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derman53
8/31/2008
00:00:44
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 Subject: Added time
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Is it my imagination or are we getting an extra day each week? it seems like for the last three or four weeks that an extra day has been added (or at least additional time). Has anybody else noticed?
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muppyman
8/31/2008
00:32:53
[ report abuse ] | derman,
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You have been at this site since Aug 2007, and you have finally noticed that every Saturday an extra day is added? If you read the f.a.q. (frequently asked questions) page, you will find an explanation.
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heinzkat
8/31/2008
12:16:44
[ report abuse ] | For the reader's convenience:
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The "Help" link on the bottom of every GameKnot page leads you to the FAQ. The following link will even immediately take you to the specific question and answer:
 gameknot.com
You might want to read the rest of it too; a lot of issues are described, with possible solutions.
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acecommander
9/10/2008
06:38:11
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Today is not a Saturday or a holiday and I noticed that an opponents time to move changed from 23 hours to 1 day 10 hours on one game and from 2 days to 4 days on another game. These are team match games and although the opponent has been on line several times the past couple days, he has not moved in either of our games. Does anyone have an explaination for why this would occur?
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acecommander
9/10/2008
06:39:33
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I forgot to mention that this is not the first time this has occurred.
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heinzkat
9/10/2008
06:45:19
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The man probably postponed his games for two days and took off the vacation flag soon afterwards.
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acecommander
9/10/2008
06:50:31
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The opponent in question is playing over 90 games presently. Isn't it an abuse to postpone games in this manner constantly? This is the third or fourth time this has occurred. The opponent obviously can't keep up with all the games and the worse part is that he a team captain and is not setting a good example for his teammates. Should I report these actions or just get my revenge by creaming him on the board?
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heinzkat
9/10/2008
07:00:19
[ report abuse ] | What's wrong about postponing games?
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Nothing. It's within GameKnot's normal practice. The amount of games isn't of importance. You may do the same when you only have three in progress.
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ganstaman
9/10/2008
11:14:53
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"Should I report these actions or just get my revenge by creaming him on the board? "
It's not reportable because it's fully within the rules. And why the need to get revenge? What did he do wrong?
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acecommander
9/10/2008
15:13:45
[ report abuse ] | Clarification
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Maybe I'm not making myself clear. The opponent in question has used the vacation flag 3 or 4 times and later in the day removed the flag, adding days to his allowable time, and you're telling me that it's within the rules? You're telling me that the rules allow a member to use the vacation flag as his own personal time management technique? That is not the intent of the vacation flag, and if it is, then the rules should be changed so that the intent of the rule is not corrupted.
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heinzkat
9/10/2008
15:44:56
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Everyone can take the extra time at any time as they wish/need.
The only limitation is that there are rules to prevent the continuous postponing of games - after someone has postponed their games, they cannot use another postponement for a certain period.
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acecommander
9/10/2008
15:51:00
[ report abuse ] | Time Period
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You refer to the rules but fail to quote them or refer me to the link so I can read them. If a game is postponed by a player with a vacation flag, what is the time period before he can use the vacation flag again, and is it different for subscribed members vs. non-subscribed members?
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muppyman
9/10/2008
15:57:10
[ report abuse ] | acecommander
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If you take just a few moments to read the postponement rules which are clearly posted on this site, you will see that everything your opponent has done, including removing the vacation flag, is completely in compliance with both the spirit and intent of the rule. It can be embarrassing to make assumptions about what an opponent is thinking or what his motivation might be, especially when it happens to be none of our business if his actions are clearly within the rules set out by the administration of this site.
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muppyman
9/10/2008
16:00:47
[ report abuse ] | acecommander,
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on the left of this page click on "More options" then go down the resulting page and click on "poatpone your games" then read all about it.
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levellerlevvie
9/11/2008
00:55:14
[ report abuse ] | AceCommander
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I am one of those wrongdoers too .... I often postpone for 2 days when I know I won't be able to play every move within the time limits.
I usually play around 40 games at once and normally that's no problem because I take about 30 to 60 minutes every day to play as many moves as I can. Sometimes though I'm just too busy with work, friends who come over, my diving hobby, ... with the result that I can't play a single move during a day. When playing tournaments with a time limit of 2 days then not playing for a whole day is deadly so I need to postpone for 2 days when it happens.
Bottom line, it's a matter of perspective. When people regularly postpone for small amount of days then it usually means they have a busy live next to Gameknot. By the way, you just follow the postponement behaviour of the site's hero Cyrano and you will have a fine example of what I mean. And don't tell me Cyrano is abusing or breaking the rules ... please!
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acecommander
9/11/2008
18:16:36
[ report abuse ] | Perspective
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Knowing that there are time limits before you start a game is a given. If you don't have time to play 40 games because of your lifestyle, don't play 40 games! From my perspective, it's pretty selfish to delay a game for those reasons. If it makes you feel better to justify your actions that way, by all means do it. It just confirms your inability to manage time.
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ganstaman
9/11/2008
21:09:34
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From the postponement page: "If you need more time to make your next move, please use this page to postpone your games."
Does it say here anything about the reasons you are supposed to use this for (like, what reasons you can not make your next move in time)? Does it declare some reasons selfish and others ok? No. BIG FAT NO. So postponements are part of your time and both players know this at the start of the game.
It's actually quite rude to declare it anything less than honest and acceptable to use postponements as one sees fit for himself.
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muppyman
9/12/2008
03:51:59
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Acecommander, it would appear that after having all your questions answered, your perspective still states that you find it intolerable that not everyone thinks and acts the same way that you do. Presumably, you don't find that your requirement that people should comply with your standards is itself selfish?
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acecommander
9/12/2008
05:05:36
[ report abuse ] | Perspective
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Actually, I do not think it's selfish to think that if someone is playing more games than they can handle that it's OK to manipulate the spirit and intent of the vacation flag. As I've said before, if you can't play withing the time clock, you are playing too many games or have no ability to manage your time. Why should I have to tolerate your personal problems on the gameboard? Talk about selfish.
The more you try to justify these type of actions confirm that you know that they are wrong and not in accordance with the spirit of the rule, but I should probably know by now that people that skirt the rules and bend them to their agenda are the same people that will argue a losing cause to justify their inappropriate actions.
We can sit here all day long and fling insults at each other, it's actually pretty fun, but I do expect that eventually you will throw a vacation flag to postpone it.Lol.
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tugger
9/12/2008
08:01:19
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i've been following this thread, and have neglected to get involved so far. but i can't sit on the fence any longer.
personally, i would MUCH rather my opponent postpone his games than timeout. in my opinion, timeouts are a sign of poor time management. if my opponent finds himself playing more games than he can handle, this is not him being selfish, it's him having more on his plate than he anticipated. perhaps he's been working overtime. perhaps one of his kids is not well, and needs a few days off school. perhaps his girlfriend has just dumped him, and he's depressed. perhaps he just doesn't want to play chess today, and would rather play poker with his mates. whatever reason my opponent decides to postpone a game for, and for however long, is fine with me. the game will not go anywhere, he'll have to play his move sooner or later, and his remaining days deplete. i always have enough games running to not have to worry about what a single opponent is doing in his life.
i agree with muppyman that expecting your opponent to manage postponements as YOU see fit is selfish.
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acecommander
9/12/2008
08:23:33
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You must have overlooked the fact that the reason I originally posted was concerning using the vacation flag repeatedly as a means to manage more games than one could handle. Using the vacation flag because of an illness, natural disaster, or other unexpected emergency is one thing, but to use the vacation flag just to "bump" your game times is the subject at hand.
I do agree with you that a postponement is preferred to a timeout, however I do consider postponing your games 3 times in one week to be excessive, especially when the flag is remove less that 6 hours after being initiated. If you need to use a vacation flag, by all means that is your right, but use it for what it was intended for, not as as a means to balance poor time management.
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tugger
9/12/2008
09:52:09
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I can understand your frustration, but honestly, the best thing you can do is not concern yourself with what your opponent is doing with his time, and get on with your games that are still in progress.
Personally, I'd rather use my vacation flag for when I go on holiday, such as next week. But that's me. If someone decides that they need to use it to "bump" up their time, as you put it, I'm afraid they have every right to do so.
Just move on to the next board.
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muppyman
9/12/2008
12:53:49
[ report abuse ] | acecommander
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cancelling the vacation flag for your account does not automatically cancel the postponement for all your games, nor restores the unused vacation days for your account, nor reduces the "waiting" period during which you cannot postpone your games again;
That is what Gameknot says concerning flag cancellation, so I dont see why that action bothers you at all.
I did not fling any insults at you, and I am unaware of any being flung at me by you, so why you would make reference to insults baffles me.
As an old friend of mine used to say, "Either suck it up or get a life"
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