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ironbutterfly
11/01/2007
10:54:51
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 Subject: ok to resign a game after 1/2 move!?
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Here's my dilemma, and I haven't been able to find anything relevant in
the GK rules: I've been waiting over a month for my last game in a mini-tournament, and recently received notice the game was to begin. I made
my first move, and when I went back to check on the game's status,
I discovered the other player has just taken a 30-day time out. I don't
want to wait a month to start the game - I'd rather resign, even though
that may cost me first place in the tourney. I take my games very
seriously - I only have two time outs in 5684 games. Is there any rule on GK
that anyone knows about that says I can't resign after my first move?
Thanks, all -
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ionadowman
11/01/2007
12:49:34
[ report abuse ] | Annoying though it is...
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... I would suggest you just bear with the inconvenience with as much patience you can muster. It is quite possible your opponent has a very good reason to postpone, and, knowing your game was about to begin shortly, had to wait until it began in order to postpone and avoid the risk of timing out. It would have been nice if he had given some reason for the postponement, but one has to suppose it was good.
To express some kind of solidarity, I had a while ago a game that lasted the best part of a year - a 100-mover, but one in which my opponent's several postponements amount, I reckoned, to 3-4 months off. Infuriating! But I fancied my winning chances in a R+2P vs B+N endgame, and I wasn't going to let that go.
Kia kaha! (Be strong!)
Ion
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blackbaron
11/01/2007
12:54:27
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I sympathise totally with ironbutterfly . I , like him , am keen to keep my mini tournamnets ticking over quickly , and have in the past resigned games against lower rated opposition that were ponderously slow or prone to postponing. Call me impatient , but I would rather lose rating points than be held up. Rating points are easy come , easy go
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muppyman
11/01/2007
13:14:29
[ report abuse ] | resign???
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Of course one can resign after making only one move, but I think I would view it like this: "I take my games seriously" and I have a shot at first place in this tournament. Chess is a game of war, and there is simply no way I am going to give up an important game without even a shot fired or a sword unsheathed, just because I am tired of waiting for my foe to arrive. ironbutterfly, my advice to you would be please don't do the royal game a dis-service by turning your back on the field of honour. Let your patience be rewarded. Remember too that your opponent has to face a very important adage, "The inevitable is unavoidable" Good luck in the game, you should play it. :)
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buddie
11/01/2007
13:58:44
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Not a good idea, ironbutterfly.
If word got round that you would rather resign than play out a long game, people who got in a bad position against you could simply postpone in the expectation of getting a cheap and undeserved win.
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cascadejames
11/01/2007
18:55:04
[ report abuse ] | two and 1/2 moves
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Unfortunately for your plan, unless the site programing has changed, I believe the game needs to be in the third move before GK will allow you to resign. I am not going to argue for or against this. I am just saying that is the way things set up. I was on the opposite side of this. I needed to stop playing for about 3 months; I didn't want to time out; and I didn't want to hold up the mini-tournament. So I tried to resign some games, but learned I could not do it immediately.
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insuk
11/01/2007
20:21:12
[ report abuse ] | Don't do it!
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I just took a look at the tourney in question. You and the one in 2'nd place both have one game left... against the same opponent who has just taken a 30 day time out. If he has the fortitude to stick it out while you resign, the chances are he is going to tie you for the tourney lead... the chance to win a tourney would make me stick it out, seeing how rare an occurrence winning one is...
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ironbutterfly
11/01/2007
21:06:34
[ report abuse ] | an added irony .....
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Thank you all for your thoughtful responses. The ethics of the situation, and early resignation in general, are complicated, at least to me. But what I was really asking was if there was some penalty on GK for resigning a game without giving "full and honest effort," as FIDE used to say. An irony in the situation is that my opponent has lost nearly 45 of his last 50 games, all by time-out. And there could, of course, be any number of valid reasons for that.
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chessnovice
11/01/2007
23:46:24
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There are guideline concerns about buffing up stats (usually based on resigning games that aren't lost), but I think in an isolated incident like this, GK wouldn't really fuss.
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ironbutterfly
11/02/2007
07:24:27
[ report abuse ] | early resignations
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As a factual follow-up to cascadejames' comments above - it is not
possible to resign a game in the first two moves; one is directed to
cancel it instead. But if you try and cancel it, you are told that
tournament games cannot be cancelled. So I'm in for the duration,
like it or not. Oh well, I needed to work on my patience anyway .....lol
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ccmcacollister
11/04/2007
14:58:11
[ report abuse ] | Well, Clark ...
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Since you have a month to while-away, I believe that GK allows us to make 10 Conditional Lines, up to 10 moves in length . . .
It might be something of a new type of challenge, to see if you might be able to hit 10 for 10 on one ... :))
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I did realize that we cannot CANCEL Tournament Games (nor League games either, if I recall correctly), but certainly didn't know a game cannot be Resigned during the first 3 moves !?! I can believe it, just that it is really surprising to me to hear of. Thanks for filling me in too, cascadejames .
I have seen gameknot_com write a reply in the Forums one time, which was just as chessnovice stated. In fact it was due to a very similar circumstance, now over three years ago. But at that time, one of the Fast-Playing lady players was saying the same thing, that she just did not wish to pursue games that had PP
involved, and had Resigned at least several for that reason. Some of the other players on the site were objecting to it on principle, but gameknot_com said that anyone has a right to Resign a game for any reason ... basically, unless it was so frequent as to represent Ratings Manipulation. Unless that has changed, I would think that it is okay. I'm happy to see this would not affect the outcome of others in the tournament in this case. But still it is too bad to see you have to risk your own well-earned outcome in it.
}8-)
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ironbutterfly
12/05/2007
18:50:27
[ report abuse ] | an update? finale?
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Thought in case anyone out there was interested, I'd post this update/finale:
I (patiently, actually) watched my opponent's 30 day time out get down to the last two hours or so ....... and then watched the emergency time out kick in for 5 more days ..... and that just ended in the last hour or so. So I won the game by forfeit/time out about 5 weeks later, and - it turns out - the tournament as well.
I do hope there weren't tragic reasons behind my opponent's disappearance.
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