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abegtrup
9/16/2004
21:23:22
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 Subject: Pawntification:BLACK
Message:
Pawn Stars Micro Tournament 3:
"Pawntification - Chess by Committee" board #2180346
This shall be the stomping grounds of Social Dude's (abegtrup) "Black Pack".
Here we will discuss the strategies and fallacies of the opposition, governed by apastpawn,
as the 3rd official MT of the Pawn Stars commences!
Notice:
This is an attempt to place two of our higher ranking
players against each other under public scrutiny, hopefully
providing an interactive learning experience for everyone.
All at GK are welcome, but be forewarned, we, the Pawn
Stars, are a bit eccentric, so if you are use to a
dry, formal discussion, this may be a bit too much for
you...
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abegtrup
9/16/2004
21:25:22
[ report this post ] | And now, on with the show...
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Fear not mere mortals! We, the Black Pack shall engage in all sorts of philosophical
discussion, and/or pawn sacrifice, looking to the chess gods for divine insight! We shall shy
away from no dark arts, or gambit practices, doing whatever it takes to conquer and topple
the White King!
Black Pack - Sound off and be recognized!
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pandemona
9/17/2004
00:52:58
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Har har, I'm with the Whites...
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lordunknown
9/17/2004
15:33:57
[ report this post ] | Black pack...
Message:
I would be a proud member of...
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lordunknown
9/20/2004
01:02:54
[ report this post ] | Answer to 1.e4
Message:
I know several answers to e4 as anyone does *lol*... With 1. ... d5 we would go the way ton a strong Scandinavian Defece... With 1. e5 we could hope to get in a cool opening by the moves of the White Warriors... Just don't play 1. c5, i'm kinda sick of this Sicilian. When playing 1. e6 or d6 or Nf6 or Nc6, i have to wait until the middle-game to recomment, I'm only knowing the white side there as never playing those things with black.
e5 / d5... the choice is up to you =)
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jasogold
9/20/2004
01:39:40
[ report this post ] | Ooh, ooh, ooh...
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....me sir, me sir, I know it, I know it, me sir, it's D5.
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dykker
9/20/2004
01:58:14
[ report this post ] | Only d5 if followed by Nf6
Message:
An gambit, otherwise of course c5 should give an unbalanced position which can be used for fun play.
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pawncrusader
9/20/2004
06:46:41
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these are my sugestions...
e5 - traditional (or not, I know many sharp replies)
d5 - without gambit is drawish
d5 - with gambit is confusion
d6 - may quickly turn the game into an ending
c5 and e6 - with black makes me unconfortable
g5 - is funny
Oh, there's also 1...,f5 2.exf5, Kf7 if you really want to make fun of your oponents
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leo_london
9/20/2004
07:52:34
[ report this post ] | Purely
Message:
on the theory of the last game apastpawn lost, I suggest Nf6..2..e5,Nd5..leading to the Alekhine. Otherwise the e5 leaves many possibilities as previously suggested. Agree with no c5..Sicilian seems to feature too much on GK. But its your game..go for your favourite
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pawncrusader
9/20/2004
09:41:18
[ report this post ] | Nf6
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is fine, but remember he's not playing alone....
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abegtrup
9/20/2004
20:06:51
[ report this post ] | my buddy masros says...
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better play Sicillian..
1...c5. I never lost with sicillian!..Sicillian have better chances of winning.We also try caro-
kann with c6..but I never try it.
I think black is better here.If they play Ruy Lopez were have better chances!.
I'm afraid they will play King's gambit if we move 1.e5( 1.e4 e5
2.f4 exf4)..I hate KG!...but if u want play KG lets follow this lines.
<edited for later use - don't want to give everything away...>
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pandemona
9/21/2004
06:44:25
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Message:
Nf6 sounds good to me.
... What?
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abegtrup
9/21/2004
12:43:17
[ report this post ] | Excellent responses my fellows...
Message:
The only opening moves left to discuss:
h6 - beyond being worthless, blocks our knight's and bishop's alternate routes.
h5 - (followed by 2. d4 g6) gives us great kingside development, with a center I think we
can still salvage.
g6 - would be a quicker approach than h5, (followed by 2. d4 Bg7). I've had it played
against me with moderate success.
a6 - see h6...
a5 & b6 - similar to their counterparts (h5 & g6), but they block in one of the queen's exits.
f6 - a good start to getting fool's mated in two (2. d4 g5 3. Qh5#)
b5 - just plain random
For records sake, I always play e4/e5, and I always accept a gambit - but this is a different
game entirely.
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abegtrup
9/21/2004
13:22:15
[ report this post ] | My thoughts...
Message:
We have two primary tacts we can follow.
A) Go through a very typical game (piano or knights' game), reviewing, in detail, the points
one should be aware of, or
B) Try something a bit more unusual (but still tactically sound), in which we can all enjoy
exploring relatively uncharted territory, together.
Option A might include, [e5, d5, c5, Nf6]
Option B might include, [e6, d6, c6, g6, h5, Nc6]
Not an option: [a5, a6, b6, b5, f6, f5, g5, h6, Na6, Nh6]
I think we have the mind power, with seven of us already chiming in, (don't pay attention to
pandemona - he's a smartalick, working for the Alliance), to attempt one of the less
standard openings. However, I would want to hear that everyone would be willing to discuss
the new, awkward positions, versus just watching.
My first picks: d5, h5, or g6.
Alternatives: c5, e5
I think they're too strong for anything such as e6, d6, Nc6, Nf6, or c6.
Remarks?
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srpen
9/21/2004
15:21:34
[ report this post ] | The greatest game never played
Message:
Dear friends, as reigning undefeated micro-tournament champion, I feel now is the time for me to butt in and say, congratulations gentlemen. You have achieved something truly amazing here, that I don't think I can overstate. Here we all are, each of us has computing power on our own desks that would put Star Trek (The Original Series) to shame, and after a week of deliberation, one solid week mind you, we have come up with:
1. e4
Ah, it reminds me of the heady days of the classic Van der Sterren-Povah, 1978, I believe, if I recall correctly the game went:
1. e4 e5
2. Draw
Or who could forget the classic Fischer-Spassky, Reykjavik, 1972:
1. Resigns
You know, the chess in my mini-tournaments may not have been stellar, but at least we had some blood by day 2 :-)
yours, etc. TEAM COACH srpen
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leo_london
9/21/2004
17:57:59
[ report this post ] | Well
Message:
given your first picks I would go for.. g6..2 d4 Bg7 (pirc or Robatsch) could be interesting with plenty to discuss as we go on (I dont care for h5..then g6 maybe because I never play it). I would prefer the usual line of the "modern" as before with 3.Nf3?..d6 4..Bc4?..Nf6.
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apastpawn
9/21/2004
18:04:34
[ report this post ] | 50
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What happens if you guys run out of threads here? Lots of discussion now, hate to see what it will be later. I can peep can't I ?
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pawncrusader
9/21/2004
18:06:28
[ report this post ] | Thoughts of the player
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You should play what is more your liking. About d6 I handle it in a very strange way and I doubt they are that strong. e6, c6, c5 and Nf6 are much played. However, I like to play them with white. h5 and g6, aren't options for me. I would prefer e5, but d5 is ok.
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leo_london
9/22/2004
01:58:33
[ report this post ] | I agee
Message:
abegtrup should play what is more to his liking, but he does want some input from us to make it interesting. With regard to the threads..we can just start a new one when this is full. However just a thought, should this be in "Chess related " ? less daily posts in that forum, plus we have quite a few team threads going at the moment. Oh, I still think 7 days per move is too long...5 days would be about right. Just think folks will start getting bored without some action.
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masros
9/22/2004
03:05:19
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Message:
Play standard opening!
1..c5 or 1...e5
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pandemona
9/22/2004
04:30:58
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Message:
1...d6 Pirc would be pretty interesting; lots of opportunity for discussion as to the best way to approach it. I enjoy taking on the Pirc! O:-)
But I agree, none of us are exactly leading-edge theorists. Nothing wrong with taking things into unknown territory so that we all have to rely on our wits and not a game database... :)
~ Stephen / pandemona , of the rival White Warrior Alliance! ;)
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abegtrup
9/22/2004
21:57:46
[ report this post ] | Ok....
Message:
Well in tallying the votes, it sounds like the best choice is plain ol' e5.
I'm not too upset that we took 2 days to discuss it either. It's good ground work for later on. If
everyone is as timely in responding (and puts this much effort into it) for our future moves,
we might be able to make ALL our moves this quick! =)
Side Note: 1. e4 e5
Picked for the comfort factor among participants.
Biggest range of future possibilities.
Allows for white to pick line.
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abegtrup
9/22/2004
22:33:54
[ report this post ] | leo_london...
Message:
I wasn't too worried about the turn-around time on moves, we seem to be getting them off
well within a week... hopefully we'll get it down to every other day or so.
We could move this thread to the Chess Related forum, but I'm afraid we might get too much
exposure there. I'm very happy for any/all to join in, but there are some VERY opinionated
players on GK. Some of which would call this whole concept anti-chess-like - and perhaps try
to delete the thread.
Besides, this is a Black Pack "team" project. =)
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masros
9/23/2004
02:50:50
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Message:
How about this idea,we send a private message and suggest the move to u.Then u tallying the votes and decide the move.Suggest the move in the open forum,is not good.It will give our opponent a bit advantage.
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abegtrup
9/23/2004
09:02:07
[ report this post ] | I will look into private forums
Message:
I want the comments to be accessible to the whole team (as well as bystanders).
Perhaps the bystanders can wait until AFTER the game to see our notes. In that case, we'd
want some 'private' forums we could upload to GK later, or to the Pawn Stars' website.
I'll ask srpen if he's got the ability.
Anyone else want to offer some place/ideas on that?
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pandemona
9/23/2004
09:09:40
[ report this post ] | private forums
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If you do have private forums, don't forget us Pawn Star fans who may not have access to all your natty little private features but still wanna pile in!
~ S/p
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leo_london
9/23/2004
11:15:14
[ report this post ] | I think
Message:
masros is right, private messages would be best if we are going to be serious about this. Stephen(pandemona) suggested as much in the "white" thread, I cant really see how it will work otherwise..unless we just treat it as a bit of fun.
2.Bc4 or 2Nf3..seem favourite for white at present..Bishop game is never comfortable for black early on and "apastpawn" seems quite an expert in this line.I have a definate preference against Nf3..will leave that for later though...
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abegtrup
9/23/2004
11:35:41
[ report this post ] | Black Pack's "private" forum
Message:
games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blackpack/
Post message: blackpack@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: blackpack-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: blackpack-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
I've never used this before, but it looks simple enough.
To subscribe, send an email to blackpack-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Anyone can post to the forum (even you pandemona), by sending email to
blackpack@yahoogroups.com, or by visiting the yahoo website. However, only the
blackpack will be able to review the posts (via email, or by visiting the website).
Hopefully this will allow us to communicate freely AND allow us to keep the records for
prosperity's sake!
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abegtrup
9/23/2004
11:39:10
[ report this post ] | P.S.
Message:
White can be found at:
games.groups.yahoo.com/group/whitewarriorsalliance/
Post obnoxious messages to: whitewarriorsalliance@yahoogroups.com
Now things should really heat up! =)
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apastpawn
9/23/2004
15:50:26
[ report this post ] | Social misdeeds
Message:
Hey social dude! thought I'd use up space here. Seems your site at yahoo for the blackies is up and working but the lilly white side isn't. May be just a time lagtime thing or maybe not.
That was a quick responce, will try and follow soon as we are involved in a heated debate, yeah sure! Your turn soon.
apastpawn
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apastpawn
9/24/2004
20:28:37
[ report this post ] | Move #2
Message:
Okay Black, your turn.
Lets do our post move coments here. So others can try and follow or understand our reasoning or lack of it. We can use yahoo to discuss plans prior to moving.
If we explain here our motives for doing such a move to prevent, block, free, or otherwise mess-up the other side this may lead to learning. Thats what the game is about here.
Unless your your a Navy Loser
Wayne
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abegtrup
9/27/2004
12:36:33
[ report this post ] | Move #2 Black - f5
Message:
Nc3 was just too played out; safe and defensive;
Nf6 was a great counter-offensive, but a bit risky;
d5/6 was not to our benefit;
f5 is a gambit with an excellent chance for a dynamic gameplay. ;)
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 f5
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leo_london
9/28/2004
01:13:38
[ report this post ] | Nf6
Message:
would have been my choice, could'nt get into the group site with my usual Yahoo password ? Off on hols tomorrow...good luck all. Will send that postcard !
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apastpawn
9/28/2004
09:21:25
[ report this post ] | Latvian Gambit
Message:
Nice choice, should be a lively game. Our THIRD move is posted.
Happy discussions.
White Warrior Alliance
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abegtrup
10/01/2004
10:37:13
[ report this post ] | Move #3 Black - Qf6
Message:
Excellent discussion team.
games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blackpack/
We'll have them on the run by X-mas for sure!
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 f5
3. Nxe5 Qf6
White declined the open gambit of 3. exf5, falling for our trap.
Qf6 was choosen for its range of lines with advantage for black.
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apastpawn
10/04/2004
19:39:57
[ report this post ] | Your turn
Message:
4. Nc4
Sorry, No witty, sarcastic or immoral message attached to it.
apastpawn
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abegtrup
10/06/2004
08:02:20
[ report this post ] | Move #4 Black - fxe4
Message:
Yet again an unanimous decision...
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 f5
3. Nxe5 Qf6
4. Nc4 fxe4
Tie ball game.
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abegtrup
10/10/2004
09:16:19
[ report this post ] | Move #5 Black - Qf7
Message:
Real decisions need real men to make them...
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 f5
3. Nxe5 Qf6
4. Nc4 fxe4
5. Nc3 Qf7
Many options were open to us, this one seems to prove the most useful, avoiding future traps
by white, and allowing us to continue to set our own.
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apastpawn
10/11/2004
22:01:06
[ report this post ] | Lets make a bet.
Message:
Posted a similar msg. on Yahoo site where all the kibitzing is going on, for all of you who are uninterested.
A proposal: The winning players, when their name is typed here on Gk will be followed by a title for one month after the end of the game. That is whoever types it.
The title we have chosen is Supreme Latvian Vanquisher. So for instance Gru would be referred to as .......gru88y,Supreme Latvian Vanguisher.......... We do reserve the right to change the title if you blackies get carried away with your title.
Lets agree, come up with a short title.
apastpawn
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apastpawn
10/12/2004
10:14:08
[ report this post ] | Move #6 for white
Message:
Your turn dudes. Have posted our move- 6.Ne3.
So if you would like an explaination as to why we did this, then check out our white thread.
Before you say anything, yes we moved the knight for a fourth time. Our thread does acknowledge that too.
Death to the Latvian,
apastpawn
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gru88y
10/16/2004
07:33:00
[ report this post ] | I assume
Message:
you blackpackers will want a second game to make up for your awful opening?
yours
Supreme Latvian Vanquisher (in waiting) Grubby White (WW)
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abegtrup
10/19/2004
16:58:35
[ report this post ] | Move #6 Black - Nf6
Message:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 f5
3. Nxe5 Qf6
4. Nc4 fxe4
5. Nc3 Qf7
6. Ne3 Nf6
I'm sure you're all following the lines posted somewhere in a book or online...
Luckily for us, I can't read. =P
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pandemona
10/25/2004
01:03:51
[ report this post ] | The Game So Far (can you call slaughter a "game"?)
Message:
Oh dear, it looks like the black pack are veering ever faster towards their own destruction. But looking at this forum I think I've figured out why - the captain's stopped printing the board position! I bet half the black pack don't even know where their pieces are any more. So in the spirit of interchromic fellowship I offer the moves so far in "pawn star notation" style
1.King prawn jumps... King prawn jumps
2.King cow to king big prawn three... king big prawn little prawn jump gambit
3.King cow eats king prawn... Lady to King Big Prawn Three (how forward!)
4.Cow brave leap to lady big prawn four... king big prawn little prawn eats king prawn; want rice with that?
5.Lady Cow to lady big prawn three behind king cow (whohoo)... lady flees to king big prawn two to spend time with her bishop friend
6.king cow has a row with lady cow and flees to king three... king cow wakes up (you should have been here three moves ago!!) and jumps in front of the lady; lady is dismayed
7.King fat prawn to lady fat prawn four, those fat prawns like their ladies! See he's looking at the other one too... lady runs to king cow three, I don't blame her.
8.lady prawn steps once nervously, she's heard that other prawn is vicious... but his reputation is undeserved, instead the king fat prawn rejected by his lady runs out to lady cow four to try his luck with another cow.
I hope that's clarified things somewhat. As you can see, any fellow Supreme Latvian Vanquishers who are slumming it here in the BP thread, their team is rife with dissent. The king cow is lazy; the lady is twitchy and can't make up her mind, and she's already offended one fat prawn to the point that he's planning to defect to the White side and is offering himself to a lady cow in his desparation.
I pray that the Brat Pack will end this soon for ethical reasons if nothing else... the pathetic meanderings of those pieces are just painful to watch. We will of course be glad to put any wandering strays out of their misery.
~ Supreme Latvian Vanquisher Pandemona
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pandemona
10/25/2004
01:07:08
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Message:
Just to clarify the "king cow" would of course be abegtrup. Perhaps fellow SLV's can cross-reference some of the other characters in this Shakespearean tragedy with their "human" counterparts.
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pandemona
11/19/2004
06:46:38
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Message:
WWA calling King Cow! WWA calling King Cow! Wake up, man! ;)
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abegtrup
11/19/2004
16:28:37
[ report this post ] | Oh yeah... the pawntification game...
Message:
I forgot all about it. I'll rally the pack this weekend. =)
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bergil
11/24/2004
21:59:29
[ report this post ] | Can I jion the pack
Message:
Even though I'm a good guy I still wear black. Its more slimming, how long has the game been going?
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abegtrup
11/25/2004
21:19:49
[ report this post ] | Long enough that we'd love some new blood...
Message:
Alright bergil, you're in if you go to the yahoo page and figure out how to subscribe. The
rest of you hold tight... I've been real busy as of late. The in-laws leave town late tomorrow
and I'll read through the posts on the site and make sure I'm up to speed. Hopefully we can
get this game back in gear before the weekend is out.
games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blackpack/
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zulu-zipper
11/26/2004
09:17:58
[ report this post ] | what game?
Message:
what game?
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gru88y
11/26/2004
11:44:05
[ report this post ] | zulu
Message:
don't listen to these sad wazbeans
imagine a bright light, white in fact who will shatter these little wormwood smoking gofs who
wouldn't know their Skinny Puppy from their Project Pitchfork.
Join the whyte worriers on the other board and we will show you the way of the wyrd.
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abegtrup
11/26/2004
21:45:00
[ report this post ] | Ran out of thread... need new spool.
Message:
zulu,
to answer your question, the game is at: gameknot.com/chess.pl?bd=2180346
Alright everyone, let's regroup over at: gameknot.com/fmsg/chess5/1864.shtml
and remember, the private forum can be found at:
games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blackpack/
---> Black Pack
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