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evader23
3/10/2008
10:52:50
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 Subject: cowardly or brillant
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I have a game vs raayda he has a king queen and rook I just a queen. I have been checking hime repeatly with my queen try to for a draw(50 move rule) because the fist move a don't check I am dead.
I think its brillant, but he called me a coward and want me to resign
So cowardly or brillant
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chessnovice
3/10/2008
11:03:42
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It's generally un-kosher to discuss active games, and similarly taboo to actually name the individual you're having an issue with.
Generally speaking, the argument of play the game out vs. resign is age-old. Some people might find drawing out an otherwise lost game disrespectful. Some would argue that the game is not over until the king is checkmated, and that you should do everything you can to avoid it. I think it's best to decide which side of the fence you are on, and follow through with your own philosophy (rather than someone else's).
If you do ultimately resign, it should be on your own terms. Not your opponent's.
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tim_b
3/10/2008
11:05:45
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We're not really supposed to talk about specific games in progress, but speaking generally, if your opponent can't force the win, it's not won. There's nothing wrong with trying for a draw.
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tim_b
3/10/2008
11:08:52
[ report abuse ] | p.s.
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oops! Sorry, chessnovice, cross posting there.
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gt2win
3/10/2008
11:26:42
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What your doing is both legal and morally right, if you can force a draw then you should attempt to do so regardless of how far down you are in material. If your opponent doesn't like that, then stuff him, he's totally wrong and you've got no case to answer.
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ionadowman
3/10/2008
11:46:34
[ report abuse ] | Correct...
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... tim_b, gt2win and chessnovice. Each player is entitled to play the game according to his own judgement, and evader23 is perfectly at liberty to play on in the light of his assessment of his chances of saving the game.
As far as opening this discussion whilst the game is still in progress, I can understand evader23's position. Without canvassing what his chances actually are (he merely states his own view without inviting any comment), he raises an important issue whilst it is current, concerning his opponent's attitude to his playing on. It is an issue that has been discussed before, but seeing the thing in action (so to speak) gives the matter an immediate context.
In general, if ever I received a comment like evader23's opponent's, I would flatly ignore it, or, if I had anything to say, invite the opponent to prove, by actual play, that he can win.
Cheers,
Ion
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evader23
3/10/2008
12:54:46
[ report abuse ] | thanks everyone
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everyone that posted gave me a good insight to it.
Chess novice: I wasn't bringing up the active game to discuss it in paticular and mentioned raayda name only to point out the exact game
Tim_b: thanks my thoughts exactly on the subject
gt2win: thanks that was the answer I was looking for
To everyone: The process by when I choose to resign is kinda complicated I have a few set rule but also exceptions to them
There was one other game when I was down material and and by a careful exchange and getting the intiative back I was able to force a draw by stalemate
And on a side note(gerenerl stratagy)
Intiative and tempo are important, yet difficult, concepts to grasp. It wasn't till about 2 years ago at and OTB tourney that I was able to untialize those to concepts to my advantage.
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tugger
3/10/2008
12:57:09
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it's neither brilliant or cowardly, it's chess.
but your opponent's conduct is not acceptable. i'd take longer to move, that will annoy him.
we can discuss the game itself when the game is finished. feel free to let us know when that is.
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marinvukusic
3/10/2008
13:51:34
[ report abuse ] | Funny
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From his profile: "Could you imagine what chess would be like if we could use all of our minds instead of just 10% ?"
Yet he doesn't want to try to actually win the game :O
Usually children behave like this when they think they should win but don't know how exactly to do it.
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ccmcacollister
3/10/2008
20:55:08
[ report abuse ] | It's like this ...
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If one is a coward for checking repeatedly, then he will be a coward if he checks you more than once. So when you quit checking him, then he gets only one check or he is a coward, by his own words. Thus if it is not mate in one when he gets his one check ... the game must Draw. Why would someone Resign a Drawn game?
Or is this a trick ... will he take many checks, then say "Aha I am a coward, but I knew that already, and so I win the game. For there is nothing in the rules about saying I cannot be a coward. In fact, I find it quite an advantage, as you can see" ?! }B-)
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skepticbob
3/11/2008
04:23:52
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Personally, if I am behind in material and I can manage a draw, I consider that a small victory, even if it isn't actually a "win".
And by the way, we don't just use 10% of our minds. That is a myth. We use the whole thing.
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lturner
3/11/2008
05:31:42
[ report abuse ] | As this is an active game
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I will not look at it, as it is a violation of GK rules, but in general, if you have a legit shot of forcing a draw either by 50 move rule or threepeat position, that is acceptable, but if you are just dragging out a totally lost game, you should be flogged!
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marinvukusic
3/11/2008
16:15:27
[ report abuse ] | After it is over
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This game should get annotated IMHO
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tjaalzchess
3/12/2008
09:11:23
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I tried the same thing in this game :  game
I also explained to my opponent that I was going to try to check her 50 times.
She managed to make a good move so that I couldn't check her anymore ( move 80 ).
I haven't looked at your game but I THINK there is always a move to prevent 50 checks. Your opponent just will have to work harder to win.
To me it cant be cowardly or brilliant as it is a rule in chess...
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omus
3/12/2008
11:29:56
[ report abuse ] | in any game
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in any game where one player has a superior material advantage it is important to keep the initiative. As soon as the other player has a chance to dictate the pace the game can be lost (or drawn).
Any move should be made after thinking carefully about not letting the opponent have a chance of being allowed to control the game.
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