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tugger
4/17/2008
21:07:01
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 Subject: threads under threat (deleted)
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and with that i'm gone. for real this time.
until the thread deletion system is sorted, and until gk buck up their ideas when it comes to the moderation of these forums, i'm going to stay in the clubs. i've had enough.
gk allow iturner to troll and abuse people for daring to ask a question, then ban munja for calling him childish.
and then you lot go and delete threads because you don't like them.
fine. if that's how it is, that's how it is. you lot have fun.
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ccmcacollister
4/17/2008
21:22:42
[ report abuse ] | tugger ...
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That thread just deleted was about 5 to 1 supporting it just earlier today, last I looked. Now BANG it is gone very quickly. Seems to support the thought that perhaps there still is a Deletion Voting group. Or one is being reformed. It was just too quick for coincidence & single decisions, imo.
Well I vote to support this one too, in honor of the last poor deceased thread...
}B-(
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ccmcacollister
4/17/2008
21:30:23
[ report abuse ] | PS ...
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I thought you had a Very Good IDEA there to have a thread just showing which of the threads were getting deletion votes. Apparently that rankles some folks, that others of us would be informed of their efforts. Which serves to put them in a new and different light to me. I had thought that they were just honestly concerned about the site, in their motives. Now it appears otherwise to me. That rather they simply served their own interest at the expense of all others here, imo. Shame shame, imo.
[ Is anyplace seeking an out-of-work dictator or two?! It somehow does not feel very democratic lately]
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pawntificator
4/17/2008
22:55:01
[ report abuse ] | I've never understood it
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I definitely agree that it should not be so easy for the teeming masses to delete a thread.
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ccmcacollister
4/18/2008
04:15:26
[ report abuse ] | Threat Status ....
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of This thread: 4 to retain, 0 to delete at this time.
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ccmcacollister
4/18/2008
04:37:28
[ report abuse ] | DELETED THREAD :
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This is about a thread that Was under threat of deletion, and in fact succumbed to it.
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I was wondering if anyone feels the same way about this ...that the thread titled, "Computer Software" should not have been deleted? While it was probably in the GK FORUM area incorrectly, it seems to me that a thread asking about features & availability of Chess playing software program (such as ChessMaster, mentioned there) was certainly within the realm of being Chess-related interest. And so if anything were done to it, it should have simply been MOVED to the CHESS FORUM area instead? And it would be topical there.
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I certainly see no way in which that Topic, that Thread, nor any of the posting in it, could have been seen as offensive or inappropriate. I makes me wonder if no one voting to delete it even gave the matter enough thought to consider it being Chess Forum related ?! Or was it just a case of Follow-The-Leader; wherein the Leader was the first one to vote deletion & without thought on it?
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And thinking further about it, it would seem the fact that such a program might be used to store ones GK games aor personal d-base info, might even raise a question of it in fact BEING topical to the GK FORUM. But if not, certainly for the CHESS FORUM it would be.
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pgroenborg
4/18/2008
05:55:39
[ report abuse ] | Stupid voting system
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Yes, I appreciate there has been trouble here in forums before my time, and I appreciate that there might be gloomy dark forces (LOL) at work here even now as we type away.
Well, tugger, you're letting the bad guys win, assuming they are there and that they delete in spite.
The way it is now is not to the satisfaction of the many good debaters here in the forum.
I think we should have a forum for the deleters where all the threads could be deleted, and then we should have a second forum, where we upon being granted access accept that there is a few appointed/elected admins, that have the right to kick you out of the forum (to join the deleters forum, ;-) ) and that you accept you only have the right to report abuse, not to delete.
I can name many grown up and respectful players here in the forums, that could start out as admins.
Wish GK would let us have ago at this to get a better forum working.
Why do we discuss things here? Because IT IS A SOCIAL SITE !!! (people who doesn't want to chat, can just play chess and be merry) And the rest of us can enjoy chatting and debating.
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chessnovice
4/18/2008
05:56:04
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I'm surprised that the thread was deleted, mainly because when I checked the "mod this thread' about an hour earlier, it was 7 votes keep vs. 1 vote delete. Either 16 votes came very fast, or Mike made a judgment call (which isn't impossible, considering we know he took at least one other action). If he does delete threads on occasion, I do with he would at least inform us of that rather than make the community begin some witch hunt within itself
I sympathize for munja100, since the first two sentences of his post made a good refuting point for those pressing the idea of only using e-mail for communication. And while I can see where he was coming from with his other comments, it wasn't the best idea to swear or outright attack another user. He let his emotions get the best of him, but I absolutely hope that his forum ban is a temporary one.
Ultimately, the best way to overcome trolling is to not lower ourselves to that level.
The computer software thread had me wondering too, but I assumed that maybe people didn't want to promote the use of analytic software while on this site. If that's the case, I suppose it might be understandable. But I agree, ccmcacollister, that it was gray at worst.
All in all, it is sad for you to leave, tugger, but I can understand your choice. I voted to keep this thread. Tally is 8 votes to keep, 0 to delete.
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chessnovice
4/18/2008
06:34:22
[ report abuse ] | forgot to mention...
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I think it's probably worth saying again, since it is now lost with the deletion of the "thread under threat" post:
I think it might be an improvement if the group were given the ability to delete individual replies, rather than only the ability to delete threads. The assumption that a thread was deleted because one user was insulting the thread author makes it seem a little unfair. It's as though one would have to make a choice between the desire to have their question answered and the desire to not be attacked.
Allowing the group to moderate individual replies would be a solution that accommodates both those desires.
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ionadowman
4/18/2008
17:56:07
[ report abuse ] | A question...
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... is it possible to vote more than once to delete a thread? I agree that the block voting that apparently occurred seems implausible.
If the site moderator is indeed deleting threads owing to mounting heat levels, with little light being shown on the issue being ... erm ... debated, maybe some kind if warning ought to precede the deletion. Something like "Keep it seemly, guys, or this thread is gone!"
Just a thought...
Cheers,
Ion
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muppyman
4/18/2008
19:04:11
[ report abuse ] | 13 to nil
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The voting at the moment is 13 to nil to keep the thread. If it was 13 nil to delete, the thread would be gone. Why does it not work the other way around. If it did this thread could not be deleted because it already would have far more that 10 votes more to keep it than to delete. Is any more proof needed to demonstrate the inequitable state of this voting system? It is, in my view, a reprehensible shambles.
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caro-kann
4/18/2008
23:23:09
[ report abuse ] | My opinion
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I agree, I do not like it when threads are gone before I even get a chance to look at them, and I would at least like to see the reasons (if any) why such threads are deleted.
I think that a previous suggestion works well (mentioned in another thread), that threads should be 'locked' and people cannot post to them, but still can see them. These locked threads will be forgotten in time too, as since people cannot post to them, they will sink lower into the forum thread list and eventually, no-one will look at them at all.
Or alternatively, if enough people think that the locked thread is not really foolish, pointless or going nowhere, they can 'unlock' the thread, let's say for example -10 (in favour of deletion) a lock, more keep than delete, an unlock, and -20 a permanent lock.
I feel that the idea mentioned above gives people a chance to see for themselves why such thread is locked, and then to move on.
As for the voting system, I agree that it is somewhat unfair that 10 in favour of deletion is delete, but nothing will ever result in a permanent keep, unless 50% of Forum users, minus 4 people vote to keep. For example, 100 people vote in forums. 46 need to vote'keep' in order to permanently keep.
That's my (rather long) opinion on this.
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ccmcacollister
4/18/2008
23:38:26
[ report abuse ] | Perhaps
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it would be nice if 10 delete votes would merely LOCK a thread to newposts for awhile, giving voters a chance to UNLOCK it if they get on and start voting to keep & the difference gets within 10 votes. Maybe not have it vanish for two or 3 days from deletion, to give everyone a chance to vote to keep if they wish to.
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chessnovice
4/19/2008
03:38:45
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I've tested that out before, for the sake of curiosity. If you try to vote more than once, the system negates your previous vote.
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ionadowman
4/20/2008
13:28:37
[ report abuse ] | Thought it ought...
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... to work something like that.
It seems to me that there's something about these "thread deleters" that is more than anti-social. A bit like the "Wowzer Brigade" how haven't figured out how to work the "Off" button on their TV remotes. You would think, wouldn't you, that if they didn't want to read about the topic, or enter into any discussion on the matter at issue, or really have anything much at all to do with other subscribers to the site, they would just do their own thing and leave everyone else to do theirs.
Nope. Typical dessicated souled curmudgeons who can think of nothing better to do with their time than to impose their own mean-spirited attitudes on others. You'd think they'd want to get a life, one of their very own, wouldn't you.
Cheers,
Ion
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easy19
4/21/2008
14:35:57
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I think that if you mod a thread and vote for deletion.
That you have to write down a reason.. ( no reason no vote)
And that wen it gets deleted those reasons are posted as final MSG including the names.
take the voting out of the anonymity and no group will be daring to abuse the vote system.
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