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wrecktangle
5/17/2008
19:15:36
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 Subject: postponement rule SUX!
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...OK, maybe this statement is a bit strong, but if you move even 1 time during the postponement, your opponents can TURN OFF your postponement and the clock starts at some unknown time (unknown because it is not shown to you) SO YOU'VE NOW GOT TO CHECK EVERYDAY TO SEE IF SOMEONE HAS RESTARTED YOUR GAMES!! And then, if you try to turn it off the postponement (to rectify the situation), you find you can't restart the postponement for a time equal to original postponement time!
I had only postponed one short time before and hadn't bothered to read the rules. SO BEWARE, THIS IS A MASSIVE GOTCHA!
(yeah, I know I'm yelling...I yelp when I get surprised :-)
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ogedei
5/17/2008
19:56:45
[ report abuse ] | sorry, but...
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You should probably mention that the rule sucks if you aren't aware of how it works and go ahead and try to abuse the postponement...
The postponement feature is fine if you apply it as it is intended. If your vacation flag is set, go on vacation. Don't make moves on gameknot...
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wrecktangle
5/17/2008
20:09:03
[ report abuse ] | ...so, I'M the abuser....???
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I didn't think making a move or two while away was so criminal... :-(
...when I played OTB, I got deeply into the rules and won a few games because I was a better lawyer than most...I didn't think I needed to do that here...
OK, lesson learned! I shall read the rules!
Thanks for the comment, I do need a slap once in a while...
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b123
5/18/2008
04:44:56
[ report abuse ] | At least 5 moves
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A: If your opponent continues to make moves in any of his/her games, you will be able to cancel the postponement and restore the original time control of the game (as stated on the game postponement page). A link will appear on the game page that would let you do so after your opponent makes at least 5 moves (in any of the games). It is intended to prevent postponement abuse (for example, stalling a hopelessly lost game, while continuing to play other games, etc.).
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muppyman
5/18/2008
14:47:52
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There is no "gotcha" at all. You stated the real problem very accurately when you said you "hadn't bothered to read the rules".
To criticise the rules without even bothering to read them seems to me to be a bit juvenile. If your postponement was voided after you made just one move during the postponement time, then you obviously didn't bother to read the instructions for postponement procedure either.
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wrecktangle
5/18/2008
16:13:28
[ report abuse ] | ...yep, I didn't read 'em...
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...I'd rather play chess than be a lawyer. Now, mind you, I was a lawyer when I played OTB, so I'll do it and take advantage with it...
...and muppy, careful with the juvenile stuff. Just 'cause you're a little older than the rest of us, you shouldn't lord it over us youngsters... :D
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kansaspatzer
5/18/2008
18:07:29
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If you postpone, that generally implies that you can't move. If you do move, that means that you really could move.
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mwc1945
5/19/2008
04:05:40
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Yes, the postponement rule does suck but not for the reason you stated. I am playing someone who postpones for 2 days every week, yes every week!! I have asked why and received no reply. I have noticed that he is sometimes online during his postponement so can only assume he is doing it to gain time on his clock. With 120 days allowed, he could do this every week of the year and break no rules and he does have 80+ current games. I have been able to cancel his postponement twice (something I don't normally do but in this case I think it's justified) which suggests that he is actually abusing the postponement facility. One of his other opponents actually resigned their games in the opening because no progress was being made. If have suggested that if he only wants to play 5 or 7 days per move, then he should not enter a 2 day per move tournament but again received no reply.
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chessnovice
5/19/2008
05:45:21
[ report abuse ] | mwc1945
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That's an unfortunate situation, but that kind of individual would probably abuse the system regardless of what form it takes. The overwhelming majority of people use the postponement feature fairly, it seems to me, so to disapprove of postponements because of one unsavory individual isn't really the best approach.
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tim_b
5/19/2008
06:40:24
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Maybe he does shift work or is on dialysis.
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chessnovice
5/19/2008
07:11:35
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Very interesting thought.
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mwc1945
5/19/2008
07:44:50
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I don't actually think there is anything wrong with the postponement rule as such, just the way it is being abused in this case.
If there is a genuine reason for postponing then why not let your opponents know, or at least respond when they ask for an explanation (and I did ask in a polite matter).
We have agreed a draw in one of our games so only 1 game is affected now.
I'm still not sure how the rule could be improved to prevent this sort of thing happening, some people may have reasons for not being able to move within 2 days, in which case don't enter 2 or 3 day tournaments.
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mwc1945
5/19/2008
07:51:07
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I've just checked and he is currently playing 96 games, so I guess he is overloaded and needs the extra time for that reason. Still not sure if that justifies postponing every week though.
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ccmcacollister
5/19/2008
08:08:33
[ report abuse ] | maybe ...
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he could be a U.S. fireman & working 24 hour shifts for several days in a row each week; and cannot play with certainty while at work ... but only when the workload is light and he might find time to make a few moves then, between fires & maintenance tasks.
Of course, if he did so and made over 4 moves, he would be subject to PP cancellations and might end up looking as if he wants to play in many games, as he simply tries to keep up with the Cancelled PP games . . . ?!
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wrecktangle
5/19/2008
13:41:56
[ report abuse ] | ...OK, I get it...
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...everything here at GK has been tweaked over the years because of the "abusers." The postponement rules are the way they are to limit the abuse. I just can't make a move while I'm on vacation...gotta get that thru my thick skull...
...but now, what about this move?...I'll just sneak it in and no one will notice...
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wanstronian
5/20/2008
01:25:18
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I don't like the way that postponement currently works. I was away last week and wasn't sure whether I'd have internet access, so I postponed until early this week. When I got to my destination I realised I did have access, so promptly logged on, cancelled my vacation flag and continued to play as normal.
HOWEVER, I now find I can't postpone again until the date when my original postponement would have expired, PLUS the length of the original expiry.
This seems nonsensical. I was acting in good faith throughout, and I would think the sensible thing to do would be to prevent subsequent postponement based on the number of days that the vacation flag was ACTUALLY set, rather than the original estimate. I now find myself in a position where I'm going away this weekend for three days and will DEFINITELY have no internet access, so I'll be forced to make rushed moves on my return as I'm unable to postpone until next week sometime.
The other problem is that even if you cancel your vacation flag, you still have to go ahead and cancel postponement in all your games. There is a stigma attached to the 'cancel postponement' link as it looks like you are continuing to make moves while under postponement.
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chessnovice
5/20/2008
03:53:30
[ report abuse ] | wanstronian
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I recently used the vacation flag, and turned it of early as well. I had wondered if I would still have to pay for those extra days that I didn't use, but I agree that it should not be so.
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