that all "heated" debates are still for FW.. Unless of course you need some additional time to work on you helm... :-)
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