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yanm
11/08/2005
23:42:57
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 Subject: les cavaliers fous, forum I
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hu, let us have a forum... I don't know if it is usefull, but we will see;)
Best,
--Yannick
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yanm
11/08/2005
23:58:45
[ report this post ] | Proposition
Message:
Who is interested in a King of the Mountain Competition
The rules are simple. First, the lowest rated player in the competition challenges the player just above him/her in the rating list. Then, the winner of this game challenges the next one in the list, and so on... The last to win is the king (or queen, hu?) of the competition! Note that the lowest rated player always plays with white....
So, who want to play this competition within our team?
Best,
--Yannick
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beholder28
11/09/2005
00:52:26
[ report this post ] | tournament
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If we set it going, I'd certainly like to play. But what happens if a game is drawn?
Allez les fous!
beholder28
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seekez
11/09/2005
01:54:12
[ report this post ] | king
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This type of competition is known in the UK as a ladder, at least in games like squash which I played 40 years ago!
I would like to play but only if you restrict me to 5 oponents in a match.
Tony
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raivax
11/09/2005
08:00:07
[ report this post ] | Mmmmm
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i'll play now.
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yanm
11/09/2005
08:37:45
[ report this post ] | For now,
Message:
...have signed in:
1323 seekez
1500 yanm
1617 raivax
1661 beholder28
Now, we wait to see if more teamates are interested, and then we can start;)
--Yannick
PS1 Toni, you play only a single game at a time in this King of the mountain / ladder competition
PS2 beholder28, I think that in case of draw the game has to be replayed, the lower rated opponent having white again...
PS3 we can make the rule a bit more flexible and say that the lower rated players has always the choice of color, hu?
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beholder28
11/09/2005
08:51:49
[ report this post ] | choice of color
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I agree on that. I guess if someone feels more comfortable with Black, s/he should be free to choose so... :)
Allez les fous!
beholder28
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beholder28
11/09/2005
09:02:37
[ report this post ] | ps
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...I mean, with the replay-system in case of a draw it's not THAT important, but I know that in some kinds of competition (mostly unformal, such as 5-min. blitz) the "rule" is that White has to play for a win because draws count as a win for Black (that is, the guy who played as Black "keeps his seat").
Allez les fous!
beholder28
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butnerman
11/09/2005
17:30:16
[ report this post ] | sounds good
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If we wanted this could be an almost nonstop ladder. Once, we get down to the last two; the players that have been eliminated can start going at it again. Hopefully, after a few times around, several players will get their moment in the sun.
james
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yanm
11/09/2005
23:28:42
[ report this post ] | So for the moment,
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...have signed in:
1323 seekez
1500 yanm
1617 raivax
1661 beholder28
1672 butnerman
And the ladder rule are as follows. First, the lowest rated player in the competition challenges the player just above him/her in the rating list. Then, the winner of the game challenges the next one on the list, and so on... until the ladder is completed!
NB1) The lower rated player always has the choice of colors.
NB2) In case of draw, the game has to be replayed.
NB3) When the last game in the ladder is played a new ladder is started.
NB4) Lets call the games: Ladder game, les cavaliers fous...
Now lets wait to see if our last three teammates turn in... then we can start!
Allez les fous;)
--Yannick
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muktadir
11/11/2005
20:36:08
[ report this post ] | signing in
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how can I sign in?
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yanm
11/14/2005
07:53:20
[ report this post ] | So for the moment,
Message:
...have signed in:
1290 seekez
1323 muktadir
1483 mirjana
1500 yanm
1617 raivax
1661 beholder28
1672 butnerman
The first game has not yet started as muktadir has too many games at the moment!
--Yannick
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beholder28
11/17/2005
04:31:28
[ report this post ] | King of the mountain
Message:
When will it start?
Allez les fous!
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muktadir
11/17/2005
22:25:05
[ report this post ] | sorry
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I am very sorry for the delay being for my concurrent games limit. I need to finish only one game to start it. I hope to finish it today.
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muktadir
11/17/2005
22:30:59
[ report this post ] | webpage for team
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hi!
I want to make a webpage ( maybe a site afterwards ) for our team. Can anyone provide me with the necessary graphics that can show some craziness of our knights?
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yanm
11/17/2005
23:01:48
[ report this post ] | webpage...
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that's a good idea...
On my profile I use the idea of Don Quijote (-> en.wikipedia.org ) to represent a crazy knight... maybe somebody has a better idea?
Regards
--Yannick
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muktadir
11/18/2005
10:00:50
[ report this post ] | images
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it would be better if everyone has his own type of crazy knight.be sure of copyright if you manage to get any image from other site
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muktadir
11/21/2005
10:08:45
[ report this post ] | competition!
Message:
the competition has started
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yanm
11/22/2005
00:00:45
[ report this post ] | King of the Mountain
Message:
1st ladder:
1290 seekez -- current King
1323 muktadir -- current challenger (board #4120954)
1483 mirjana
1500 yanm
1617 raivax
1661 beholder28
1672 butnerman
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muktadir
11/22/2005
04:14:51
[ report this post ] | my baby!
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HI all!
By the grace of God, I am going to be a father on next july. Pray for me, Please. I am only excited.
---Muktadir
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pdcb
11/25/2005
04:00:53
[ report this post ] | king of mountain
Message:
only just worked out how to access this forum. happy to participate in king of mountain, although i imagine im more of a pawn of a hill given my recent unfailing ability to snatch defeat from the claws of victory. I also currently am maxed out but anticipate stupid losing move shortly.
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yanm
11/25/2005
04:45:28
[ report this post ] | pdcb
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No problem, I will sign you in for the next round (in this round you're rating already went by)... Good to see you aboard!
-- Yannick
PS I guess we can sart the next round once the current round reachs a certain stage, maybe we can wait for the last match to begin or start earlier...
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yanm
11/25/2005
04:48:19
[ report this post ] | Mirjana
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I would like to congratulate our teammate mirjana for her impressive record in team matches: so far eight wins out of eight games! That's an impressive start!
Hurray for Miriam!
--Yannick
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beholder28
11/25/2005
05:02:44
[ report this post ] | King of the Mountain
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Hi everybody!
I was just thinking, the "next round" could start more or less whenever we want, even as soon as the first game ends. After that, pdcb would play against the loser and they could start even while the second game is still going on, as they would be playing on a lower step of the ladder, right?
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure some of you are more familiar with this kind of competition than I am.
In the meantime, hoorray for Mirjana and for Muktadir's child!!!
Allez les fous!
beholder28
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muktadir
11/25/2005
05:34:28
[ report this post ] | parallel clans!
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hi all
beholder28 has proposed a very nice idea. It would be more interesting if we play 3 clans in parallel.So that we will have a king, a queen and a prince as winners!Everything now depends on our Don.
Allez les fous!
Note: what about the pictures for the proposed website? Can anyone provide any picture under his own rights?
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yanm
11/25/2005
05:56:14
[ report this post ] | parallel ladders...
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... is a good idea. But I think that we should not have more of two or three of them in parallel (after that it might be difficult to manage them). So I propose that we start the next ladder as soon as the third game of the first ladder finishes.
Allez les fous!
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muktadir
11/28/2005
23:35:45
[ report this post ] | next game!
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Hi yannick!
I am the king now. but no one has challenged me yet. Please tell the next high rated player to challenge me!
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yanm
11/29/2005
06:19:01
[ report this post ] | 1st ladder update
Message:
1290 seekez -- defeated (board #4120954)
1376 muktadir -- current King
1485 yanm -- current challenger (board #4160225)
1539 mirjana
1565 raivax
1651 butnerman
1715 beholder28
The first game of the ladder is completed, and we moved to the second one... I also updated the list order to reflect new order!
Maybe one of our higher rated players could analyse the game between seekez and muktadir and post it on this message board...
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yanm
11/30/2005
22:30:35
[ report this post ] | 1st ladder update
Message:
1290 seekez -- defeated (board #4120954)
1376 muktadir -- defeated (bd= 4160225)
1485 yanm -- current King
1539 mirjana -- current challenger (bd= 4165888)
1565 raivax
1651 butnerman
1715 beholder28
The second game of the ladder is completed, and we moved to the third one... Maybe one of our
higher rated players could analyse the games and post the comments on this message board?
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muktadir
12/01/2005
04:02:26
[ report this post ] | analyzing games!
Message:
no one seems interested :-(
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beholder28
12/01/2005
09:08:45
[ report this post ] | analysis
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Ahem... I think I need some time for that.
I've already promised yanm to give some comments on your game, although I strongly encourage all of you to be critical towards what I say and not to take anything for granted. As a matter of fact I consider myself an intuitive player, so don't expect me to give deep calculation but rather my impressions on your moves. I hope that will suit you.
I'll be back as soon as possible.
And by the way, I hope to hear someone else's view too...! :)
Allez les fous!
beholder28
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muktadir
12/01/2005
21:19:17
[ report this post ] | meaning?
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What is the meaning of Allez les fous? pls give meaning of every word separately , too
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yanm
12/02/2005
04:48:10
[ report this post ] | It's in french
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Allez ~ 'go on'
les ~ 'the'
fous ~ 'crazies' (but also 'bishops')
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beholder28
12/03/2005
13:01:57
[ report this post ] | here it is
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muktadir - yanm
King of the Mountain tournament
1. c4 e5
The English seems to be muktadir's favorite opening with White.
2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bb4
This is a typical idea for Black in the English: its purpose is usually to fight for the light squares in the center (e4 and d5) by exchanging the dark-squared bishop for White's c3-knight, who's controlling them.
4. Qb3 Nc6 5. e3 O-O
It sounds strange after only 5 moves, but Black is already clearly ahead in development: he has brought 3 minor pieces into play, the f8-rook is ready to join them AND his king is safe after k-side castling. White instead has developed only his queen and a knight that's going to be exchanged immediately, and in the meantime his king is stuck in the center, still three (!) moves away from castling: this is enough to send the alarm bell ringing.
6. Bg2
Even though I don't play exactly the main lines in the English Opening, when I set up the structure with pawns on d2-e3-f2 I tend to put this bishop on e2. Anyway, this is mainly a matter of taste and obviously 6.Bg2 is not wrong.
6...Bxc3 7. Qxc3
To be honest I don't like this recapture: muktadir has played it before (in a slightly different position) but now White's queen seems to be doing nothing: from c3 she controls very few squares. I prefer 7.bxc3, recapturing towards the center and opening lines for White's queen's rook (the b-file) and bishop (the c1-a3 diagonal).
7...d6
Now Black's pawn chain and the c6-knight restrict very much the white queen. Maybe this is what prompted White to push his d-pawn forward (he must open some lines...) but with the king still in the center this requires very careful play, because Black is more active and it's much easier for him to play the next few moves.
8. d4 exd4 9. exd4 Qe7+ 10. Ne2
This looks a bit passive: now Black's pieces spring forward very aggressively. I think I'd play 10.Be3.
10...Bg4 11. Bf1
This is terribly passive and loses more tempi: White's bishop goes back to the starting square but the h1-a8 diagonal has been weakened. Maybe White underestimated the danger of his king's position. It wasn't too late to play 11.Be3. Probably muktadir did not want to lose castling rights (after 11...Bxe2 12.Kxe2) but now White is under real pressure: the opponent attacks and he's only defending.
11...Rfe8 12. Be3 Bf3 13. Rg1 Ng4 14. O-O-O
Losing a valuable pawn, but the position was very difficult to play with White. All his pieces are very passive.
14...Nxe3 15. fxe3 Qxe3+
Forcing a queen trade.
16. Qxe3 Rxe3 17. Rd2 Rae8 18. Nc3 Nb4 19. b3
This error made things easier for yanm, but Black's advantage was too big anyway.
19...Rxc3+ 20. Kb2 Rce3
21. a3 Nc6 22. g4 Re1 23. h3 Be2 24. Bxe2 Rxg1 0-1
Allez les fous!
beholder28
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muktadir
12/04/2005
12:04:25
[ report this post ] | further discussion
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I am too busy with my exams. Just a little comment
7. Qxc3
That was the move which actually spoiled my game.the right move was bxc3. his movement of queen night would be restricted then and my queen would be more active. Thanks for the analysis. I will see it through when my exams are over.
***this is really an outstanding idea to analyze the games of the clans.
Allez les cavaliers
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muktadir
12/04/2005
12:43:25
[ report this post ] | english opening
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yeah that's my favourite because of two reasons:
1. has so many lines so opponents get confused ( I am too ) and I can build up my game
2. all other openings has some defined lines which can be memorized by most and I am too bad at memorizing so if I open with anything else I get stuck and make big mistakes
:-)
My rating was below 1200 before I started opening with c4. now it's touching 1400. :-)
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muktadir
12/04/2005
12:43:33
[ report this post ] | english opening
Message:
yeah that's my favourite because of two reasons:
1. has so many lines so opponents get confused ( I am too ) and I can build up my game
2. all other openings has some defined lines which can be memorized by most and I am too bad at memorizing so if I open with anything else I get stuck and make big mistakes
:-)
My rating was below 1200 before I started opening with c4. now it's touching 1400. :-)
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yanm
12/05/2005
06:23:34
[ report this post ] | Notes on the analyse
Message:
Thanks you beholder28.
A further note. What surprised me most was 10.Ne2, as I was expecting 10.Be3. This prompted me to push forward and attack with all I was worth;)
A question, do you trhink that 5... O-O came too early? I mean, I was thinking, "Ok he is still 3 moves from castling. Lets castle on my side, and bring the king-side rook in the open." What would have been better to play?
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beholder28
12/05/2005
06:55:41
[ report this post ] | 5...O-O
Message:
No I don't think it came too soon, I think it was a strong move at that moment. Often we tend to limit ourselves by thinking that castling is only a defensive move, but this is not always true: in your case it is especially clear that NOT ONLY 5...O-O protects the black king BUT ALSO develops the rook. Like killing two birds with one shot. This gap in development does not mean that Black has a winning advantage, of course, but now White has to be careful because even a small inaccuracy like 10.Ne2 may lead to trouble.
Allez les fous!
beholder28
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muktadir
12/06/2005
08:35:13
[ report this post ] | 10.Ne2
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10.Ne2 was a serious mistake. I got its worth just after making it. There was a wild calculation on my part.I was also thinking of playing 10. Be3. at first. I was thinking of alternatives to that and suddenly moved that piece without proper thinking. Sorry dudes for a really bad game. Hope to play better afterwards
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yanm
12/06/2005
23:07:11
[ report this post ] | A further analysis
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Here is an analysis of the game by our teammate blatman
<snip>
I thought it was a good game. Here's my analytical effort of it, written deliberately before reading beholder's stuff.
1.c4, e5; 2.Nc3, Nf6; 3.g3, Bb4; 4.Qb3, Nc6; 5.e3, 0-0; 6.Bg2, Bxc3; 7.Qxc3, d6; 8. d4. Opening up the game and the e-file before White's ready. Most of White's problems come from this open file. Maybe 8.Ne2 and castles. 8. ..., ed; 9.ed, Qe7+; 10.Ne2. Simpler might have been Be3 and 0-0-0. White just has time for this. 10. ..., Bg4; 11.Bf1. (11.Be3(again), Rae8; 12.Nf4 - White wants to castle - Ne4; 13.Qd3, Bf5; 14.Nd5 forces the Queen off the e-file). 11.Bf1 may be a loser if Black can find the crushing move. 11. ..., Rfe8. I don't have the heart to criticise this. What could be more natural. In fact Qe4 is sweet followed by Bxe2 and then Nxd4 and White is toiling. 12.Be3. At last the dozey old Bishop hears the frantic cries of his King.
A pause here for a cold beer, some reflection and a conversation with my friend Fritz. As a result of the premature opening of the e-file Black is having all the fun. When I asked fritz to have a look at the position immediately after White's d4 he felt there was a slight advantage to Black. Dare I disagree? Yup. Much more difficult for White. For Black to maintain a better position he keeps playing naturally; the onus is always on the defence to find the good moves. If he does his game stands up but if he makes one mistake he could plunge over the precipice. In any event, it's Black calling the shots. The best White hopes for is a playable ending. To illustrate my point there are at least 8 moves black could make now that maintain the advantage. White will never have that luxury.
So 12.Be3, Bf3. Making way for the Knight on g4. 13.Rg1, Ng4; 14. 0-0-0. Understandable. The King's been staring down the gun barrell of the e-file for a long time. One possibility was 14.Nf4(by Fritz). It's devilishly cunning. If Black is tempted to simplify into an ending by playing the natural 14. ..., Nxe3 he doesn't get any more than a pawn and a long arduous ending at that, eg, (15.fe, Qxe3; 16.Qxe3, Rxe3; 17.Kf2, Rae8; 18.Rc1 intending Rc3. Lots of chess there). 14. ..., Nxe3; 15.fe, Qxe3+; 16.Qxe3, Rxe3; 17.Rd2, Rae8; 18.Nc3, Nb4; 19.b3. There was no decent response here anyway.
It's always easy to talk a good game!!
</snip>
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muktadir
12/08/2005
07:14:26
[ report this post ] | hi
Message:
didnt undersantd snips
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yanm
12/08/2005
23:48:56
[ report this post ] | 1st ladder update
Message:
1290 seekez -- defeated (board #4120954)
1376 muktadir -- defeated (board #4160225)
1485 yanm -- defeated (board #4165888)
1539 mirjana -- current Queen
1565 raivax -- current challenger (board #4208882)
1651 butnerman
1715 beholder28
The third game of the ladder is completed, and we moved to the fourth one... our teammate raivax, was absent of this site for more than 8 days now and timed out in many games (including some team games), I hope that nothing dire happened to him!
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yanm
12/08/2005
23:50:24
[ report this post ] | snip
Message:
is the imaginary noise of a pair of scissors going through paper... I just wanted to delimit the part I copy/pasted from blatman message!
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yanm
12/09/2005
05:03:51
[ report this post ] | 2nd ladder
Message:
Here are the players already registered for the second ladder
1272 seekez
1282 pdcb
1376 muktadir
1485 yanm
1535 blatman
1565 raivax
1612 mirjana
1659 butnerman
1715 beholder28
I feel that now that the first ladder is more than half completed, we can start the second ladder, no?
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beholder28
12/09/2005
09:45:51
[ report this post ] | raivax
Message:
It certainly does look alarming, expecially if we consider he is a fast player, judging from his average time x move!
I hope he's alright...
Has anybody tried to contact him? Perhaps one of his fellow British?
Allez les fous!
beholder28
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muktadir
12/18/2005
05:41:09
[ report this post ] | second ladder!
Message:
has it started yet?
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yanm
12/18/2005
22:58:37
[ report this post ] | Second ladder,
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no it hasn't started yet because pdcb has too many active games at the moment...
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yanm
12/20/2005
03:19:38
[ report this post ] | Second ladder has started!
Message:
1272 seekez -- current King
1282 pdcb -- challenger (board #4267826)
1376 muktadir
1485 yanm
1535 blatman
1565 raivax
1612 mirjana
1659 butnerman
1715 beholder28
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yanm
12/20/2005
03:21:28
[ report this post ] | Analysis
Message:
I wondered if there was anybody wanting to analyse my game with mirjana (board #4165888)... I would like to know where I blundered:(
Cheers,
~Yannick
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yanm
12/20/2005
03:23:52
[ report this post ] | Last post
Message:
Since the length of threads is limited to 50 messages, lets start our second discussion forum....
Allez les fous!
Link to new team forum
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Forum II: -> gameknot.com
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