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queslett
1/13/2005
01:46:17
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 Subject: players who lose by running out of time
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without naming individuals, it has come to my attention that individuals who are lin a losing position let there games fizzle out by not making a move and so lose on time.
This is frustrating, waiting for a move that never comes..
I have checked losses by these players and they seem to lose by time more often than not when in a bad or losing position
the odd one due to uncontrollable circumstances I can understand, but on a regular consistant basis?
what are other members thoughts on this?
th
kind regards
queslett
enfgland
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mormel12
1/13/2005
01:58:55
[ report this post ] | i think
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it's bad sportmanship and if you wanna avoid this, just check the profile for time outs before you join a game:)
Greetings
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ccmcacollister
1/13/2005
02:27:03
[ report this post ] | Me Too ...
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I've had a few, but due to circumstances, not from spite or some unwillingness to Resign a loss. So I agree with mormel12 that it is not sporting in such circumstances. And perhaps some do not consider it like a real loss by them then, tho IMO it is just as much so as any other loss. Even so with an accidental or unavoidable Timeout.
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There is a reason now existing tho, where a player might consider it to his advantage to time out. Because of the GK-Data Base. Because games that end by Timeout do not get put into the D-Base here, I can see where there may be some
practical advantage as a player, to avoid having a game where one got outplayed in some favorite variation, show-up in the D-base where everyone on GK can then use his opponent's ideas against him again, repeatedly. Perhaps forcing him to abandon the line completely if he cannot improve upon his own play there. (True the game might show up in his game history anyway, if they check there, but there are other ways around that too. Such as private games, or lapsing membership to have games erased.)
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But an interesting aspect of that would be putting a game into the D-base where he lost, but having an improvement all ready ... then perhaps starting a mini-Tmt for that opening only, and .... well you know. It has been said that sometimes GM's
would forget to mention an improvement in their Book/Annotations. Or a hole in their analysis. Could it be possible ???! }B-)
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I think it may have been GM Larry Evans or WC/GM Robert J. Fischer who said we should consider whether an annotator is making a living as an Active Tournament Player as well as a Chess Writer. So stated or implied that in such case their notes might want to be given due scrutiny. However, in a way it can be a very positive situation for a Corr Chess Player to find a GM analysis that has an idea good "missing". And it tells you just what players to look to for such ideas as lurk there, which can be found by you ... at the expense of your own opponents who haven't looked as hard. 8-)
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I do want to say, I am not recommending Timingout in lieu of proper Resignations. But at the same time, it is a shame that making a good resignation may serve to penalize a players future games. Wonder what others think about this D-base aspect ?!
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About the timeouts, if a player gets too many, Mike may remove them from GK . No idea how many is too many tho. But players have been removed, particularly for mass timeouts.
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crazycanuck
1/13/2005
13:43:11
[ report this post ] | Timing out ...........
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I think will always be a problem in correspondence chess. I know that it is very frustrating! I have had a few of them lately, especially in team games. I know that I'm not a GM but would just love to be one. But at least be humble enough to admit when the game is lost. You get my respect and the respect of other players that play against you. It was Robert Fischer who had said. Bobby was insightful enough before he lost touch with reality. Still one of the strongest players who ever played the game.
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juanito166
1/13/2005
14:14:21
[ report this post ] | Unrated game
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One of my opponents has (unrated game) by his nickname on our game heading. I cannot find out what this means, but when I beat him, my rating doesn't improve. What is that about? Juanito166
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blackbaron
1/13/2005
14:28:35
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erm...its means its an unrated game Homer..as in doesnt affect either players rating
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astinkyfart
1/13/2005
18:50:28
[ report this post ] | mormel
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hindsight is 20/20 of course thats the solution if we had to come up with one but i would say very few of us investigate our opponents or even have the time to. i know i for one never do.
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mormel12
1/14/2005
00:46:13
[ report this post ] | astinkyfart
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i don't either, but i don't care that much, so...:)
It was just a hint:)
I should actually point out it isn't fool prove either, because it can happen that people who normally won't time out have a serious problem, so they won't be bale to acces here and will time out. If they have a lot of on going games then, it'll show up in the stats as well.
Never mind:)
Greetings
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doctor_knight
1/20/2005
11:56:10
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I know this topic is a little old, but I have something to say.
If you look at my rating, it's horrible. Know why? Because first of all, on the computer I normally access Gameknot Javascript is disabled alot (at school and they security to keep you from turning it on). Plus I'm ussually pretty busy. Alot of times I can't get to gameknot in time to postpone my games and stuff, so I get alot of timeouts. In most of my timeouts, I probably had at least descent chances of winning, and in some it was innevitable that I won, but the stinking time limit.
This is more anoying than people who are losing and just timeout. In fact it's infuriating. I won't mention any names, but when I tried to reinstate my games, some people (the ones I was going to crush) canceled the reinstatment and basically stole points from me. It's infuriating and cowardly.
Sorry I had to let out some steam.
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muppyman
1/20/2005
12:11:33
[ report this post ] | doctor_knight,
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nobody has "stolen" any points from you, under the rules of this site they are perfectly entitled to decline any replay, and in any case the points would still be gone even if they agreed on reinstatement, read the rules. Mike does as much as he can to make allowance for members who cannot get to their computers regularly.
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hari
1/22/2005
02:35:56
[ report this post ] | For accidental timeouts...
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If you like to avoid accidental timeouts start game with higher days per move. I often play games daily as far as possible even though I will start new games with 7 days per move or higher to avoid a timeout situation. If your net connection/work load do not permit you for a regular play, try this option other than postpone option. for purposeful timeouts, I dont have any suggestion.
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doctor_knight
1/24/2005
12:03:03
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that's what I have started to do. And yes muppyman, I know that points weren't "stolen" from me, it's just quite annoying to lose a perfectly good game because of outside (and unpreventable) circumstances. I guess I really wanted to warn anyone who takes mormel12's suggestion that I don't just let time run out, I would rather resign anyway and not have to worry about the game anymore.
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mormel12
1/24/2005
13:06:09
[ report this post ] | hey
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i told you it's not fool prove:)
Greetings
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tmb1969
1/25/2005
05:48:43
[ report this post ] | Newbie Timeouts
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I have had a number of "newbies" time out on me because they do not understand how this site works. They do not understand, for example, that a 3-Day per move time limit means that I have the next 72 hours to respond. While I will typically respond quicker to opponents that I see are on line, I can have up to 50 games going simultaneously and will go down the list until I get back to their game. I will see comments such as "R U There DUDE?". When we don't finish the game in one sitting, the newbies decide that don't like the Gameknot format and move on.
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crockett1947
3/06/2005
16:29:39
[ report this post ] | reinstatement
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I have an opponent who is asking to reinstate a timed-out game for the second time. The first reinstatement was timed out like the original game. Ergo, I received a "gift" of rating points for having "won" again. I'm waiting for him to respond to a private message assuring me that he won't time out a third time! How many times may a game be reinstated?
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coyotefan
3/08/2005
06:34:01
[ report this post ] | Anyone who cannot get to a computer regularly
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Should think about not playing here. This site has rules, and if the rules do not work for your situation, maybe this site is the incorrect place for you.
In my profile, I am very clear that i will NEVER accept a reinstatement. I feel that it is very disrespectful to your opponent to time out. With libraries, Internet cafes, wireless connections, friends, family and other various ways of accessing the net for about three clicks, I find it a lame excuse that for three days (or longer) someone could not find a computer to postpone. It just is a matter of priorities.
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sherbert
3/08/2005
10:45:29
[ report this post ] | I agree with you
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coyotefan If there are many places to access the internet, so that you can at the very least postpone your games untill you are better able to continue.
With that said there are always circumstances that arise from time to time that will prevent you from accessing the internet and timeouts happen.
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