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blundermaster
4/01/2008
20:45:49
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 Subject: Move confirmation / submit
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In profile you have option to choose "Move confirmation / submit". I think this option should never enable or should not available. When you make a move it considered you submitted the move, your opponent should not have an option to revert back the move he or she made.
This is can make your opponent to make all the possible moves before he can submit his move. I don't think OTB you can do such thing. I know this is not OTB but the concept it should be the same, then you have feel of playing real chess.
When you make a move in chess you are cannot revert back. I guess this is FIDE rule.
Welcome other's opinions on this suggestion.
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ccmcacollister
4/01/2008
21:22:44
[ report abuse ] | It would be ...
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much easier for him to do it on the Analysis Board, if he wanted to view all the possible moves. So I don't think many players would do that on the playing board.
By having the option of using confirmation or not, you can play without it and feel like OTB Chess. But I can play With it, and have the security that a computer or mouse error is not going to spoil a game with months of work into it. As I say this I am thinking of one online friend who told me how he made a blunder, when not using the SUBMIT button, by happening to sneeze right as the move was being concluded ...which made the wrong move~!
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tugger
4/01/2008
21:58:04
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i would not like to see the submit button removed, there are many times i've thought i was on the analyse board and made a crazy move, only to discover i'm actually about to sac my queen for real... luckily i can just cancel and go to the right board... if we remove submit, then many more mistakes will be made, and many games will be ruined... i would not want to win a game just because someone entered a move they didn't mean to...
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chessnovice
4/01/2008
22:48:23
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I think this is intended to be a correspondence chess site more than an OTB site. As ccmcacollister mentioned, an individual is more likely to go over every move on the Analysis Board rather than through the "submit move" option.
I used to have my move confirmation enabled because I was staunch about the "touch rule" and wanted to think of moves in my head (I refused to use the Analysis board for years), but then I came to realize that this site's setup is intended to allow you to think out all your moves more carefully.
I've fallen victim to at least one misplaced mouse click, and I'm sure others can say the same. It's a bad feeling, and is what prompted me to immediately switch to using move confirmation. I would never want to do without it, now.
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lighttotheright
4/01/2008
22:58:57
[ report abuse ] | Misplaced mouse click
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That is exactly what happened to me in my most recent loss. I did it while I was very tired. At first I noticed the mistake and meant to hit cancel. I was so used to hitting the submit button that that is what I ended up doing. Lesson learned. If you are tired, take a break...get some sleep before you try to make a move.
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chessnovice
4/01/2008
23:13:59
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Perhaps for the nighttime players, there should be a second confirmation prompt that asks, "Are you suuure you want to make that move?" ;)
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heinzkat
4/02/2008
01:47:52
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A Queen move to d7 instead of recapturing a Rook on d8 does make quite a difference.
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fsud
4/02/2008
05:51:54
[ report abuse ] | Or....
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blundermaster, I believe you should consider looking at it like this:
The player has not "moved" until he/she clicks the Submit button. At that time, the move has been made and it cannot be taken back.
ANYTHING that happens before clicking the submit button is a part of the "think-before-you-move" process.
I, for one, would be very opposed to dropping the "Submit" button.
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heinzkat
4/02/2008
05:53:48
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Good point. It's not like you already have made your move and then take it back.
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ganstaman
4/02/2008
06:01:33
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Instead of repeating what all have said, I'll make another related comment:
If you do have the "click submit to make your move" option selected, and you've made a move on the board but haven't yet clicked submit, and you want to cancel the move, I would recommend just clicking on the board again. It saves you from making lighttotheright's mistake of hitting "submit" instead of "cancel" and it has the same canceling effects.
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chuckventimiglia
4/02/2008
10:21:07
[ report abuse ] | In corrrespondence chess....
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a player at home can indeed make many moves on his board
before selecting the move he wants to send forward.
I do not think the analogy of OTB rules and the rules here
apply. This is a correspondence chess site and a player
does have the ability of moving on his board, analyzing that
move, trying another etc.
I think it is a good feature.
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wschmidt
4/02/2008
13:27:19
[ report abuse ] | I think, blundermaster,
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that your suggestion may arise from a misconception that shows up in your original message. You say, "I know this is not OTB but the concept it should be the same, then you have feel of playing real chess."
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This idea that correspondence chess, which allows for moving the pieces around, using opening books, lots of time, etc. is not "real chess" is pretty common. However, an argument can be made that it represents a purer form of chess where the mistakes induced by time pressure, fatigue, noise in the hall, calculation oversights, etc. are, for the most part done away with. Certainly many of us find we play better in correspondence games and the chess is more satisfying as a result. I certainly don't agree with you that one version is "real" and the other is not.
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That said, I'm perfectly comfortable with you electing for yourself the option of turning off the submit move option and imposing an OTB restriction on yourself at GK. It will handicap you against your GK opponents but will give you some additional insight into your strengths and weaknesses in oTB play.
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ccmcacollister
4/02/2008
13:35:48
[ report abuse ] | GANSTAMAN ...
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GOOD Point~! I will take that advice myself. In return, I offer This Chess Secret, that got me to where I am today LOL ...
If you have just clicked SUBMIT, and that reflex goes off, the one that always happens right AS you MOVE ... that says, OMG that is the worst %^& blunder of my LIFE!
As long as you have clicked DOWN on SUBMIT but not UNCLICKED yet, you can save the day. Very careful like a demolition removal expert ... drive your mouse off of the SUBMIT button and out of the immediate vicinity, and only THEN let it unclick. IF you are not on the SUBMIT, it should be as if you did not click it at all. And the move is not made. You can then change it, etc.
I believe the OTB parallel would be where you start to play Re2, realize as you do that it would be en prise, so you scoot on up to Re3 and pretend you intended to.
Or of course, having not released the piece, just put is back where it started and reveal you touched the Rook and will move it, then figure out Where. ;-)
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