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roxanol
2/06/2005
23:10:44
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 Subject: !*! DANGEROUS TOYS !*!
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!*! Welcome everybody to another D.T. Chess page. Comments are welcomed from friends, rivals and of course any team member!!
Here is our team as of February 1st. I am sorry I am running late:
February 2005:
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1. cedsed 1717
2. oglog1 1820
3. roxanol 1737
4. lallyc 916
5. murry 1265
6. piratejohn 1266
7. cavallaro 1720
8. flyfisher 1552
9. ironwealth 1056
10. pedler 1878
11. inarion 1601
12. scruffyboy 1554
13. span 1273
14. df3658 1783
15. slavia 1668
16. toonleew 1643
17. swanston 1606
18. andrew0101 1335
19. lisaalexa 1237
20. ieatkids6 1136
21. firebrandx 1983
22. blueknights 1821
23. whiteandblack 1814
24. philip1983 1774
25. liberte98un 1671
26. scorpia 1564
27. ucrookie 1542
28. z600 1081
29. donacroolis 1650
30. dreyfus 1451
31. beanie 1517
32. mercy 1389
33. triton 1527
34. pawns-kill 1418
35. 1ibandit 1356
36. griffith45 1298
37. bogusknight 1295
38. madmsurf 1629
39. kleine_schlampe 1524
40. budinst 1291
41. crazyasian719 1057
42. samurai138 1010
43. tactics7007 1458
44. rubar10 1355
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Here are some more links to some of Our Team activities.....
1) Our Team page: gameknot.com/team.pl?id=709
2) Our Opposing Teams List: gameknot.com/team_opp.pl?id=709
3) Our Completed Games List: gameknot.com/hist_team.pl?id=709
4) Our Active Games List: gameknot.com/show_tgames.pl?id=709
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And for convenience... here is a link to our last forum page:
gameknot.com/fmsg/chess5/1922.shtml
Thank you everyone and good Chess!!
Michael (roxanol)
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inarion
2/07/2005
04:44:08
[ report this post ] | odd opening
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I have been using a sicillian/benoni opening as black against d4 openings of late with some success...gives a 3-2 pawn majority on the queen side which is explotable. Any comments? Here is the opening:
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 d6
6. Nc3 Be7 7. e4 O-O
Seems that 1....Nf6 is pretty important, as is d6 immediately after 5. cxd5...I have experimented without both, and 1...Nf6 gives a better game, and 5....d6 is critical...LOL (lost a game badly when I delayed that move...ouch...was cramped forever! Opponent played 6. d6 and really put me in a spot...cost me a piece which eventually cost me the game. However, with the 2 above moves it gives a good game, particularly if they give you the queen side majority which late on in the game becomes quite tiresome for the opponent.
In the games where I omitted 1...Nf6 but included d6, the game was not bad, but presented complications which would have been eliminated with the simple 1....Nf6 move (ie...e4, which makes a following Nf6 uncomfortable, along with other moves). It also implies an Indian defense, which impression is destroyed with the attack on the center c5. Seems to be a perversion of a sicllian, which transposes into a perversion of the benoni...LOL
Any and all comments are welcome....am not real strong on openings (my memory sucks!) so getting my opponents out of book soon as possible is important to me...LOL...this opening seems to do that, and at the same time, gives black a decent attacking position with a strong queen side pawn majority for the endgame.
BTW...the inspiration for this came from Nimzovich. His book, "My System", is great and I recommend it for anyone to improve general play as well as opening theory.
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inarion
2/07/2005
05:44:21
[ report this post ] | odd opening
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Here is an example of this "odd opening"...white played well until the end, when things fell to pieces for him (quite possibly due to the pressure on the queen side).
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 e6
3. Nf3 c5
4. d5 exd5
5. cxd5 d6
6. Nc3 Be7
7. e4 O-O
8. h3 Re8
9. Bd3 Bf8
10. O-O Bd7
11. a4 a6
12. Bg5 Be7
13. Qd2 Bc8
14. Ne2 Nbd7
15. Ng3 b6
16. Rfe1 Nf8
17. Bxf6 Bxf6
18. Re2 Ng6
19. Rae1 Ne5
20. Nxe5 Bxe5
21. f4 Bd4+
22. Kh2 Bg4
23. Re2e3 Bxe3
24. Qxe3 Bd7
25. b3 Qh4
26. f5 b5
27. axb5 axb5
28. Rf1 Ra7
29. Rf4 Qg5
30. Qf3 Qh6
31. Ne2 Ra3
32. Nc1 Rea8
33. f6 g6
34. Qg3 c4
35. Bc2 Ra8a6 (later I saw 35...Ra1 as a much better alternative)
36. Rh4?? Qxc1
37. Rxh7?? Kxh7
38. Qh4+ Qh6
39. Qg3 cxb3
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cavallaro
2/07/2005
07:31:41
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Michael,
impressive win with Cairo!
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pawns-kill
2/07/2005
16:12:33
[ report this post ] | PWANS-KILL
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just want to say that im very.well in a a** kicking mood today lol its about time im back all.yes ur joe is back:)))))))))))))won 5 lost 1 games.i feel good.i feel the power of the mind and my little nasty toys lol:) ok to be real iv played alot of games but heres a game that isnt so exiting but.to me it was .its a 50 move game the player resigned.lots of action swapping.i swaped my rook his bishop in the end.i had the extra pawnsno way he could win defend.at one point i had his qween .but at another point in the game.his double rooks were and bishop against my qw rook were about to cause me pain.with a few slick moves with a pawn check and a qween check i got what i wanted his 2 rooks for my qween the rest a end game.i ask that u see this game.have had alot of fast kills this was much more gratifying to me.player>queslett# 2718865 i also won the other game with him i was white in this game im talking about.wasnt pretty but efective.thanx all.now lets kick some toys around ehhhhh lol:)
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roxanol
2/09/2005
05:04:12
[ report this post ] | Thanks Cavallaro....
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.... here is the analysis.
For anyone who is interested, here is my annotated game with cairo I originally commented on this game and sent him my notes so, there is heavy "you" and "your" pronoun usage in my notes. Just keep in my this was originally written and sent to him and I was just a little too lazy to go back through it and change all the "my's" and "mine" to "white" and change all the "you" and "yours" to "black". Confused yet?? I am.
roxanol - cairo
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 e6
3. Nc3 Bb4
4. e3
{I have played 1.e4 my whole OTB life. I have always had interest in 1.d4 but because of my inability to find a decent line against the Nimzo and the Dutch... I have stuck with 1.e4 I have never had any faith in 4.e3 (I've previously played 4.a3 or 4.f3). However, I recently discovered something I can work with in this line.}
4 ...O-O
5. Bd3 d5
6. Nf3 c5
7. O-O Nc6
{You surprised me here. I think 7 ...Nc6 is best here but the database that I am using shows that 7 ...dc is mostly played. There goes my preparation!}
8. a3 Bxc3
9. bxc3 b6
{I was still hoping for dxc from you since my preparation centered around a specific pawn structure rather then specific moves. I base most of my planning around Minor pieces and pawn structures.}
10. cxd5 exd5
{Although we are still in known lines here, I had to re-think my strategy since this was not the pawn set-up I was looking for from Blacks position. Funny, how the position of one pawn (black pawn on d5 instead of e6) can change things.}
11. Ne5 Nxe5
12. dxe5 Ng4
13. f4 Qh4
{I have a very modest database so I do not know if 13 ...Qh4 has been played
before? But to me, I think 13 ...f5 would be safer although after 14.ef Nxf6 15.c4 Ba6 16.cd Bxd3 17.Qxd3 Qxd5 18.Qxd5 Nxd5 19.e4 Nc3 20.Re1 Re8 21.e5 both sides can argue for their position. But I think blacks queenside pawns will do better then whites center majority. For this reason, I would not have played 14.ef}
14. h3 Nh6
15. e4
{My original idea here was to combine attack and defense with 15.Qc2 followed by an eventual Ra2. But after 15 ...c4 16.Bxh7 Kh8 17.Ra2 Bxh3 18.gh Qg3 19.Qg2 I felt that your d5 pawn would not be a suitable target, you would still end up with a queenside majority and your Knight would be stronger then my Bishop (in that position). So, I decided I needed to make this position better for my Bishop. Especially since I have the 2 Bishops. I also wanted to open the position more while your Knight was out of position.}
15 ...Bxh3
16. exd5
{This is an important part of my strategy of improving my minor pieces over yours. I believe this pawn configuaration gives me a slight static advantage in the center and the kingside if (IF) I can avoid a serious disadvantage on my kingside. Your Q+B+N look dangerous to white but, I believe they are not working well together. 16.gh would allow you to go for a draw.}
16 ...Bd7
{I think 16 ...Bf5 is better. It would challenge control of the b1-h7 diagonal forcing me to exchange as I think giving up the diagonal (17.Be2) and avoiding the exchange (17.Qf3) both allow 17 ...Ng4. But even 17.Bxf5 allows black's Knight back into the game. More importantly, 16 ...Bf5 would have prevented me from continuing my pawn pushing.}
17. f5
{I do not know if this is the "BEST" move but it is the only logical continuation
of my strategy of gaining central/kingside space and improving the scope of my
Bishops. I had a big concern of wether I would be sticking them out too far. I felt that I would be able to hold them together and that e6 would soon become a real threat.}
17 ...Ng4
{The one down side of 17.f5 is it gives your Queen access to the other side of the board. I was worried about 17 ...c4. When I saw 17 ...Ng4 I was very worried that I had miscalculated.}
18. Bf4 Rae8
{After being forced to play 18.Bf4 I kept expecting 18 ...c4 Since my pawn wall depends on my light squared Bishop I would have to move to c2.}
19. Qe1
{I was not sure if I should continue with my strategy or if I should take a moment to secure the queenside with a4 and Bb5 I decided that 19.a4 would allow you to ruin everything with 19 ...Nxe5! So, I feel my move was almost forced.}
19 ...Qh5
{This is one of the moves I was impressed by. I would expect someone that is
shakin up by my attack would jump at the chance to trade Queens but here, that
would be bad. Someone who has more nerves would want to preserve the Queen and may find it neccesary to retreat the Queen far away, maybe to e7 but for that
I planned 20.d6 followed by 21.f6 and for 19 ...Qd8 I would simply move my Queen to g3 followed by 21.e6! Your 19 ...Qh5 gave me more trouble then any other move could have!}
20. Qg3
{And here is the problem that 19 ...Qh5 gave me. While I would like to protect my pawns that I have worked so hard for (20.Bg3) I did not want your Queen access to c1-h5.}
20 ...c4
{I am not sure if it would have been better but, I think I would have chose 20 ...Bxf5 as my defense. i.e. 21. Bxf5 Qxf5 22.e6 Qxd5 23.ef (23.Qxg4? Rxe6 24.Rad1 Qc6!) 23 ...Qxf7 24.Qxg4}
21. Be4
{OK, this move is sure to draw criticism from you but I just could not let go of that b1-h7 diagonal without a fight!! True, (21.Bxc4) would put my Bishop on another good diagonal bearing down on e6 (my main target for the last few moves), f7 and g8 BUT....
1) My c pawn would become a static weakness.
2) Your Q+B+N would be working together better then they were previously and...
3) 21 ...Bxf5 would allow you to bring another Piece to the defense of your King.}
21 ...Bxf5
22. Bxf5 Qxf5
23. e6
{I have been over protecting this pawn throughout the middlegame. It was time to advance it.}
23 ...Qxd5
24. exf7+
{24.Qxg4 does not fit in with my plan. After 24 ...Rxe6 I felt your extra pawns were equal to my Bishop. I could see no way of getting an advantage. I would even have to deal with a possibly well timed f5 or h5 from you.}
24 ...Rxf7
25. Qxg4 Re4
{I dont agree with this move. I do not know if I just dont see what your plan was or if this was just a swindle. For defense, I would have tried doubling on the f file followed by pushing your queensidemajority.}
26. Rae1 h6
27. Rxe4 Qxe4
28. Qg3 g5
{I was expecting you to try to tie up my pieces with 28 ...Qf5 29.Rf3 Qc5 which I was not sure if I would respond with 30.Re3 or 30.Be3}
29. Bb8 Rxf1+
30. Kxf1 a6
31. Qd6 Qb1+
32. Kf2 Qc2+
33. Kg1 Qxc3
34. Qg6+ Qg7
{This is where I started to play without any specific plan. I knew I had a pawn structure problem and I did not feel comfortable trading Queens. I knew I needed to keep my a pawn. What made me lose my way was the myriad of checking possibilities. Do I check here or do I check here then there? I do remember that I was beginning to regret putting my Bishop on b8 instead of e5. At this point I felt I may have thrown away a win. If this was OTB... I would have offered a draw.}
35. Qe6+ Kh7
36. Be5
{I wanted to play 36.Qxc4 so bad but I felt it was more important to get my
bishop back on a1-h8first}
36 ...Qg6
37. Qxc4 b5
38. Qc7+ Kg8
39. Qc8+ Kf7
40. Qd7+ Kg8
41. Qd5+ Kh7
42. Bc3
{My last few checks had been made with no plan in site. It was only now that I came up with a plan. I almost played 42.Qb7 but felt that it still didn't get me anywhere. I also did not like any idea that involved moving my g pawn so I decided to use my Q+B together as a mating threat. This would atleast force your Q to stay near the King (taking away some of your mobility.}
42 ...Qb6+
43. Kh2 Qg6
44. Kg3
{I did not go for an immediate Qd4(e5) because I was a little worried about a check from h5. I could not decide if this threat was real or if it was nothing to worry about. I decided to be safe.}
44 ...h5
45. Kh2
{Now with h5 taken away from your Queen, I wanted my King to return home to a safer place away from checking distance of your pawns.}
45 ...Kh6
46. Qd4 Qf7
{It was here that I felt you were running out of moves. I wanted to slowly squeeze the dark squares since I had a dark squared Bishop with no opposing Bishop to challenge him. I expected 46 ...h4 which I then wouldhave continued my previous plan but with your king locked away behind his pawns, I felt I could squeeze both my Q+B a little closer.}
47. Qd6+ Kh7
48. Be5 Qg6
{I may have tried 48 ...g4 to give the King some space in case he ends up back that way. But, it can be argued that it gives up control of more dark squares (f4).}
49. Qf8 Qg8
50. Qf6
{From here it was just a point of taking away your pawn moves.}
50 ...a5
51. Kg1 b4
52. axb4 axb4
53. Bd4 b3
54. Bb2 h4
55. Kf2 1-0
Any questions, comments or refutations are fully welcomed.
P.S. Hey Joe, you spelled your userid wrong. :(
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invincible1
2/09/2005
12:59:42
[ report this post ] | WOW!!!
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I have already congratulated you as I was following this game of yours almost move by move, but again, Congratulations on a great victory Michael!!
I CLEARLY see why you both are way way better than me. Every move has so much to it, and I would probably have got every move different from both of you whether I was white or black! And Michael, I really appreciate your courage for not capturing gxh3 against Cairo!! So I have no question to ask there, since you were trying for a win! But this question should probably go to Cairo then, would he have just taken the draw had you played gxh3!? Perhaps back then he wasn't aware of your playing strength as he hasn't played you before right?? And you did not have a very high rating... But on looking, it does appear that black will have to settle for a draw there....
I have a few more questions and doubts, though they may seem very stupid to you. I shall still ask them anyhow, I don't want to miss a chance to learn ;-). Its past 2.30am here so I shall probably post again about this game tomorrow with my doubts..
BTW, to everyone "Hello", I am in the team too now :-). I can post a brief introduction of myself here or through a message to all members. I am not sure what is expected of me?
Michael, congratulations once again! So when do we see your next big win!? I guess you are still trying to break the jinx with chesshub. But you seem to be thrashing all 2000+ and most 2100+ players comfortably! It would be interesting for you to have another showdown with Cairo or some other 2200+ players, or some of the strongest players on this site IMHO such as cairo, duchess, florinserban, harpov, snaga, cyrano and carlosmart......... and then mateintwo is on position 1. Well many more, allkarlos and drdesoto etc.
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tertsius
2/09/2005
13:29:54
[ report this post ] | I tried to post earlier in this thread
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but Michael was on-line at the time and obviously his inflated ego had something to do with my bandwidth connection going to zero, :( Michael has already had his NEXT big win; getting Invincible1 and Tertsius on this team, what more do you want, Anna Kournikova? ")
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inarion
2/09/2005
17:51:11
[ report this post ] | Michael's game
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I followed the analysis, but have yet to digest it all...I think it will take a couple more run thoughs...lol. Congrats on the most excellent game! I am particularly interested in this game since I play 1. d4 most often. My reasons are simple, I hate playing the complexities of the e4 games, specially when you toss in sicilian...for some reason I feel much more comfortable with 1.d4 and 2.c4. One day I would like to play you Michael..maybe try my new pet opening if you open with d4...heh
Again...great game!
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inarion
2/09/2005
17:53:11
[ report this post ] | Welcome!
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Oh yeah...and welcome to the team Tertsius and invincible1! :)
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tertsius
2/09/2005
18:24:12
[ report this post ] | From the Personal Archives of Professor Marvel
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My crystal ball tells quite rightly that the opening for the 21st century is not the archaic e4 or d4 inarion it will be N-QR3. Yes chess fans, Woody Woodpusher, (that is me also, and I am the Walrus, coo coo ca chu) you heard it here first, so stop following the lemmings of the cliff and step out with the opening that will revolutionize chess for the future! For 24.95 I will send you complete instructions on how to initiate this epiphany of a first move!!
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invincible1
2/09/2005
20:52:28
[ report this post ] | Tertsius
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N-QR3 ??? That in my opinion is an obvious blunder and leads to mate in 137 moves! The other day, Michael and I discussed extensively and agreed that the most important theme of chess for the coming century will be controlling the i9 square. Michael, so finally did you discover where that square is? Also, a 100 years hence, I don't think Knight to QR3 will ever be played.. I feel the first move will surely Tiger to i9 !!
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tertsius
2/09/2005
21:08:10
[ report this post ] | Dangerous Toys
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I have seen no evidence of any hat pins, shalalies, cudgels, frying pans or other implements to hamstring opponents what is this a ladies team, where are the MEN on this team? As for N-QR3 this move has proven it's worth and I will be declared a genius as surely Nostradomus is today. Score one for Professor Marvel!!
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roxanol
2/10/2005
02:02:05
[ report this post ] | Anna K, i9 and N-QR3
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Is Anna K. Available? Tertsius, you have me convinced, where do I send my 24.95? Any shipping cost? I have yet to discover the i9 square so I may have to settle for the less known N-QR3
On a different note. cairo was a worthy opponent. I beat him this time, I do not think I will again. I have reviewed some of his games and I can tell you he is a much better player. As for Chesshub.... he is one big thick brick wall that I keep running into!! I have given it considerable thought and I have concluded that chesshub is unbeatable!! His play reminds me of Capablanca. Simple yet strong!
Ummm.. watch out! We have many women on this team and they are ALL exceptional Chess players. My personal favorite? Without a doubt... lallyc !!! There seems to be no end to her winning!! Watch out cedsed you have some competition coming your way. If you dont take care, you may find yourself in the number 2 slot!!
Michael
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inarion
2/10/2005
04:44:22
[ report this post ] | 21st century opening
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Wrong! The opening for the 21 century is a white version of the sicilian, beginning with 1.g3, followed by 2.b3! (note the exclamation marks, declaring these moves as exceptional...how can you argue with exclamation marks? ) LOL
For an example of this opening, see my game with Marillion. Checkmate in 61 moves.
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tertsius
2/10/2005
05:37:30
[ report this post ] | Bloodless Coup
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Michael is not longer Captain of the Once Dangerous Toys. Since that fateful day Feb. 8 when he was foolishly duped into accepting two new members, he has been transformed to ACO, our affectionate: Animal Control Officer, congrats on your promotion. Now hurry up and finish cleaning out my office, :)
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inarion
2/10/2005
05:44:19
[ report this post ] | wait wait wait
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Isnt a tertsius one of those flies that bite spiders? Wouldnt that make him Insect Control Officer? (ISO).
Michael...am emailing you a flyswatter...
LOL
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tertsius
2/10/2005
05:53:54
[ report this post ] | New Chess Software
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From the folks that brought you Fritz there is a new chess calculation software on the market. Binary Repeating Automaton Intelligence Network. For some of us at GK we can have this soon!!!!
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invincible1
2/10/2005
07:50:16
[ report this post ] | WOW!
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So we have some women on this team too! I was asking Tersius if there is any team with a whole lot of women who would be willing to flirt with me LOL! Ooops, sorry if I am offending any of the women on this site! I am just kidding, but if you think you would like some flirting, then I wasn't kidding afterall ;-).
BTW, GK forums no longer allow posting stuff not related to GK or Chess. Does that apply to even the team thread?
Oh and yes, I declare it here, but I should actually declare it on the main forums or on the news! I am the best player of the Sveshnikov Sicilian ever to be born!!!
Oh and for those who think this team is clean and does not contain cheaters who take help for making their moves (like a lot of players on this site), I beg to differ! Tert is a blatant cheat! Ask him and he will tell you.... he takes the help of his puppy for every single move!!! One day his puppy was ill, and sure enough Tert did not make a single move in any game despite being online ;-)!!!
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tertsius
2/10/2005
08:56:56
[ report this post ] | WOOF WOOF
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That is my other dog impression. Speaking of dogs Invincy down boy, heel, sit, sit booboo sit!! Love is in the air because Valentines Day is soon so maybe you will get lucky with Cupids arrow? Now where did I leave my black pumps and wig, hmmm? I just wanted to relay that my puppy is not an infamous Black Labrador, so no hate mail please ")
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roxanol
2/10/2005
13:17:04
[ report this post ] | Your Fearless Leader!
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!!Attention!!
Dear team members, as you may or may not be aware of... at 5:37:30 local GK time. Two renegade DT players attempted a Coup against your fearless and righteous leader Michael, allah praise his name!!
At any rate, the two renegades have been neutered and will soon be put down. A strict crackdown will soon be put into effect to secure your fearless leaders dominance of this team. You will play Chess and you will like playing Chess!!
Thank You,
THE FEARLESS LEADER!!!
P.S. I dont mean to sound stupid but, what in the heck is a Binary Repeating Automaton Intelligence Network.
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roxanol
2/10/2005
14:27:38
[ report this post ] | inarion!!
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If you send me a challenge, I would be glad to play a game against your pet opening.
Below is what inarion wrote above...
"I have been using a sicillian/benoni opening as black against d4 openings of late with some success...gives a 3-2 pawn majority on the queen side which is explotable"
I copied this here because it contains something very important! A lot of us sometimes wonder what opening do I play? How do I play after the opening? Each opening has its certain characteristics, we must identify these. What for you may ask?? inarion states this in the next sentence. To try to exploit it. This is how you play Chess openings. You find out what imbalance it has and you play accordingly, you try to exploit it. I will look for some sample openings and I will post them here. Does anyone have any samples? Lets look at
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 Nd4
4. Nxd4 ed
From blacks point of view, what is there in this position to exploit?
How about after
1. e4 c5
2. d4 cd
3. c3 dc
4. Nxc3
From Whites point of view, whais there that white can try to form his middle game plans around??
roxanol
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tertsius
2/10/2005
14:29:37
[ report this post ] | May I be put to death by Kournikova
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poisoning. I swear I wasn't the recent man who swam naked across Biscayne Bay to her posh 5 mil shanty ") I will let the Toy Box Mensa members inform our cowardly lion now with a medal to answer the El Capitans retorical question, surely he jests, haha!
Dear Fearless leader, nah nah nah nah nah <bronx cheer> and skeddadles!!
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tertsius
2/10/2005
14:46:30
[ report this post ] | Raises hand
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May I be the first to take a stab at answering the Sicilian Question.
E4--C5
D4--CD
C3--DC
NC3.
For a sacrificed pawn white has two developed pieces: E-pawn and Queens Knight, while black has no pieces developed. White now has opened up the d-file the C1 to H6 diagonal the F1 to A6 diagonal and the D1 to A4 diagonal. He has complete freedom to develop his bishops and Queen in accordance to how Black develops his pieces. Accurate and swift development for White should put immediate pressure to any development schemes by Black.
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inarion
2/10/2005
18:18:13
[ report this post ] | The sicilian question
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While I would agree that white has a slight development advantage, black is but one PIECE behind in development, which, due to white's first move, is white's inherent advantage. Ergo...the only true advantage is the pawn at e4, which is offset by the loss of material. With sharp play, black can maintain a decent position, and can always give the pawn back at his leisure for other advantages.
(Inarion sets an apple down on the teacher's desk and sticks his toungue out at the tetse fly)
hehe...all in good fun folks!
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inarion
2/10/2005
18:27:56
[ report this post ] | oh yeah
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Not to mention black's 5-4 kingside pawn advantage...looking at the position, I think I would play 4....e6 to give my king's bishop some breathing room and then possibly follow with 5...d6 (although that is probably backwards from what should be played...LOL) to prevent an immediate e5. I dont like the ruy lopez, so would stay away from the immediate (yet logical) 4...e5 and Nc6 which invites 5.Nf3 followed by Bb5 leaving you with d6 and a backward pawn on the open queen's file. (yecch!) Would prefer a slightly cramped position to the above lopez type position without a white queen's pawn. Since this is my opinion, dont assume I know what I am talking about...LOL
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inarion
2/10/2005
18:31:21
[ report this post ] | oh yeah...oh yeah...I know
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a Binary Repeating Automaton Intelligence Network could very well be a ....brain? LOL...what a hoot...just got it! Good one fly guy!
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roxanol
2/11/2005
03:18:21
[ report this post ] | Brain? what dat??
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As for the Sicilian... the teste fly came closest. White has a small lead in developement but more important he has the open c and d files. a later e5 is always a threat. In this opening black usually has to struggle looking for good places for his Q. The c and d file causes developmental issues for black. So yes... a lead in developement is also important here, it is more significant then just having the move.
You guys get NO brownie points for the Lopez question!!!
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inarion
2/11/2005
03:45:40
[ report this post ] | Lopez question
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First thought (dont like it tho...) would be a tactical Qg5 threatening the bishop and the white g pawn. Actually the question is probably more strategic in nature, in which case I would consider letting white take the pawn back undefended, while developing my pieces and forcing white to retreat his bishop, again giving me a developing move at his expense of a tempo.
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roxanol
2/11/2005
04:02:14
[ report this post ] | Almost lost track...
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You almost lost site of the question but you jumped back in. Yes, the question is strategic in nature. But still no! What does that position (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nd4 4.Nxd4 ed Lopez:Bird) give black to work with?
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inarion
2/11/2005
04:48:44
[ report this post ] | hmmm
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most simply I suppose an open king file, and a queen side pawn majority, along with an advanded pawn. ...hmm...which with c5 gives black something of an advanced pawn blockade
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tertsius
2/11/2005
09:22:04
[ report this post ] | Jeff Goldblum here ")
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Let me wield my butter knife and take a stab at this Spanish Cleric Question.
_Firstly, white's response to ND4, with NxD4 is the weakest of the possible and plausible responses. This move Nd4 by black "The Bird" move to the Ruy is as rare as hens teeth in any recent GM play or CChess. The only two people that I know of from recent GK history that have played this variation with Black are the present DJ222 and the departed schachfruend, both females.
Now to the ginsu knives. What has White done and what has Black accomplished, in a nut shell that is!
1. 3. ....Nd4 challenges the two developed minor pieces of white. Attacking the undefended Ruy bishop on b5 and the protected Knight on f3. This also avoids the exchange variation of the Ruy by and by. It is hoped that White will move his attacked bishop and black will take the f3 Knight thus untidying whites Kingside pawn structure.
2. 4. NxD4 -- ExD4 Now what do we have what? Yes Johnny, you raised you hand first. We have what body part swell ten times it's normal size when stimulated. Kazing the iris of the eye, shame on the rest of you for thinking otherwise.
We have: White; has two pieces developed, a pawn on E4 and the Kings (Ruy) bishop sitting on b5 twiddling his thumbs doing nothing, all alone and undefended. Once he gets kicked around a bit by C6 he will eventually settle on B3 controlling the A2 to G8 diagonal. White has a castle move in hand soon to defend his other undefended E-pawn. But the most telling is his Queenside pawns are stymied by Blacks rascal pawn on D4. This pawn is unassailable at the moment and it will be difficult for white to develop fluidly around it. Yes d3 Nd2 and Nb3 but isn't that where we want the Bishop, hmm!
3. Black has a very brave pawn on d4 and no other developed piece, and it isn't even his move. But at this juncture it doesn't matter as he will wait to see if White moves his unattacked, at the moment Bishop or castle.
Tha tha tha tha that's all folks!
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invincible1
2/11/2005
13:18:20
[ report this post ] | :-(
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I guess I was too lazy to raise my hand.. and now there is hardly anything left for me to say! Had I answered in time, I am sure Your Highness Fearless Leader Roxy the Cairo Killer would have given me half a dozen brownie points for the sicilian game! I am in a Smith-Morra Gambit mini and Roxy is in the same one I think. I'll try to earn my brownie points then by crushing him in our two games ;-).....
Since our Captain has already answered sicilian, I move to the Lopez ....Nd4 thing, even though our Professor, Tertsius Marvel Crystal Ball Guy has analyzed it too pretty comprehensively...
From what I know, for .....Nd4, white can play 0-0 also rather than capture. But anyway, the question now has to do with the capture. So after ed4, as I see it:
(1) Black cramps white's development for the time being. The natural square for the b1 knight, c3, is no longer available. Its not easy to make that available either, as playing c3 would lead to a whole lot of other troubles, where black can even follow with something like d3 or even leave it there suitably. Also, black has the e-file, though I don't see this as a major advantage at all. Yes, black will get a tempo with c6 sometime.. perhaps even b5 will follow. Once the bishop is on b3, a5 etc is also possible. But basically, the bishop on b3 is rather stupid. Also, the c6, is sometimes important as it gives black's queen a chance to swing in that direction (though that happens more in some Schliemann Jaenisch gambit lines against the Ruy Lopez ?). Hmm.. what else.. yes, white's e4 pawn needs to be supported in case black attacks it, and that's again not easy. If white goes for d3, Nd2, everything is ugly, as knight stays there (remember, b3 square is also not availble, even though it wasn't great either!).
(2) One point I think Tert hasn't mentioned, that strikes me is, white has lost his f3 knight. White has also taken his f2 bishop away to the other side, and perhaps will have it locked up somewhere on b3.... so as I see it, whtie has lost his pieces to defend the kingside... and white will have to sooner or later go 0-0. Does this leave white's king in a little danger? Perhaps? Do you think black can go ahead with a mad pawn chase like h5 g5 etc? Maybe not, maybe yes. But black can certainly go Nf6 and then Bg4 sometime.. and then queen will also be under fire.. basically, I see that white's king is unsafe, because his only two pieces that normally guard the king are over!
(3) In a nutshell, even though white has some apparent lead in development, I get the feeling, black is sure to end up with some space advantage, at least on the queenside, and more active play on the kingside.....
The question had to do with what black can exploit, so I amnot writing about white, since its almost 3am here!
Roxy Sir, how many Brownie points do I get? Just tell me that I get more than my rival Tert and I'll be happy!
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tootsie
2/11/2005
18:00:02
[ report this post ] | openings
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Thanks Guys,
I feel like I'm eavesdropping with all this good information. Since I have to get to the board, I've copied so I can read it at leisure, set up my board and see what happens when I play the moves.
Tootsie
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pawns-kill
2/12/2005
11:39:08
[ report this post ] | PAWNS-KILL
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HAHAHAHAHA>LOL i allways spell wrong.thank god i dont need to spell in life.id be broke.lol im a great plumber though aaheeeeeeeeeeeee.to all new and older players hello.
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tertsius
2/12/2005
11:48:32
[ report this post ] | PAWNS-KILL
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if you are a plumber shouldn't your tag line be: Say no to Crack?? ")
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pawns-kill
2/12/2005
11:51:45
[ report this post ] | PAWNS-KILL
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ha ha well if u need to know.u must be on crack.but small crack here not a fat plumber here lol
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tertsius
2/12/2005
12:08:28
[ report this post ] | Okay Stanley Laurel
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I apologize for lumping you with the proletariat of plumbers, your more Dwayne Schneider then John Candy? Are you blonde by the way? ")
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pawns-kill
2/12/2005
15:10:44
[ report this post ] | PAWNS-KILL
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no harm done at all friend.it was nice chatting with you earlyer.also its great to have another nut on the team like me.sence of humor is great tertsuis.and really great to have you as a team mate.joe
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pawns-kill
2/12/2005
15:12:32
[ report this post ] | PAWNS-KILL
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a note to all>TOYS ROCK, AND WILL DESTROY.SO BACK OFF JACK:)
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roxanol
2/12/2005
20:08:52
[ report this post ] | Now we have two nuts!!
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Soon, we will be re-named Dangerous Nuts!! Wait a minuet.... never mind.
P.S. Joe, you missed spelled "tersius".
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pawns-kill
2/12/2005
22:13:02
[ report this post ] | PAWNS-KILL
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lol mike.ya i love that nick ) ok let me try again with my spelling>tersius my bad and didnt mean to spell it wrong .but i dont really give a damm on spelling hehe:)
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inarion
2/13/2005
05:33:35
[ report this post ] | hmmm (againn)
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Qe3 mate! It's actually tertsius...LOL...or is it tsetse...something like that...LOL
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tertsius
2/13/2005
06:15:22
[ report this post ] | Call me what you will
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but you cannot stay yourselves for long as the Borg will incorporate you, assimilate or die ")~ Sometimes you feel like a nut sometimes you don't, Dangerous Toys, Dangerous Nuts, Dangerous Potato chips, I 7 of 9 will surely software you in the end!
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inarion
2/13/2005
08:51:39
[ report this post ] | Our Captain
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Just showed me why he is our captain. I played the best game of my life, and was outclassed! He has earned my respect. Great game Roxanol! whew, that really wore me out...LOL
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tertsius
2/13/2005
09:00:26
[ report this post ] | Got to watch them Texas boys,
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inarion has been rode hard and put up wet. Hey inarion shouldn't you be heading to the hospital to have those spur marks on your ribs taken care of they look deep and gnarly ")
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inarion
2/13/2005
09:02:51
[ report this post ] | LOL
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You bet...heading there now...hehehe. Seriously tho...I thought I would at least give him a run for his money, but the threats! The Threats! OMG! Look out there, no, there! No...here! oops...dang, another one bites the dust....
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tertsius
2/13/2005
09:06:11
[ report this post ] | It is that Posse of his
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Roxanol is really Pat Garrett riding the range with his posse of deputized towns folk. How does a decent man like you inarion handle all those threats, shame on your opponent for using intimidation and extortion in a chess game, ") I have contacted Janet Reno, she will look into this, :-))~
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inarion
2/13/2005
09:16:40
[ report this post ] | LOL
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Weeelllllll, it was like this. Remember that group Humble Pie? Well, they retired, and I ate the pie...LOL...NO>>>dont call Janet! She will burn down the place looking for him, and Texas is a biiiiggg place...LOL
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tertsius
2/13/2005
09:42:41
[ report this post ] | White lab coats and white horses
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you will find that the guy who beat you up will be the guy with the stethoscope trying to stitch you back together, now there is a riddle for ya Scarecrow, hehe! Da dunt da dunt da dah dah Da dunt da dunt da dah dah, da dah, ")
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pawns-kill
2/13/2005
10:30:26
[ report this post ] | FREIND INARION
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didnt want to tell you when you told me you were playing the captain.wanted you to give it your best shot.but i new mike would lump you up.but aslong as you had alittle fun.i told you he was no joke.ps you should try his wife in a game i hear shes even tuffer:))>no joke:)
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