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ibeben 1/14/2005 09:05:38 [ report this post ]	Subject: Gameknot Titles Message: Hi All! I just had an idea wich I want to share with you.... Isn't it an idea to include titles in gameknot? I.E. gameknot master, gameknot grandmaster and gameknot canditate master? The norms can be scored via the Gameknot tournaments and maybe via tournament invitations for the very good players? I think it is a nice idea to see some of the very good players caring a masters tilte. :) I don't know if this idea has been posten before or if it realisable, but imho it deserves attention. Cheers IBeBen
ccmcacollister 1/14/2005 10:26:24 [ report this post ]	Yes it's been posted before ... Message: ibeben sometime since I joined Dec 2003 and believe it was MIke / Gameknot_com that brought it up, to see what players thought of it. IN general I think the result there was that some liked it, some did not, but quite a number suggesting that titles would be alright if they specified something like GKGM, which would not be confused with GM (and other titles) from FIDE or ICCF. And the latter is basically how I felt about it. (Does anyone remember that thread differently please speak ? I didnt follow it ultra-closely at the time.) Also, I would favor just awarding Expert at 2000, Master at 2200, Senior Master at 2400 ... as I believe most organizations now do. As far as Qualifying Norms, didnt even FIDE give them up and switch to rating based titles some time ago? ICCF or anyone still using Norms? Perhaps they might make sense for GM titles still. I did like them for FIDE GM and IM when used. But seems like GK's rating system is stable enough and parallel enough to other long established orgs of corr play, I dont see any reason not to simply award up thru/including GKM as a function of Rating alone, IMO. While GK is not PURE-ELO it's close enough it shouldnt seem to matter much.
ccmcacollister 1/14/2005 10:41:47 [ report this post ]	PS ... Message: USCF has tried a program to recognize players attaining any given level in Class play as well. I don't see any reason why it is not just as valid to recognize those accomplishments as well. For instance they have a letter of the alphabet to show up after a players rating in the rating list indicating the highest class attained by that player. Being computerized as Gk is it would be a simple matter to put an (A) or (c) etc following or preceding player Niks, and I personally generally favor any such measures that tend toward greater recognition of every player's achievement in Chess but suspect some will call this excessive since even now the Profile pages do list highest rating achieved and also give the graph info.
crazycanuck 1/15/2005 20:47:10 [ report this post ]	Norms ............ Message: as they are called are still required to obtain different levels of recognition. At least here in Canada. Unless that has all been changed too. I have always understood it that the Masters and higher have to obtain norms to achieve the level of play. Those that have their titles, such as Kasparov, Kramnik and Anand have to praticipate in a number of tournaments and finish at a pre conceived level to keep their GM's title's. I would welcome the different classes or levels. Such as "C" class and Candidate level(Expert level), Master and so on. I kinda kept an eye on the debate and I believe it got nixxed because of the amount of negative feedback on that. I would still like to see it put to a vote to see if the results would be the same as they were about a year ago.
jjw109 1/15/2005 22:43:34 [ report this post ]	lifetime recognition Message: My understanding of titles such as FM, IM, and GM are that they are lifetime titles, meaning play does not have to continue after the title norm is achieved, nor does if play continues it does not have to be at that same level. Once you are a GM you are always a GM even if you get in a car wreck, lose half your brain, and become a patzer like the rest of us!
ibeben 1/16/2005 01:21:36 [ report this post ]	Norms or titles? Message: At first, thanks for the reactions so far! The idea of ccmcacollister of awarding even grades like "a" "b" or "c" I like, so can even patzers like the most of us get a title or at least some sort of recognition. His other idea of awarding Expert at 2000, Master at 2200, Senior Master at 2400 I like a little less. Whats the thrill in that? I am eager enough to go for the win in a gameknot tournament or a titles mini-tournament or so to get a norm or title (offcourse this is all easy talk from me, considering that I will never reach that level of play to win a gameknot tournament at expert, which is quite realistic). But as said, whats the kick in it? Would you like to see something like....hey if I keep this lost match going for a while I win this and that match so I have reached 2000...so I am an expert and get the title? At least I won't... Cheers Ibeben
crazycanuck 1/16/2005 19:49:46 [ report this post ]	Stand corrected............ Message: I really wasn't sure what the case with the titles. I know when I was younger and learning to play this silly game that it was the case. I have been out of the loop of the chess world so I couldn't honestly say how the GM's kept their titles. Thanks for clearing that up for me jjw109.
fmgaijin 1/17/2005 01:28:29 [ report this post ]	Both Norms AND Ratings Message: FIDE titles still require norms, but one must ALSO achieve a specific rating in order to gain the title in the first place (2400 for IM and 2500 for GM). Once attained, the title cannot be "lost." The only aspect of titles that players objected to were the use of GM, IM, and FM because those may only be awarded by FIDE (for OTB) and ICCF (for correspondence play).
ccmcacollister 1/18/2005 23:56:08 [ report this post ]	Correction !?! Message: Another player has informed me that Commodore brought up the matter of GK Titles. I'm sorry & offer him my apoplexes about that, wherever he may be. }8-) *** Thanks for straightening me out fmgaijin . Very good to know that info. Both parts. :)
jjw109 1/19/2005 01:16:13 [ report this post ]	additional titles Message: Might we add some additional "titles," all of which I have previously held (and sometimes still am!). PZ = patzer PSN = pawnsnatcher PSL = pawnslinger WP = woodpusher GMWB = grandmaster wanna-be GMNGB = grandmaster never-gonna-be
zucan 1/19/2005 06:37:38 [ report this post ]	Hrmmm... Message: I feel like I have already achieved several of those titles... is it okay to have more than one? Zucan
fmgaijin 1/19/2005 11:13:05 [ report this post ]	International Grape Masher Message: . . . another title to which one might aspire. Since someone asked me (privately) about it, I'll add that the FIDE FM title is gained by a "norm" of holding a FIDE rating over 2300 for a period of 25 games. That too is a lifetime title.
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