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nathanman22
11/23/2008
07:05:37
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 Subject: The Defense for Longer Players
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I am writing in defense of those players who need more time to move and play slower due to circumstances in their lives that dictate playing speed. I recently read a post about eliminating the extra day on the weekend. The person who wrote it assumed that the extra day was unnecessary and shouldn’t be added. I think GK made an excellent decision by adding the extra day on the weekend and on vacations. I personally work from 7:30-11 on Friday and 8-11 on Saturday (yes that is almost 30 hours in 2 days!) and then go to church Sunday. I don’t have the chance to move until Sunday evening after moving Thursday night, and that is a stretch of longer than 2 days. I feel as if recently there has been a lot of pull in the forums to force people to play faster. This started with the 99% rule in tournament play. This forced us slower players to find a way to play faster or we wouldn’t earn the tournament points that could very well be “rightfully ours”. There have been tons of threads relating to speeding up play in tournaments over the years, but us slower players have a right to play at our own pace (within the bounds set up by the site) without consequences. The set up that they had was great-2 days per move (up to 14 for non-tournament games) plus vacation as necessary. However, faster players are trying to take that away from us. They are trying to change things like the 99% rule, and they are suggesting things such as removing the extra day on the weekend. I’ve even heard lowering vacation time or not allowing it in certain games (with the 5 game move rule this would cause the cancelling of the vacation on our other games) promoted on several occasions. So I speak up in defense of the players who have a life outside of chess but still enjoy it every moment they can like me. I’ve been here for 5 years now and I wish to stay here until I pass away. I’m a very loyal customer and a PAYING customer for at least 4 of those years. Some of the people complaining don’t even pay or support your site, yet they try to force faster play upon those who don’t have the time to play at that speed. For those faster players, play your other games and leave the slower players alone. I have been threatened and yelled at for moving slow at least twice during tournaments, and I have seen many attempts to shut down the opportunities for those of us who play slower and I think something needs to be said. And if you can’t pay for chess here, feel free to play but don’t complain because you only have 5 running games (up to 12). Instead, go play speed chess at chesshere or chessmaniac which both provide nice speed chess setups (chesshere) and unlimited games for free (chessmaniac). There are other places to go, but don’t take away our rights to play at the pace we intend since it is perfectly legal within the site regulations and should be. Thanks for listening.
Sincerely,
Nathan Wheeler
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fmgaijin
11/23/2008
10:03:00
[ report abuse ] | Very Well Stated, Nathan!
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Personally, I'm a "moderate speed" player who likes 2-day increments but finds that 1-day increments and 2-days-per-move tournaments impinge on my "real" life so that I either play worse on occasion or let work or family slide for a bit, neither of which is a good idea. I have played against many "slow" players in tournaments who use all of their time at any control and take regular vacation, and I have NO complaint with them. As Nathan said, you know the time control and the rules when you start a match or a tournament and that means you have no right to attack those who follow those rules. Hey, I am in a mini-tournament where only one game remains to finish after 4 YEARS of play (not mine, BTW*grin*!). Why did I enter when I do not play quite that slowly? Simply because there were players in the event that I wanted to play. I made the choice to join a tournament that I knew would last a long while because the quality of the opposition compensated for that. Since I so CHOSE, I forfeited any right to complain.
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tugger
11/23/2008
10:38:16
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I agree. There are two types of slow players... those who don't have as much time, and those who deliberately slow down when they are lost. The latter annoy me a little, but there is nothing that can be done about it, so I just move on to the next table. Let's not concern ourselves about these types. But those who either just don't have the time, or like to play slow to ensure higher quality analysis, well, this doesn't annoy me at all. Sometimes I will take a whole week to make a single move. This is because I don't want to make stupid mistakes (though I still manage to!). Sometimes, I will have 4 days at least in all of my games, so I might take a break, spend some time with friends in the real world. If this means someone has to wait a little longer for my move, so be it. I'm happy to wait for whatever reason.
If someone wants to moan about slow players, let them moan, they have as much right to express their opinion as you and I have to use all of our time. No amount of moaning will make me speed up. In fact, if an opponent attempts to hurry me along (it hasn't happened yet excluding blitz), I just take longer. It amuses me, and annoys my opponent. Result! It might even push him "on tilt" (my fellow poker players will understand this concept).
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omus
11/23/2008
14:30:29
[ report abuse ] | disagree
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Simply play games with the number of days per move that enables you to move within the allotted timespan. This may mean 10 days (or any allowed number) per move if you wish.
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markb56
11/23/2008
15:18:11
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Nathan's comment about "GK's excellent decision to add an extra day on weekends" brings up a flaw in this system -- not every ones "weekend" comes on Saturday/Sunday. Or in my case I have plenty of time to move on the weekend, but I'm cursed with having to work during the week. (I believe that GK's operation is in California, USA which explains the Western-centric idea of what constitutes a "weekend" -- fwiw, the word "weekend" didn't even exist until the 20th century.)
It would be even more "excellent" if players could choose which day of the week to get their bonus day of rest.
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nathanman22
11/23/2008
18:32:37
[ report abuse ] | markb56
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interesting concept. I'm not sure how that would be enforced though. I also work every day during the week (overall around 65 hours a week), It works best for me on the weekend, but I see how it could be difficult for others who during the week.
-Nathanman22
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dysfl
11/24/2008
06:39:37
[ report abuse ] | Well explained
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nathanman22 wrote in detail a very convincing argument of the slow play. I'm a fast player, but it is a bad habit as I blunder too often.
I found many previous postings complaining about the slow opponents, but for me, who could have 50 games active at a time, it didn't matter at all. Honestly, I need some players to slow down to keep me just responding the moves.
As per rude or threatening messages, nobody in here, paying or not, should endure that kind of activities, I believe. I would suggest to report those to GK, and it would keep GK a respectful place, at least for a while.
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daniele
11/24/2008
09:56:57
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The extra day on the weekend is the only reason I play on gameknot. Please don' t touch it.
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tim_b
11/24/2008
11:13:21
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If people sign up for games with certain time controls, then what on earth are they doing complaining when their opponents use the time allowed in those very same games?
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skipwallace555
11/24/2008
13:57:57
[ report abuse ] | Exactly
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I agree with tim_b.
This site was designed around the creators philosophy and has attracted its members because they feel the same way. There are plenty of chess sites available for the faster player. Please, leave this one alone.
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omus
11/24/2008
15:18:16
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"I recently read a post about eliminating the extra day on the weekend."
Sorry, are you saying that this person is not allowed to post their opinions. Or can they only post views that you agree with ??
"Some of the people complaining....dont even pay"
Firstly, if one airs a view why is this a complaint ??
Secondly, GK, allows non payers to use the site and to use the forums.
Thirdly, why write this post "in defense of those players who need more time to move" ? PLease reference an unjustified forum attack.
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nathanman22
11/25/2008
12:45:37
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Of course people can post their opinions even if they are wrong. The point is that this viewpoint is extremely inconsiderate of others and very self-centered. It does not consider the needs of people who need more time to play. And by it's very nature, correspondence chess was designed to accommodate longer players. However, I am not against the ways that have been designed for players who desire quicker games. There are blitz chess options at many sites and this is great. Also, you can set time limits and request games for players who like shorter games, and that is fine. The point is when you start infringing upon my rights to take my time. Just like I allow and promote shorter players to have options for this, there should also be options for longer players and ways to accommodate their needs. The problem lies when someone tries to eliminate another player's right to play chess by making time constraints that do not meet that person's needs. This is what would happen if the above requests came into play. It's a very selfish thing to do. You have your ways to make chess fast, I have my ways to take my time, and it should work for both. There should be no infringements upon my desire to play slow. Thus, these ideas to eliminate weekends, the 99% rule on the tournaments which forces me to play faster or draw games which I may be up considerably and should've won, and other issues designed to force everyone to play fast should not pass through. This defense is designed to show this problem and to build support for fairness for both the slower and faster players on the site so we can all be at peace.
The big key to your last question is the word "unjustified". Ideas that I think are faulty because they force people to move fast who can't can be found throughout the forum, but by placing that word in your question you make it subjective and you can just dismiss any thing I put forth as valid. Thus, your question is directed in a bias and subjective way so everything becomes an opinion. In essence, the bigger problem--the rights of both the fast and slow players being met at this site is abandoned for subjectivity. Thus, your question is a trap and I won't be answering it.
-Nathanman22
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nathanman22
11/25/2008
12:45:39
[ report abuse ] | Omus
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Of course people can post their opinions even if they are wrong. The point is that this viewpoint is extremely inconsiderate of others and very self-centered. It does not consider the needs of people who need more time to play. And by it's very nature, correspondence chess was designed to accommodate longer players. However, I am not against the ways that have been designed for players who desire quicker games. There are blitz chess options at many sites and this is great. Also, you can set time limits and request games for players who like shorter games, and that is fine. The point is when you start infringing upon my rights to take my time. Just like I allow and promote shorter players to have options for this, there should also be options for longer players and ways to accommodate their needs. The problem lies when someone tries to eliminate another player's right to play chess by making time constraints that do not meet that person's needs. This is what would happen if the above requests came into play. It's a very selfish thing to do. You have your ways to make chess fast, I have my ways to take my time, and it should work for both. There should be no infringements upon my desire to play slow. Thus, these ideas to eliminate weekends, the 99% rule on the tournaments which forces me to play faster or draw games which I may be up considerably and should've won, and other issues designed to force everyone to play fast should not pass through. This defense is designed to show this problem and to build support for fairness for both the slower and faster players on the site so we can all be at peace.
The big key to your last question is the word "unjustified". Ideas that I think are faulty because they force people to move fast who can't can be found throughout the forum, but by placing that word in your question you make it subjective and you can just dismiss any thing I put forth as valid. Thus, your question is directed in a bias and subjective way so everything becomes an opinion. In essence, the bigger problem--the rights of both the fast and slow players being met at this site is abandoned for subjectivity. Thus, your question is a trap and I won't be answering it.
-Nathanman22
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nathanman22
11/25/2008
12:46:21
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I didn't mean to double post there.
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fredcow9
2/02/2009
01:45:09
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People need to quit complaining. No one cares if you dont have enough time or if you have too much time, if there's a tournament on the site and you know you wont have enough time to move then dont enter it... or dont join a faster paced game...
And i wont lie, while i understand there are other people out there who actually need the time because they have a busy lifestyle, I feel a greater margin of people play slow on purpose because they are losing and frankly its quite obnoxious. either play or resign if you know its over geeze
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