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eagleeyes
4/12/2008
20:26:42
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 Subject: Game Postponement
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I think the current "postponement" option should be changed so that only the player who postponed their games can cancel.
Why? I recently postponed my games as was heading interstate for work for a few days. I managed to slip in a move before I actually flew out. Luckily, after being away for a couple of days I had time late one evening to go online from my hotel - to find that one player had cancelled my postponement. If I hadn't have been lucky enough to check I would have timed out.
I don't see why the cancel option should be available to anyone except the player who initially postponed their games.
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chessnovice
4/12/2008
20:41:27
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The postponement feature is based on the trust that you are too busy to make a move in the agreed upon time. The ability to cancel an opponent's postponement is offered to keep things fair for when the opponent might be breaching that trust. For the future, I recommend you resist the temptation to move while your vacation flag is up.
I understand that you couldn't anticipate being able to sneak a move in, but it's important to look at the opponent's point of view. As far as they know, you might be trying to grab some buffer time in your games. It's not unheard of, and for people who might be paying on a monthly/yearly basis, having their games delayed unnecessarily might seem like a waste of money.
I had an opponent that was running pretty low on time once, and wound up putting a seven-day vacation flag up. Same day, the opponent made multiple moves. I took a look at the user's profile, and saw that he had hundreds of active games. I chose not to cancel his postponement because he was likely overloaded. I won't usually cancel unless the user is obviously being malicious.
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thunker
4/12/2008
20:59:26
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Hear hear! Well stated. I concur. The current rules work fine I think.
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heinzkat
4/13/2008
07:17:24
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You shouldn't make moves while you're having a postponement. Seems reasonable.
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ogedei
4/13/2008
12:31:00
[ report abuse ] | Conditional moves?
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Will conditional moves put a postponement in jeopardy?
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muppyman
4/13/2008
18:21:26
[ report abuse ] | eagleeyes,
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you say you managed to slip in a move, but in fact you must have slipped in at least 5 moves to trigger the option for your opponents to cancel the postponement. The rules for postponement are very clearly stated, and if we disregard them, and then feel disadvantaged when the system kicks in, the fact remains that we have only ourselves to blame. If I drive on the wrong side of the road and collide head on with a car driving legally, I wont get much sympathy if I then ask for the road rules to be changed.
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kansaspatzer
4/13/2008
20:18:15
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I'm looking at the rules for postponements, and it says nothing about five moves. It says "if you continue to make any moves" which implies that one move is enough.
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muppyman
4/13/2008
20:50:17
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I did the same thing after I posted, and they might have modified it. It certainly used to be 5, but if one is enough now I am o.k. with that, its possibly even fairer.
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muppyman
4/13/2008
20:56:03
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This is from the faq page
Q15: My opponent postponed a game, what can I do about it?
A: If your opponent continues to make moves in any of his/her games, you will be able to cancel the postponement and restore the original time control of the game (as mentioned on the game postponement page itself). A link will appear on the game page that would let you do so after your opponent makes at least 5 moves (in any of the games). This is designed to prevent postponement feature abuse (for example, postponing and therefore stalling a hopelessly lost game, while continuing to play other games, etc. etc.).
So it looks like 5 moves still applies.
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lighttotheright
4/14/2008
07:59:27
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I've had many opponents make moves after they put their vacation flag up. Some players automatically cancel the postponement when this happens. One opponent of mine actually states that he will automatically cancel in his profile.
I look at it this way. If they put up the postponement, then they put it up for a reason. That reason may or may not be valid. I don't know. If they play more than one additional move during a game during a postponement, then I will use their postponement time to help me concentrate on other games--instead of cancelling it. I will wait until the very last few hours to make my move. You only get a limited amount of vacation time. If they use it up, then they cannot do it again. It is actually foolish to use it when the reason is not valid. By not making a move again, I force them to use up their vacation time.
If the reason was valid, then they will appreciate the fact that I didn't cancel it. If the reason was not valid, then they will not appreciate the fact that I used their time to concentrate on other games--and they won't likely know that I did that until after the fact. So, only use the postponement against me when it is a valid reason. You might regret it later--if not in our game, in future games when you really need the vacation flag.
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tmb1969
4/14/2008
14:20:51
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Bottom line: once you postpone your games, don't make any moves until you are sure you will have time to play regularly again.
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tim_b
4/14/2008
15:03:17
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FAO: ogedei
Hi! I've just been in the 'conditional move' section, the last 'please note' is:
• Conditional moves do not affect game postponements;
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kansaspatzer
5/11/2008
08:56:50
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I just had a player accuse me of bad sportsmanship for cancelling a postponement. No. If you postpone and keep moving, I will cancel it. I pay $40 a year to use Gameknot, and I want to get as many games in as possible.
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lighttotheright
5/11/2008
09:32:23
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Kansaspatzer, don't let it bother you. You have every right to cancel the postponement in that situation.
Whenever you move after putting up your vacation flag, you should expect it to be canceled. If it is not canceled, then either you got lucky or your opponent was being extra nice. There are some on GK that abuse the vacation flag feature all the time. I've even had someone abuse it while playing me an unrated game. Fortunately, those people are few and far between.
Next time someone accuses you of bad sportsmanship, tell them about the warning that GK gives. They clearly state that you should never make a move after you put up a vacation flag.
The only exception comes with conditional moves. If you plan to go on vacation and don't want to slow the game down, then use conditional moves - but make sure you input the conditional moves before you place that vacation flag.
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ccmcacollister
5/11/2008
10:02:51
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The PP canc. Rule has Always read that way ... 'if you continue moving' etc without mentioning any number of moves. But as far as I know, it still permits 4 moves without the cancel option activating against a PP.
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My own theory on that number, 4 allowed, is that it permits one to get a new game past the first 3 moves wherein an opponent can cancel that game individually, even tho being on PP. If that is not the reason, it is at least an effect made possible.
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I like the rule as it stands, myself. Perhaps GK could add a warning to the PP area that would show up when someone makes their PP ... to reiterate about the 5 moves and cancel option, if it does not now.
[I think the programming might be a lot harder to send them such a warning after they start making the moves? But whatever was done, I am sure it would not advise everyone with such certainty as to prevent any Cancellation surprise to someone in the future.]
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muppyman
5/11/2008
14:49:20
[ report abuse ] | Ambiguity?
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There is always the possibility that some of the instructions here are slightly ambiguous, so I think the most important rule should be: read the instructions, ALL of them. don't just skim over them, make certain you understand EXACTLY what is meant, and if you have any doubts ask admin or ask in the forum, but don't simply assume that your first, fleeting impression of what a rule means is the correct one. As the ancient king Solomon is alleged to have written "Get knowledge........and with all your getting, get understanding!"
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