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srpen
8/16/2004
04:34:21
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 Subject: Pawn Stars Micro-Tournament #2: A Pawncalypse Now
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Pawn Stars, Spectators, Esteemed Guests,
As reigning Pawn Stars Micro-Tournament Champion (who could forget the immortal board #1834385 -- much as derminator and I both tried) it is now my duty and my privilege to invite you all to witness the grand spectacle of Pawn Stars Micro-Tournament No. 2: A Pawncalypse Now. Without a doubt, this promises to be the most exciting micro-tournament yet, as my opponent will be none other than our Captain, Pawn Queen, She Who Must Be Obeyed, the legendary xena herself. I'm looking forward to seeing the same stellar commentary from our members & wannabe members as in the last micro-tournament, and looking forward to seeing you all there at
board #2075360
Please note, as you view the game, that just as when you gaze up at the stars in the night sky, you are actually LOOKING INTO THE PAST. So as not to inhibit discussion, this game features a 5-move delay. That's right, the moves you see have already happened, and being that my opponent and I both attest to the complete inability to think even two moves ahead, feel free to postulate about strategy at will, secure in the knowledge that whatever great moves you would care to suggest, we have missed out on them already.
So without further ado, let the games begin at board #2075360 !
yours, etc. TEAM COACH srpen
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pandemona
8/16/2004
04:42:54
[ report this post ] | 5-move delay
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Nice idea! Being as it's an unrated game anyway, I'm sure commentary wouldn't be breaking the rules of GK.
Looking forward to seeing this one panning out. :) Do you guys mind a non-pawn star spouting his thoughts as you play? I am after all the best team member who isn't a team member, and I have the chicken to prove it.
~ Stephen / pandemona
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xena
8/16/2004
05:30:38
[ report this post ] | Go ahead
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Nope...no rules being broken here. Please feel free to spout away. Just bear in mind that my chess playing doesn't follow any sort of linear thought...I'm totally random. :-)
XWP
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abegtrup
8/16/2004
08:54:18
[ report this post ] | Peanut Gallery Assembling...
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Finally a game starting with e4!
I've been waiting to see this controversial opening played out by masters! I'm going to take a
front row seat (5 moves back) on this one - most likely sandwiched between pandemona
and my alter ego, leo_london.
P.S. Don't tell leo_london that he's nothing more than my shadow - I don't think he'd
brighten up to the idea very well...
- SD
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leo_london
8/16/2004
10:41:02
[ report this post ] | abegtrup
Message:
Now,now young mr Lars, dont start getting cocky with me. I was watching this game before you were out of bed this morning. Gripping stuff, probably the finest e4 I have ever seen, forget the Olympics this is the real deal. Have they been drug tested ? is it a fix ?...cmon there must be a story here somewhere. Oh and abegtrup, as social dude...Go get the beers in !
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dokesa
8/16/2004
11:57:52
[ report this post ] | next move
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I vote for 1... h5. It has the highest win percentage for black in the game db.
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abegtrup
8/16/2004
14:46:42
[ report this post ] | back talk from the alter-ego
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Aww... you hit a nerve with that one leo. I suffer from a rare disease known as "lazee-arse
funguyis", that keeps me from getting up out of bed every morning... I know it's not public
knowledge, but you should have guessed by now - I mean for god's sakes man, I'm always on
the site and I never seem to have any real work ethic!
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srpen
8/16/2004
23:58:11
[ report this post ] | Move delay
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n.b.1 time delay in game reset to three moves because, like, who are we kidding?
n.b.2 for those of you just joining us, it's board #2075360
Anyway, now that we have brought off this incredibly standard, symmetrical and bloodless opening, I was hoping somebody like abegtrup would have something exciting to say about it rather than just telling us about his health problems... I mean do I look like a doctor to you?
yours etc. TEAM COACH srpen
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abegtrup
8/17/2004
00:25:09
[ report this post ] | do you look like a team coach either...?
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Um... it's really nice to say you have a symmetrical position COACH, but all I see is a pawn
and two knights on opposite sides of the board. I guess I could comment on the fact that to
make them symmetrical, you and XWP would have to move your knights a bit more - which
I'm sure you've already done, but we can't see it!
Not to rain on the parade or anything, but why not remove the move delay entirely - I mean
eventually we're going to see what mistakes you've made, so you're simply postponing the
enivitable good laughs we're all here to see... =)
P.S. Assuming 3. Nf3 Nc6, GK Game DB says xena's got the upperhand already... that was
quick! COACH, I'd guess I'd swing my bishop out to b5, trade her knight for your bishop, and
hope for the chance at the center pawn. It's not a perfect strategy, but it more fun than the
normal alternative of Bc4.
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pandemona
8/17/2004
01:57:09
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Message:
I'm assuming you've played 3...Nf6, right?
I wouldn't listen to those game databases. If nothing else, look at the number of Halloween Gambit (4.Nxe5?!!) games in the database: 337!! That's a *huge* percentage. There again I wouldn't necessarily recommend the Halloween.
Right now the position's all symmetrical... not good for White, who wants to unbalance things a little and create some black weaknesses. I suggest 5.d4! which is ECO C47: the Scotch Variation of the 4 knights. Opens up the game a bit and creates a mess in the centre, just what White needs to find some good play.
I think 4.Bc4's bad here... it allows the wonderfully fun 4...Nxe4! 5.Nxe4 d5! which really hurts White's chances to get ahead.
4.Bb5 is fine and is the main line... but really the symmetry can go on forever! 4.Bb5 Bb4 5.O-O O-O 6.d3 d6... *YAWN*
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pandemona
8/17/2004
02:25:30
[ report this post ] | By the way
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I'm not really so keen on 2.Nc3 anyway. It threatens nothing, and it's not really that ambitious. 2.Nf3 and 2.f4!? are the way to go! Much more aggressive. And even after 2.Nc3 Nf6, I think 3.f4, the Vienna Gambit, can be a nice line to play. Again, much more exciting than boring old 4 Knights. Can you guess I have a bias for more lively lines, hehe...
~ Stephen / pandemona
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xena
8/17/2004
04:26:27
[ report this post ] | one move delay
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Ok, we've changed it to a one move delay now. Three moves ahead is just way too technical for me.
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gru88y
8/17/2004
05:15:02
[ report this post ] | chimney?
Message:
I'm going to have to put a copyright on my little words.
So no Austrian Blitz opening *sniff*
I was expecting 6.b(bigfat prawn) b5, so that's $20 I owe Abeg
I just whupped nutkin29 of the Very Bitter Dishwater's
er that was about all I can comment on this game so far.
i thanky you.
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pandemona
8/17/2004
05:17:02
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4. Bd3 Bd6 ... what's it achieving? More often seen in position like this are moves like d3 and d6, but the bishop there? It is just asking to be a target for the knight on b5/b4... if the knight captures bishop there, central pawns become a mess and the side who just captured has very good chances. So bishop must retreat and it's wasted time! If the e pawn needs defending, d3 and d6 are much better ways. They lock in the king's bishop a little but activate queen's bishop, so it's a fair tradeoff. And the king's bishop can still be deployed by fianchetto. Whereas, now, it is the queen's bishop that has been locked in and even more the d pawn is useless (a hindrance even). Surely both sides will have to move b3/b6, Bb2/Bb7 now to activate the bishop...?
I think Black can make a very nice position out of 6.Nd5. Abeg, doseka, Leo, want to swap some lines back and forth? :) Lemme start:
6...Nxd5 7.exd5 Nb4 8.Bc4 (or Be4) c6 and black should look at retreating bishop to c7 and playing a timely d5... what do you think? xena, srpen, tell me to shut up if this is too detailed...? :)
~ Stephen
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dokesa
8/17/2004
07:31:26
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I'll agree with pandemona on the bishop moves on move 4. All four bishops have poor mobility, if any mobility at all. 6. Nd5 attempts to free white's bishop on d3, but black has the option of not capturing the knight, thus keeping the pawn on e4.
If I were white, I'd probably do Re1, followed by Bc4 and maybe d3 or d4. If I were black, I think I'd play Nd4 and gain a pawn if white advances to e5. If white doesn't exchange knights, I'd play c6.
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abegtrup
8/17/2004
08:29:13
[ report this post ] | Move 5 - BLACK
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Okay, I slept on the matter (actually I slept on a pillow - but that's another matter), and I've
awoken to a world in which white and black are extremely hard to tell apart - which is good,
which is evil? who will break the symmetry first?!
I see a great opportunity for black here. Instead of mirroring white's move with Nd4, how
about trading knights? This will in the end give you a move or so of development ahead of
white and will turn this into a match versus a Simone-Says game.
5. Nd5 Nxd5
6. exd5 Nb4
7. Bc4 e4
8. Ne1
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abegtrup
8/17/2004
08:36:22
[ report this post ] | technical difficulties
Message:
Okay, so I should have actually paid attention to what pandemona said - at least then my
numbering wouldn't be off by one... well at least I agreed with you for a move or so.
I definately think e4 is better than c6 for black's 8th (in my notation, 7th) move, however.
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pandemona
8/17/2004
08:46:33
[ report this post ] | abegtrup
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Thinking along positional lines, I still don't like 8...e4. The pawn looks lonely there. But I just took a look at some tactical possibilities and abegtrup has a point, 8...e4 is nice. I like. And I'm gonna keep my mouth shut about *that* until a few more moves have been played, I think. :-D
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abegtrup
8/17/2004
09:03:43
[ report this post ] | Gold medal - maybe not.
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it'll all be for naught - I've commented on these games before, Stephen. Back in the 2000
Oylmpic Games, in Atlanta, we saw a similar opportunity for grand standing - alas, the
chess finals were eclipsed by those silly athletic track stars!
er... I mean XWP will probably move 6. ... Nd4 and all our debate will be groundless.
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xena
8/18/2004
04:20:02
[ report this post ] | Going Nd4
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Close, I went 8. ...Nd4. Oops, I shouldn't tell you yet should I ?
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abegtrup
8/18/2004
07:02:04
[ report this post ] | Going downhill
Message:
You're making a horse's a** out of us!
Seriously, do either of you even know the word strategy?!
I think the way these micro-tournies should work, is that the players discuss their
strategies and moves, and the spectators comment on that, instead of the crazed hoops we
jump through now.
Tell us 'oh wonderous xena', why you moved the horsey thing to Nd4... was it in hopes that
COACH srpen would not trade ALL horsey things over the next few turns, and that you
could... hence securing a very nice board position?! <hint, hint...>
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pandemona
8/18/2004
07:11:06
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Yes, surely those horsies (or "cows" as my little sister calls them!) are in for a collision soon. Methinks xena and srpen are so deep in their culture debate that the board is neglected, seen as nothing but an abstract artpiece!
~ s/p
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abegtrup
8/18/2004
07:35:11
[ report this post ] | =P <yuck>
Message:
you two get a room! ..er.. forum for your meanderings!
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abegtrup
8/18/2004
07:36:18
[ report this post ] | oh wait...
Message:
this is their forum for exactly those meanderings...
woe-is-me...<sigh>
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srpen
8/18/2004
14:19:21
[ report this post ] | Abeg your pardon
Message:
Strategy, strategy... yes I just looked it up. Uhm, don't have any, no :-) that was indeed the reason I set up this forum, so I might learn some... the point of all this, remember, is to improve MY game... uh, I mean, -all- our games, with the discussion... so we seem to be at a bit of an impasse as you are looking to me (us) to discuss strategy that isn't there, and we're looking to you to give us strategy ideas... so... on we go :-)
As far as the get a room comment, I will NOT dignify that with a response... D'OHH! I just did, didn't I?
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xena
8/18/2004
14:56:11
[ report this post ] | Abeg your pardon 2
Message:
I'm with Coach. If we had strategies n' stuff we wouldn't still be 1200 players would we?
I won't dignify the "get a room" comment with a response either...oh damn, I just did it as well.
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abegtrup
8/18/2004
22:04:27
[ report this post ] | To all a good knight!
Message:
well, before I hit the sack for the evening, I would like to reemphasize that whomever starts
the trade of "horsies" first, will, under the circumstances, be in a better position when it is all
said and done.
<insert comical one liner here>
- SD
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pandemona
8/19/2004
01:47:54
[ report this post ] | Ok, let's talk about strategy! :D
Message:
Right now there's loads of captures possible... particuarly the knight swaps abegtrup and I have been banging on about. The swaps are good mainly because in most of the cases it goes like this:
White Knight captures Black Knight
Black pawn captures White Knight
And after that, the black pawns are doubled - there are 2 on the same file. That makes them weak and vulnerable to attack, and opens up holes in the position where the other side's pieces can invade. It can also get in the way of the side who has the doubled pawns, making it hard to complete development. Doubling your opponent's pawns is almost *always* a good idea. Extra points for then controlling the square in front of the doubled pair of pawns, so your opponent can't advance the frontmost of the two and straighten the whole mess out!
Going to move 6 for example, this is one variation abegtrup and I discussed:
6.Nd5? Nxd5
7.exd5 (doubled pawns, now the pawn will be tough to defend) Nb4
8.Bc4 e4! (displacing the king's knight and opening up the dark-squared bishop to sight on the king)
9.Ne1 e3! (you'll see...)
10.dxe3? (abegtrup suggested 10.f4 is better here. Again you'll see :)) Bxh2+!
11.Kxh2 Qh4+
12.Kg1 Qxc4
And now white's development is a terrible mess, the h file to his king is open and the d pawn will fall very soon. Play might continue:
13.d6! (if cxd, queen can recapture and the d pawn was not lost) c6
14.b3 Qe6 (not sure about this move, can you suggest anything better? Eyeing the d pawn and also h3)
15.Ba3 Nd5
and then black will aim to play something like Nd5-c3, Nc3-b5 and eventually capture the pawn.
It was the side who made the first trade who got the advantage... because they had the chance to attack first!
Right now the position is all clogged up... the person who starts trading can choose where the trades occur, and the other player is forced into passively responding (often, not always! There's a word "zweischenzug" which describes the art of an "in-between move". He takes my knight, instead of recapturing, I take his PAWN with check, he has to respond to the check, THEN I recapture.). So the one who initiates capture can decide how (s)he wants to shape the board into an advantageous position, then embark on an attack!
~ Stephen / pandemona
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srpen
8/19/2004
01:56:25
[ report this post ] | RE: strategy
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Memo to self: add "zwischenzug" to the BAT
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pandemona
8/19/2004
02:22:23
[ report this post ] | Haha...
Message:
More fuel to my arsenal of Zug jokes. Excellent. :-D
~ s/p
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dokesa
8/19/2004
14:08:41
[ report this post ] | piece placement
Message:
Why are the kings on the right and all the pieces on the left? It looks like the knight exchanges are going to give black a little more mobility, and white can free it's bishop by sacrificing a pawn, but the white queen is still too far away to do anything useful.
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abegtrup
8/19/2004
15:27:26
[ report this post ] | next step (Move 12)
Message:
okay COACH srpen, you've successfully waited too long to make the knight trades useful to
you. In fact, after CAPTAIN xena has taken your last knight with her queen, your board
position is going to be relatively crappy.
Assumed: 11. Nxf6 Qxf6
Move 12 Strategy for White
One approach, as dokesa said, is to sacrifice a pawn - not my cup of tea, but it would
make things better. You'd love to be able to move the e4 pawn forward a space, but to protect
it takes too long, and just lands up causing you concerns later on.
With knights gone and bishops remaining this early in the game, you might consider a more
defensive strategy, such as moving Bb2 before anything else (especially before moving you
other bishop). After that, I suggest pawn to b4, as a good way to shake things up a bit and get
you back in the offensive driver's seat. =)
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pandemona
8/20/2004
01:11:16
[ report this post ] | By the way, now do you see...
Message:
Why playing bishops to d3/d6 was bad?
White's light-squared bishop has got itself trapped in defence of the e pawn and stopped the d pawn from advancing to defend the e pawn and setting the bishop free.
Black's light-squared bishop is stuck because the d pawn can't move to let it out. It can play to b7 assuming black can also play c5 to open up the diagonal (and complete a nice pawn chain!) but it's not free to act more directly along the c8-h3 diagonal where it might be a little more comfortable.
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pawncrusader
8/23/2004
03:10:18
[ report this post ] | My turn now
Message:
Of course I've been keeping a watch at the match of the year, i.e., The Coach vs. The Queen. Nevertheless, only now I got the mood of making my first comments, or should I say express my doubts... Much was said, so, you'll recognise some ideas.
Move 4.Bd3. What a great move! Well, in fact, I can't understand it. I was said it blocks the d-pawn making harder the Queen and black-squared bishop's development and that a black reaction in the center (based on d5 moves mostly) would hardly be stoped giving black little or no problems. But I guess that's bull****. 4.Bd3 is in fact the secret weapon of the Coach! It has to be the best move of the position. And the proof is that She Who All Knows wasn't fooled by it and replied the same way. What a start!
6.Nd5 - Is it really bad? It seems to give some room for white and 6...,Nxd5 7.exd5 looks unclear for both sides (if 7...,e4 can't white play Nd4. In my 5 min analisys I can't see nothing conclusive).
6...,Re8 bringing the rook to a potencially open column seems a logical, thematic move. However, what about an exchange proposal with Nb4. Seems like an interesting freeing move to me.
7.c4 gaining some space, protecting the knight and being a threat into future queen side attack looks fine to me. With black I don't know if I had changed the knights, with white I certainly wouldn't. A note about restrained position: is the side with less space that tries to exchange the pieces in order to free itself. A small room with 8 persons is crowded, the same room with 1 or 2 isn't.
7..., b6 logical. A way out for the bishop. Xena is starting to feel the lack of movement caused by the B on e6, right queeny?
8..., Nd4 strange, not necessarily bad but strange. Wasn't the idea of b6 to play Bb7 or a5 followed by Ba6? So? Did the white queen's move prevented that? Or is Nd4 just better?
9.b3 so much fear of our ChessGoddess... b4 isn't appealing? And have you no fear of Nxf3?
11.c5 if nothing more, it gives a pawn. Do you have enough compensation or was it despair?
11..., Bxc5 Did you considered Bxh2+. The 12.Kxh2, Ng4+ 13.Kg1, Qh4 or 13.Kg3 Qg4's theme happens a lot in this kind of positions. And here you may play it without loosing the piece with 12.Kxh2, cxd5 and then the above mencioned plan. btw, I'm just refering it as a thematic ideia didn't saw it close enough to say it is The Move or even if it works (usually there's a threat on the white Q but she is too far away for that themes, so, it may be pointless).
Well, let's keep watching...
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leo_london
8/23/2004
08:28:23
[ report this post ] | move 13..
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Trust I am at the right place....Nxf6,Qxf6 still looks best...14..f4(threat e5 or b5)..black may play Qe7(better for white) but should play b5 15..Qb3 may result in black..Qe6 ? 16..Qb1..leaves black with little but..g6..h6.? Its not great for white but he has regained some initiative. Sorry not used to this, I take hours with my own games. Just one little tip( you probably all do this already but Im new to playing this type of chess) try reversing the board in analysis..its surprising the difference sometimes looking from your opponents perspective.
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abegtrup
8/23/2004
09:27:45
[ report this post ] | leo
Message:
... especially when you see mate in 2!
pandemona and I discussed, in private, earlier in this game, the very same line of attack/
defense that pawncrusader and leo_london have just mentioned (Bxh2 by black - f4 by
white) - I'm glad to see great minds think alike! =)
At this point, assuming 13. Nxf6 Qxf6, I agree with leo's Move 14. f4 b5
for move 15, I might consider trying Qa5 for white...
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srpen
8/24/2004
00:21:40
[ report this post ] | Re: mate in 2
Message:
Ok so now that we've screwed THAT all up, what was your mate in 2?
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abegtrup
8/24/2004
23:54:19
[ report this post ] | mate in 2
Message:
Move 1: click on the resign button
Move 2: click on the confirmation button
=)
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pandemona
8/25/2004
03:18:04
[ report this post ] | checkmate for black
Message:
There's still a checkmate available for black! It's a very thematic mate... it will crop up again and again in many, many games in which one side has a bishop trained on the other side's h pawn in a castled position. That's all I'm saying for now... but some posters above have given more hints than that! :) If it doesn't get played, then when the game's over / the chance for mate is past, I'll post the explicit moves - if abegtrup, pawncrusader and the rest of the gallery don't get there first! :-D
~ Stephen / pandemona
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xena
9/01/2004
05:05:32
[ report this post ] | Where have you gone?
Message:
Hello? Is anyone still there?
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apastpawn
9/01/2004
20:14:31
[ report this post ] | okay so I looked
Message:
Lets see two pieces and two pawns up, occupation and control of the center, white inactive queen, humm looks like a girl is playing. Oops guess Xena is a girl or is he. Lift up that loin cloth and lets see.
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apastpawn
9/05/2004
12:55:25
[ report this post ] | still watching
Message:
Throwing away your bishop doesn't help. Did you not see it was threatened twice and guarded once. What about your hanging bishop at b4, there is a good place for it.
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apastpawn
9/07/2004
20:44:07
[ report this post ] | Guess
Message:
white was fearful of the sacrifice at g2, to heck with the free bishop.
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abegtrup
9/15/2004
00:56:19
[ report this post ] | Pawn Stars Micro-Tournament #3: Pawntification
Message:
Well at least they didn't DRAW out the game too long... (har, har)
Captain, Coach, apastpawn and I were considering taking on the next micro-brew.
Can we get your blessings and/or advice?
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jeffreydot
9/15/2004
01:19:31
[ report this post ] | PROVING ONCE AGAIN....
Message:
that the pawn stars just can't figure out how to win. :P
cheers!
jeffreydot
*running away REALLY fast.....
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srpen
9/15/2004
01:26:47
[ report this post ] | Coming soon to a forum near you: Pawntification
Message:
Dear all,
Yes this late-breaking development, although the more astute of you will have already noticed, A Pawncalypse Now lost some momentum there, draw was offered and accepted. That's a bit anticlimactic I suppose, especially compared to how the movie ended. But anyway, I suppose that makes me still the undefeated, if not undisputed, reigning micro-tournament champ. In fact I was thinking of retiring with my perfect record... better to quit while you're on top I say. SD, I think that's a fine idea, why don't you and apastpawn go to it for the next one... I'll contact my agent, Don King, to cut the red tape and go to it. As far as I'm concerned you can start right away... or take a reasonable statutory cooling-off period.
Advice? Um... take no prisoners?
To everybody else, thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next time...
yours, etc. TEAM COACH srpen
PS. Made you look! :-)
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xena
9/15/2004
01:52:05
[ report this post ] | The End Of An Era
Message:
I also will be retiring ( kinda undefeated ) from the micro-tournament arena, so you ( SD) and him ( apastpawn) are entirely welcome to carry on the fine tradition in the manner that you see fit. I will look forward to offering my advice and analysis in the forthcoming match.
Yes, thanks for being here everyone ( everyone that was here, that is )
Chow For Now,
CAPTAIN xena (Chessgoddess)
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pawncrusader
9/15/2004
10:14:02
[ report this post ] | final thoughts
Message:
- 13. Bb2 - I think you decided to give Xena some handicap, right?
- 16...,Bxb4 - I though a free Bishop has more value than a pawn. well, it seems like not, at least it didn't got away.
- 20.Bxh7+ . after that you have to be carefull about a g6 trapping the B. Why not taking the Bishop on b4 ? 20....,Bxf1, 21Rxf1 (my book says 2 pieces for a rook and a pawn is good).
- 21...,Bd3 He did not took your B! So, it seems like a good time to run away, threatening g6.
- 24...,Nc3 I think I'm missing something. Is the Bb4 poisoned?
- 28...d5 What about fxe4
- 30...Re5 Back to the random moves, right Queeny? When one plays a piece one should have a reason... Maybe Re7 to defend the a7
- 33...,Re2? Re7 instead should be drawish. (33...,Rxg2+ 34 Kf1 and now black will be in trouble)
Draw?? Bxe2 ,Rxg2+, Kf1 and a piece up. I hope you don't accept these kind of draws against ousiders.
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srpen
9/16/2004
01:03:31
[ report this post ] | Final thoughts on final thoughts
Message:
Now he tells me...
pawncrusader:
"13. Bb2 - I think you decided to give Xena some handicap, right?"
About this time I realized that my queen was in a pretty hopeless position and was trying desperately to discretely free up some space to get her out of there... only, looking back on this, I have trouble justifying the point of Bb2... what was I thinking??
"24...,Nc3 I think I'm missing something. Is the Bb4 poisoned?"
What's your hurry? I got him in the end :-)
And finally...
"Draw?? Bxe2 ,Rxg2+, Kf1 and a piece up. I hope you don't accept these kind of draws against ousiders."
I don't accept any kind of draws against outsiders, and I hope you don't either... no prisoners, gentlemen :-)
yours, etc. TEAM COACH srpen
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pawncrusader
9/16/2004
06:37:41
[ report this post ] | Now I tell you...
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Well, I was out for a few days...
And, yes I only accept draws when there's no way to win or to save me from a defeat. The other ones I fight 'till the ultimate strike.
yours, etc. the one who doesn't have a title to use here PawnCrusader
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apastpawn
9/16/2004
11:51:09
[ report this post ] | The real last word!
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I win, got the last word in. Sorry Xena and Social Dude. Sooooooo, hope you all have heard the latest, Social Dude and myself (new cronie and ELO underdog) are starting a new micro-tourney. We'll be moving at a lame squirrel's pace,about once a week. This will give you all time to post suggestions, say "I told you so's" and hopefully help us play a lively game. Your kibitzing is incouraged and the two of us will take all suggestions into consideration. Except maybe all those wannabe Pawn Stars who have no better threads to read than ours.
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