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roxanol
3/19/2005 13:36:53 [ report this post ] |
Subject: Dangerous Toys Self Destruction Forum
Message: OK, This is your Captain speaking!!! Let's try this again!! This is the team forum. Members and Non-members welcomed. This is a place to discuss whatever the heck you guys want to discuss, preferably Chess. Not like I could regulate what you guys discuss anyway.
Here are the rules (Not like I can enforce them):
1. NO KICKING
2. NO BITING
3. NO EYE GOUGING
4. NO NAME CALLING
Most importantly...
BE NICE TO ONE ANOTHER!!!!!!!!
Thank you for your time and your cooperation.
roxanol
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madmsurf
3/19/2005 13:57:19 [ report this post ] | Fischer
Message: Helllo team,
Now when Fischer has become Icelandic citizen and will propally move to Iceland(I hope he will behave in my country) I like to hear your opinon on this whole matter if you could,please.
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roxanol
3/19/2005 14:05:55 [ report this post ] | Behave??
Message: Now, when has Fischer ever behaved? It just isnt in his nature to behave. If he behaved, he wouldn't be Fischer. But yes, I hope he behaves also. Does this mean that Iceland does not have extradition laws to US? What has Japan decided?
The one real thing I wish from Fischer is that he would play Chess. Maybe he could join Dangerous Toys?
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madmsurf
3/19/2005 14:18:11 [ report this post ] |
Message: Yeas Iceland dose have a extradition laws to US but according to Icelandic law,its to long since he played in former Jugoslavia so he will not be send to USA for that reason alone,on the other hand I dont know what will happen if USA charge him with taxfraud.Japan has said that if he will get Icelandic zitizenship he will be sent to Iceland .so we expekt him here next week,they will send a plain after him!
BTW he will be our tenth GM.not bad for a nation of 290,000 .
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bigtony
3/19/2005 14:21:43 [ report this post ] | joke
Message: after 40 years of marrige...the man comes home one day and said to his wife.
i'm feeling verry sexy darling !!! can i do it through your ears...for once ???
the woman replyed...are you crazy ??? you want me to go deaf ???
and the man said...why.???after 40 years you can still talk !!!!!!!
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roxanol
3/19/2005 14:22:44 [ report this post ] | 10th GM!
Message: Not bad at all!
BTW... what is the deal with this team Russian rocket? They haven't lost any games you said?
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madmsurf
3/19/2005 14:26:36 [ report this post ] | Russian rocket
Message: No thats right! check them out ,something strange goin on
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roxanol
3/19/2005 14:29:49 [ report this post ] | I agree
Message: I remember when they started off they would not accept challenges from a team unless the team had a certain rating. Strange? Well, the way the GK rating is set up, they wont be number one for long.
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madmsurf
3/19/2005 14:33:43 [ report this post ] | Russian rocket
Message: They seems to outrate heir opponents ain most games by 100-200 points,how is that possible in team play?
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roxanol
3/19/2005 15:10:10 [ report this post ] | ..
Message: If the oppossing team captain allows it, then any rating pairing is possible. Team challenging is a 3 step process. Here is how it works...
STEP 1: I send a challenge to a team captain, it may look something like this...
Opponent team Selected players Status
"Driver's Trojan's" madmsurf (1742)
budinst (1299)
tootsie (1164)
shimi (830) 3 days per move
The oppossing team captain recieves the above challenge and selects ANY (no matter what their ratings are) of his player to play against my selected players. He will select his players and send it back which brings us to...
Step 2: I recieve the challenge back which now may look something like this...
Opponent team Selected players Status
"Driver's Trojan's" madmsurf (1742) philemon (1614) 3 days per move
budinst (1299) angellis (1484) waiting for approval
tootsie (1164) kfholm (1447) [ approve | decline ]
shimi (830) aurosu2 (1421)
Notice the ratings and notice the little "approve and decline" option that is available to me. That is step 3!! Regardless of the ratings, if I click on the approve link, then the server will start the team match and assign the games automatically.
I hope this explains somewhat how challenges are done? However, there is another way that some teams cheat. They lowere their players ratings on purpose. I will use my self as an example. Let us say my actual GK rating should be around 2350. In order to keep my rating low, I play many private games against low rated players and purposefully resign them, thereby falsely lowering my rating which will allow me to pair myself against lower rated opponents in team matches .
Not very fair but there are some out there who are doing it. A few points before I close this up...
1) Chris ( driver ) is the Captain of Driver's Trojans. A very respectable Man and Team. The above challenge was falsely created as an example to demonstrate how team challenges are done between us captains.
2) I do not encourage any form of cheating. Dangerous Toys has been and always will be an honest team. If you are on this team, I expect you to follow the rules of Gameknot. Anyone who is found breaking those rules will be expelled from the team.
That is all, Thank You
roxanol
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pawns-kill
3/20/2005 11:41:57 [ report this post ] | to be blunt pisses me off
Message: yes i know their are players who lower their scores for team games.really is upsetting to me.i know the captains are very busy.but can they look at a players profile please.if hes a reg.1700 player lets say and now for match time he is 1500 i want my catain to decline this cheat.no not afraid to play him.i wish not to play a cheat and i will have no respect fort his man or lady.all im saying is hit decline on my match if this is seen in a profile.how stupid this would be if we all did this something should be done about these people.thanx all joe:)
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pawns-kill
3/20/2005 11:45:17 [ report this post ] | bye the way
Message: best captain and a great guy roxl and a good freind is mike.how he puts up with me and my spelling ill never know lol
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roxanol
3/20/2005 13:07:43 [ report this post ] | We try...
Message: Yes, it is a problem. Every Captain struggles with this. I do try to look over every profile but even I (Mr.I dont have a life) seems to get a little busy here and there. One of the biggest cheats was discovered not by me but by one of you guys mentioning suspicion to me. So, everyone can help by letting me know if they suspect anything.
BTW Joe, I think you mean "By the way" instead of "Bye the way". Just messing with you of course!
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pawns-kill
3/20/2005 19:13:17 [ report this post ] | bye the way lol
Message: thanx for the reply cap.signing out for now.bad toy joe:)
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pawns-kill
3/20/2005 19:28:44 [ report this post ] | toys rock
Message: to all my team mates new and old just want to say hi and that we as a team have really come a long way in the last few months.keep up the good play.and please to all new members their are many good people on this team anyone of us will help you or point you to the right person if you feel you want to get better at your game or a weakness that you may have.trust me since i have played the captain mike in a few unrated games and also the most slavia:) he has brought me to a new leval of play but me im never happy till i improve much more.ill fight till the end.unless really hopeless and allways even when hopeless ill look for a draw 3 move perpetual no shame in that.i really take my team to heart and im really competative love my chess not so good but i love the game.respect it and who i play allways.hope i didnt bore anyone if so who cares lol:) take care all my team mates stay safe happy.and all none team mates.take it easy have fun joe.
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pawns-kill
3/20/2005 19:33:25 [ report this post ] | typo error
Message: last line and to all none team mates stay safe,happy and have fun also joe.
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roxanol
3/20/2005 20:37:59 [ report this post ] | Nothing wrong with that...
Message: A win is a win, a loss is a loss and a draw is a draw. There are a few ways to draw. We have previously discussed this in a forum. There is nothing shamefull about drawing a lost game!! Either A) it was not a lost game after all but a drawn game or B) your opponent was not skillful enough to convert the game into a win.
I dont care if your opponent had 8 Queens and you only had your King, your opponent can say "I would have, could have, should have" all they want but if you draw by perpetual check or stalemate.... it doesn't matter!! It's a draw!!
Here are some examples from our team mates:
board #2874400
board #2863066
board #2862700
board #2895621
board #2867816
And my own personal favorite of why we should continue to play on until we are checkmated!! Courtesy of slavia I have named this one... Never Surrender!! Maybe I should have named it Shame on you!! :)
board #2533341
At any rate, Joe (pawns-kill) has the right idea! Keep fighting. Even when you are in a terrible position, look for a solid and terribly stubborn defense. And when it is hopeless, look for a way to draw.
Here is a recent game of mine that the only reason I escaped loss was because I switched to defense! If I had continued to think attack... I would have lost...
board #2725941
So, the point??? Dont give up too easy and readily. Fight hard and defend hard! Defending can be just as exciting as attacking. Use your head!
roxanol
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roxanol
3/20/2005 20:53:00 [ report this post ] | Hey look...
Message: ...another one!!
board #2910072
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roxanol
3/20/2005 23:04:44 [ report this post ] | This guy...
Message: ... must have missed class??
board #2613616
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bigtony
3/21/2005 09:04:11 [ report this post ] | fischer
Message: Hey you guys.....what's all this about "behave".....were does one draw the line and say, he is NOT " behaving ". das any one out there think that icelandic government is stupid ??? or maybe they know something we dont .....
and in my way of thinking,a man sould be alloud to live were ever he oshe wants...
there should be NO borders.....the world is so BIG,everyone slould have a say......
why people have to have PASSPORTS....this planet belongs to the people.....and not to "governments"...didn't we learn enough from history..2 world wars ...etc ???
i think people should leave fischer alone,and start thinking of "globalisation"
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pawns-kill
3/21/2005 10:13:18 [ report this post ] | bigtony:)
Message: you put alot on the table their as far as ficher goes yes leave him alone.as far as no passports no governments although they are carzy at times we need them.to let anyone into the usa would be crazy u must agree on that i hope just look at the twin towers:( to many sick people want to destroy us.being a american i support fully passports.borders ect.sad world at times just my opinion freind:) opened up a can of worms their that we can talk about for years without getting anywere take care joe
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pawns-kill
3/21/2005 10:14:56 [ report this post ] | bye the way:)
Message: thanx captain for replying on your thoughts and for the games you posted here very helpfull and to the point.joe:)
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kleine_schlampe
3/21/2005 14:16:57 [ report this post ] | Mein letzter Beitrag
Message: Es tut mir so schecklich leid, daß ich Sie wieder enttäuscht habe. Ich war nach Lanzarote von meinen Söhnen eingeladen, weil die Operation so gut verlaufen war. Deshalb habe ich leider keine Zeit zum Spielen gehabt. Ich wollte mich nur bei Ihnen allen entschuldigen und danke für die schöne Zeit sagen, die ich mit Ihnen hatte.
Ich wünsche euch allen viel glück und hoffe für die Zukunft, daß wir mehr als 30 Tage Urlaub nehmen dürfen, wenn es den Umständen angemessen ist.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Paula Schmidt
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bigtony
3/22/2005 01:41:58 [ report this post ] | chess......
Message: i think IF the world destroy their "GUNS" and buy a chess board... the world WILL be happppppy !!! as for you joe,"PAWNS-KILL",your giving the "rite" message buddy. it's better to kill "pawns " than humans..... is there anyone out there who will desagreeeeee ????
tony
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roxanol
3/22/2005 07:29:51 [ report this post ] | I agree...
Message: with Big Tony. Take all the guns away and in exchange give a Chessboard. Kill pawns not people!
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bigtony
3/22/2005 08:51:29 [ report this post ] | thanks
Message: thanks michael !!!!! not only for being a great captain,but for a great head over your sholders !!!!! only wish the hole world will think like this....then we can all sleep EASY every night ...BRAVO !!! you have my vote anytime ...
tony
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tootsie
3/23/2005 13:55:38 [ report this post ] | When to resign?
Message: I believed in fighting on until checkmated, but after several opponents complained about my inability to give up the game I decided to check it out. The rules didn't speak to it that I could find. I watched a few GM games and was devastated to learn a player would resign with a board full of pieces. I have resigned a couple since then and it really torqs my cork to do so. I had come to believe it was bad sportsmanship to continue on when even a blind man could see the game was lost. Part of my eternal optimism has been even a winning player can make a mistake I "might" be able to captalize on. Am I hearing now it's ok to play on even though one is minus umpteen points? I know there are no hard and fast rules concerning this but what about sportsmanship?
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pawns-kill
3/23/2005 15:36:40 [ report this post ] | tootsie
Message: hi all i can say to you is play your game its yours i dont care if the other guy gal complains about you enjoy your game u never know joe:)do as u want in life not as others wish please:)
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tootsie
3/23/2005 16:59:18 [ report this post ] |
Message: Joe,
I have always had my own drummer to follow, heck, I've been the drummer. I am also very cognizant of sportsmanship and my own hardheadedness. So, I try to balance the two. I do appreciate your reply and look forward to another game with you. I've used your good advice about taking my time and it has helped. I'm going back to rehab again for playing to quickly because I'm speeding back up and paid dearly in one game for it. One more move and the game would have been mine, now I may lose it all together.
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roxanol
3/24/2005 08:14:26 [ report this post ] | To resign or not to resign...
Message: ... that is the question.
And a good topic it is, tootsie. I say a good topic because this is a subject that pops up quite frequently (FREQUENTLY) throughout GK forums. Mostly it is players complaining that there opponents wont resign, then you have the forum filled up with why they may not be resigning and then you have the other group replying why they should just resign... and it goes on and on.
Yes, you will se GM's resigning games while there are still many pieces on the board. Hmmm? Why is that? There understanding of the game is alot higher then ours. ALOT higher!! Believe me. Sometimes the win of a single pawn is enough to have one GM resign against another GM... it all depends on the position. The GM losing the pawn would have to feel that he has compensation somewhere else for his lost pawn. If he does not, he is well aware that the win of that single pawn is enough for the other GM to win so.... he resigns because he sees how he himself could win the position if the tables were turned and he knows the other GM is just as knowledgable as he is. Another way is they can see positionally better then we can, they can judge when a position is positionally lost. Material is not everything, there are other factors on a Chessboard, factors that are near invisible. That is what makes it so difficult to explain. Trust me, I am struggling here trying to explain something that I really cant explain.
Let's try a different tact..
When to resign? There are two answers to that. What the rules say and what Good Sportsmanship says. The first one is simple.
The rules: They mention NOTHING about resigning! A player is never REQUIRED to resign. There are NO guidelines as to when a player should resign.
OK. Now the second and harder one.
Good Sportsmanship: YOU SHOULD RESIGN WHEN YOU ARE DEFEATED.
Sounds simple? Well, sure but, the problem is sometimes the other player thinks/knows you are defeated but, that doesnt mean you think/know you are. Then what? Then the basic rules protect you. A player is never required to resign. The rules of Chess never mention the word resign.
Here is an example: roxanol vs. GM Kasparov Let's say the opening goes well and we are well into the middle game. Let's say I have an outside passed pawn and because of this I decide to exchange into an endgame. Let's say the endgame I transposed into was a R vs. B+N endgame. Now, lets us assume that at that point Kasparov (because of his endgame knowledge) knows that he has a won game and cannot understand why I exchanged into a lost endgame and why I have not resigned? The reason is simple, because him and I are at different skill levels. I do not see what he sees.
So, here on GK... just because you think your opponent should resign, does not mean that they see it. If they play on then let them play on! the rules allow it!
Like I said, this topic has come up many times here on the forums. Here was my favorite (almost word for word):
"I am soooo mad. Something has to be done about these people who do not gracefully resign! I had a won game and my opponent just kept making moves. I kept messaging him to resign but he would only make his moves. Eventually, he drew the game by repetition, when he should have resigned many moves back"
OK, now that one had me laughing!! What is wrong with that picture??
Last subject:
tootsie , you asked why am I advocating to play on in lost positions? The answer, like everything else here is not too easy. Let me try.....
There are different degrees of "how lost" a position is. Is it materially lost? Is it positionally lost? If it is Materially lost, is ther positional compensation to work with? I mean to fight on in positions that give some hope, like a draw. If the position is DEAD lost (like your opponent has 8 Queens and you have just a King), then by all means it would be silly to play on. Also, look at the position tootsie, if you are playing me and it ends up my B+N vs. your King, I know how to do that mate but, if you are playing against an 1000 rated player, they may not know how to corral your King with those two pieces (very difficult).
Some practical examples:
Here, my opponent at one point wrote "sorry but I think you are lost."
board #2391860
Here, I sacrificed my Queen at move 12 with 12.Qf4!? which turned out to be a bad idea. If this was OTB I would have resigned but I decided to fight for a draw and instead, my opponent blundered and I won.
board #2358758
Here, I resigned while there are many pieces on the board! Should I have played on or was I justified in resigning??
board #2415412
Ex.1: Rook endgame are notoriously drawish even if one side has an extra pawn or two. Should I have resigned here or played on?
board #2442105
Ex.2: Sure, he has a R vs. my B but look at my beautiful passed pawns! Why would I resign?
board #2550285
Ex3: Another confusing piece configuration. Why would I resign such a position?
board #2377601
Ex.4: Only down a pawn, why would I resign?
board #2464488
Well, enough babbling from your insane Captain. I will leave you guys here. But, I have this final bit of advice. When to resign??
Resign when YOU feel you are defeated.
roxanol
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beanie
3/24/2005 12:05:48 [ report this post ] | To resign or not to resign.....
Message: I think our Captain has summed it up right.
If the game is lost, and there is no way out and no way to play for a draw, then it is only sporting to resign. However, I hate being asked to resign. If anyone ever asks me to resign, I always play on to the bitter end - the longer the better.
Is there any code of conduct for Gameknot? If not, there probably should be - covering topics like this, deliberately giving yourself a low ranking to get a better team/tournament record etc.
Any more ideas for the Toys code of conduct.....
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madmsurf
3/24/2005 13:57:28 [ report this post ] | To resign or not
Message: I am surprised to hear that there are players out there asking you to resign! I would never ask my oponent to resign,I on the other hand always resign when I know I do not have any chance left to save the game.I hate it when people keep dragging tatally lost games and even postponing them.this is very common here on this server.I respect my oponnent always and feel it is very bad sportmanship to delay lost games by all means,I play OTB games also and I find that only the juniors play to the bitter end ,
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roxanol
3/24/2005 15:30:04 [ report this post ] | Good idea...
Message: ... beanie
Never thought of that. A code of Conduct for our team. Currently, this is what I send to new members...
There are a few guidelines...
1. You are free to play as many or as few games as you want.
2. Do not feel pressured to win. Dangerous Toys does not care if you lose a game. Dangerous Toys only cares that you have fun playing your games.
3. Please be polite to other teams.
4. Please tell your team captain if you have ANY problems, complaints, suggestions, comments, or concerns. Remember... if you have a problem, I have a problem. I will do my best to solve it quickly.
Not very comprehensive or complete. Rule number 3 is the only real conduct rule and it's rather broad and allows much room for self interpretation. Any ideas anyone? Remember... we are not a prison, just a few basic rules of conduct like... No biting your opponent on the ear or No kicking your opponents feet. Wait, maybe that's something else??
Hmmm?
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beanie
3/25/2005 00:49:52 [ report this post ] | Code of Conduct
Message: I think number 3 covers most things. I like the idea of a new number 5:
"No kicking, biting, or eye gouging". We need to be considerate to those within striking distance of our PC while we are playing !!!
To madmsmurf
I haven't been asked to resign too often, but it has happened. I also find it frustrating when I have a clear victory, and someone plays on to the death. Still, I try to remember that everyone has a right to play on for as long as they like - even when they have no chance of even a draw - and it is rude to ask someone to resign.
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bigtony
3/25/2005 03:55:45 [ report this post ] | No 6
Message: what "pisses" me off,is when an opponent is "cornered" ,and plays 3 the same moves , so he/she will get a draw... i dont call that chess... i rather go down with my head hi !!! any comment on that...
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roxanol
3/25/2005 16:33:10 [ report this post ] | I have a coment...
Message: He isn't cornerd if he is able to go back and forth! The glory of the game is to Checkmate the enemy king, not trap and corner him and hope he surrenders like a good boy. Lets compare this to real life (sorta). Let's say your massive Army lays seige to an opponents Army. During battle, the opposing King loses all his men but as your Army is smashing through his Castle gates he runs and locks himself into an impenetrable bunker before your army is able to get him. Now, because this is dark ages time, this bunker is nothing like you have ever seen. It turns out that it is self contained up to 200 years. Food, water, everything!! Get the point about the bunker? OK, let's move on. It turns out that you Corp of engineers has found away to open the bunker up but, unfortunately... it will take your whole Army and they will not survive. So, you can either do that and there will only be you and the other King (draw... I guess in real life you guys could fight each other?) OR... you and your great Army can try to wait him out (move back and forth for the next 200+ years). Now, in this scenarion... what you are saying is the equivalent of you banging on his bunker door and demanding that he surrender himself and come on out so he can be executed. Now, he's in there with his playstation, food and beer for the next 200+ years and an internet conection with GameKnot... do you think he will stay in his bunker (draw) or come out (resign)?
Hmmmm??
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roxanol
3/25/2005 16:37:13 [ report this post ] | Dear Beanie...
Message: Rule number 5 will soon be added to existing rules. :)
I am thinking of adding some positions to our team. Positions like asst. captain, coach, public relations, etc.. etc.. etc..
Any ideas on what positions would be most usefull and which ones would just be downright useless?
slavia, your so pessimistic so shhhh!
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slavia
3/25/2005 17:55:15 [ report this post ] |
Message: my personal opinion on resigning goes as follows.
whether I resign or not depends on my opponent and the position. If I know that I am playing a weaker opponent, I will play on even if I lose a figure through a blunder. If I am playing an opponent whom I know to be my equal and the position is one where I have no chances of attack, I will resign the moment when the game is not fun for me. If I simply don't have any attacking chances, I see no reason not to play on.
What do I mean by weaker and stronger opponent? I mean those terms in purely subjective way. I am a 1750 player at the moment, so for me, I see a small chance to recover against sub-1600 players. Above 1600, I would consider resigning. At 1700, I would resign right away. So maybe considering resigning is something one should do depending on what one's opponent's rating is.
Second, position might be the key. In one of my games which Roxanol posted above, I had only had a king v. 4 pawns and a knight. I played on for a slim chance at a draw and won through a time out. I wasn't proud of myself, but anytime one only has a kind, I think it is worth playing on. Similarly, as Roxanol said above, if one has attacking chances, it is worth playing on, if not, one should consider resigning. What is the point of playing on otherwise. Chess should be fun.
As for the adding of positions to the team, I think we should have a treasuror to manage all the money I am sending to Roxanol to work as our captain. We need a secretery who would retype our typed emails so we don't have to type posts, and we also need 3 coaches to give advise to beginners, intermediate and advanced players when it is no longer possible to use the game database feature b/c our opponent has made a silly move no one else has made before. Please send messages to Roxanol with your nominations. But be aware that the deadline will pass the moment this message posts. So hurry. (:
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tootsie
3/25/2005 18:45:39 [ report this post ] |
Message: I appreciate all the replies to the question of resigning. Very interesting indeed. Everyone does have a different opinion.
Slavia,
Since the deadline has passed for all the good positions you recommended I vote for you to fill all of them. A thinker upper is a doer. LOL
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roxanol
3/25/2005 20:08:22 [ report this post ] | !! ATTENTION !!
Message: I have tentatively come up with a few positions. They will be:
1.) Co-Captain (1 position)
2.) Team Coaches (unspecified number of positions)
3.) Social Director (1 position)
4.) Public Relations (1 positions)
Please no serious applications at this time. Not until I am able to explain what I expect of each position. Please note, everything is subject to change. Yes, I need these positions filled, it would help out by a long shot!!!
roxanol
P.S. I will post updates as I can.
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roxanol
3/25/2005 20:11:39 [ report this post ] | Amendment...
Message: also like a Team Police or Bouncer. I will explain later, trust me.
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slavia
3/25/2005 20:14:30 [ report this post ] |
Message: @tootsie
funny!!! I had a really good laugh. Thanks!
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bigtony
3/26/2005 04:18:30 [ report this post ] | maffia
Message: co-captain,team coaches,social directors,public relations,police,bouncers,
i cant help laughing....all we need is a couple of "hit" men and we are in business..
doesent that sound like an organise crime ??? dont get me wrong ... but i cant help laughing...it realy makes one think...!!!!! go for it michael .....
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roxanol
3/26/2005 06:06:54 [ report this post ] | Actually...
Message: Police and bouncer is under the same idea.... I just dont know what to call the position. When I describe the job duties (there not stupid... BTW), the position title will make more sense.
Basically, all of these positions are being held by me. I'm doing it all. I will not create a made-up, has no purpose position. I am making these positions to kinda help me out. To take some of the work load off.
Like I said... I have not quite explained the purpose of each position. So, hang in there!!
Michael
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roxanol
3/26/2005 08:54:03 [ report this post ] | !! ATENTION !!
Message: OK. These are the positions that will be created:
1.) Assistant Captain
2.) Activities Director
3.) Public Relations Director
4.) Chess Coach(s)
Now, here is the Scoop...
Since this is the first time I am trying this, All of these positions will be held by players appointed by me. I have specific players in mind for these positions and I have some good reasons for my choices.
Keep in mind... this is all superficial. Experimental. Nothing is written in stone here on GK and, things can and will change. This is preliminary.
Stay tuned for further details...
roxanol
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pawns-kill
3/26/2005 09:35:26 [ report this post ] | someing this up in a nut shell
Message: no need for me to go on about when to resign ect.if you are a weker player that really doesnt understand the game well position ect.and are here to just enjoy chess play.i say do so im with roxanol,and slavia both well put and spoken about this matter.i will respond as slavia will unless my oppoinent just doesnt have a clue i will see this bye his moves.as for bigtony look dude if i can pull out a 3 move draw when im out played or have no other option i will every time shame on the other player who dosent catch this.a good player will see this so the end on this matter joe:) only my oppinion do not take anything persanal what i say:)happy eater to all that celibrate this and a good safe weekend joe:)
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pawns-kill
3/26/2005 17:39:43 [ report this post ] | bigtony
Message: my point of veiw and i allways state it no matter whay may happen u seem very angry my freind at the world government ect.ya alot of it i dont agree but to change it hmmmm gota chill negativity kills change is good but somethings you have to let go if u know what i mean u are starting to get under my skin :)) dont take this persanal
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pawns-kill
3/26/2005 17:43:20 [ report this post ] | :)
Message: this site is mainly for chess talk but id like to also not stick on one subject.your point of veiw is great but lets no debate about it for yrs cause its what would happen thanx bigtony
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pawns-kill
3/26/2005 17:53:02 [ report this post ] | typos
Message: sorry long day:)
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pawns-kill
3/26/2005 17:57:16 [ report this post ] | typos
Message: sorry:)
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pawns-kill
3/26/2005 18:10:59 [ report this post ] | happy easter
Message: gignt mean for the secound typo mistake
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