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greyrabbit
10/01/2006
03:54:05
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 Subject: Waskally Wabbits
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Please use this forum to discuss anything from the team alert. Or indeed anything else you wish to say about the team. Or its leadership *lol*.....
Cheers
Charlie
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blackbaron
10/01/2006
04:21:19
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whahay....back up and running..BTW , my nomination for player of the month is me ! for playing on despite the crippling pain from two broken metatarsals! LOL
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zep5686
10/01/2006
04:58:01
[ report this post ] | hello team ,,
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well we gots a forum bac up an running agin ,, lets put it ta good use m8s ,, *BMG*;O))
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irenehuls
10/01/2006
08:23:18
[ report this post ] | Wasskaly Wabbits & Morose Mooses
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Wow, it's great news! Is this our reopened [resurrected?] Club???!!!:)
I am very happy greyrabbit has overcome his problems and is back with us again. I agree -- this forum and our team will only be as good as WE make them. I volunteer my help in whatever needs to be done, but first we have to recount our ranks and see who can do what.
Re: greyrabbit's 8 proposals:
1. Time out = the boot... I agree, if it is due to negligence. But personal circumstances should also be taken into account...
2. How do I set my team games to a maximum? I just responded to any invitation so far...
3. Up till now, if i wanted new games, i just opened them or joined someone else's. Do I have to ask greyrabbit for new games?
4. irenehuls@aol.com
5. Should I cut and paste this link every time I need to get to the Club?
6. What are monthly bulletins about? Team games statistics?
7. Player of the month -- what are the criteria for that? The number of games played or the results?:)
8. I would like to thank pawnbyknight for his expertise, and Brer' Moose for his hearty welcome to the team!:)
Irene
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pawnbyknight
10/01/2006
09:33:16
[ report this post ] | Our Club back ;-))))))
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Hopefully all the messages that has been put in the threads of club can be reinstalled, maybe also the members that it had.
If not I will gladly join this (new) club.
My recommendations are that Irenehuls, our latest teammember, should be part of this (third moderator with Zep and Baron?) so it is not only run by men..... ;-))))
My views on time-outs are very much the same as those of Irene.
Hope to see you all there soon again.
(good to have Charlie back again, he was replaces by Zep and Baron well.)
Bert
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seansknight
10/01/2006
12:01:52
[ report this post ] | Hi team,
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hope you don't mind Sean & Daniel's mum chipping in now and again, only the boys tend to play their games and not look at the club/team forums I will try to encourage them!, but with homework they sometimes have very little time.
just a few comments about greyrabbits proposals:-
Time out - the boot... I agree with Irene, before you boot out it would be good to see why the time out happened, I know my two try not to time out on any games, but in the summer one did on a team game and it was not his fault but mine :(
If the boys want new team games do you want them to post a message on this site or send a message via Gameknot direct to Greyrabbit?
e-mail address for both boys veronica.stevens1@ntlworld.com
I have saved this link to my favourites, but is there a link from the Gameknot site that will take us there?
Veronica
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greyrabbit
10/01/2006
15:48:41
[ report this post ] | Thanks guys....
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Good to see a debate going on.
Ok answers so far....
1) Irene - no this isn't the resurrected club, this is just a forum.
2) Pawnbyknight - not sure whether that is possible but I will certainly enquire.
3) Pawnbyknight - you make a fair point about female representation, IF it turns out the club is one of the things the team wants I have no objection to Irene becoming the third moderator.
4) Irene - I believe the team games maximum is set under preferences.
5) Irene/S&Ds mum - only for team games, any others its up to you, would prefer a gk message to me....
6) Irene/S&Ds mum - you can get to this by clicking 'more options' 'forums' 'team forums' 'waskally wabbits', its often easier as you've done to add it to your favourites.....
7) Irene - The monthly bulletins were just that, saying how we got on in the month, current positions in team matches, announcements etc... N.B. if team members want this back what format? email? club forum? gk mail?
8) Irene - player of the month....open to suggestions.....
I'd also like to add a few points. I can see the timeout thing being contentious but I believe it has its place, like all the other proposals it is up for debate. Anyone connected with the team is welcome to have their say. And I'd also like to thank Zep and Baron again for keeping things running during my absence!
Thanks again for your posts, They are an important part of this teams development!
Cheers
Charlie
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zep5686
10/01/2006
16:36:49
[ report this post ] | new team spirit!,,
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i,m glad ta see AND inpressed with the responce so far ,, shows we still hav sumthing ta wk with , mostly all the Q,s hav been answered by wabbit ,, , i,d like ta add that if its only possible ta hav 2 team Mods, then i would be more than happy ta giv me slot ta lady irene , , i believe her ta hav the rite team spirit an drive ta handle the job ,, ?!! Better than me even ,, an also agree with bert that she adds a Big plus to our team ,, , as 4 player of the month?? ,, LOL.. *BMG* ,, welll . i thinks it should be ,,, -???? ,, *BMG*????? (Baron)!! 4 playin on thou the pain of 2 broken matatarsals ?LOL , but i also think that player of the month should be required ta giv up free team lessons on how he wupped on tag so badly ? ,, *BMG* ,,
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irenehuls
10/01/2006
16:37:16
[ report this post ] | Wasskaly Wabbits & Morose Mooses
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Thanks for your answers, Greyrabbit!:)
But I still have some questions:
What does it entail, being a "team moderator"? I am not an expert in chess....
S&D mum Veronica seems to be interested in chess -- why don't we invite her to the club, too? The female representation would benefit...:)
7). I think a club forum format would be preferable to GK
8). I think Baron's claim to fame should be considered -- despite being wounded in battles, he still carries on and has an endless list of games... I think the player of the month should be chosen among people who contribute to the team most...
Cheers,
Irene
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greyrabbit
10/01/2006
17:48:57
[ report this post ] | Further....
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Yeah me too Steve, quite impressed!
Irene, the moderators serve a dual purpose. MOST importantly they are there to ensure that GK rules are adhered to. The clubs are bound by GK rules and thus aren't allowed certain things, i.e. swearing, excessive sexuality etc. Any club falling short of these standards can be shut down, permanently if so desired. Therefore moderators need to have at least an awareness of GK rules and behaviour policy although mostly its common sense.
Secondly they are there to guide discussions, i.e. to keep threads on track, they can also accept or reject new members, eject current members etc.
S&Ds mum would be welcome to join the club, but there is a problem there as there is for a few of our team. Currently clubs can ONLY accept premium members. What this means is that 'free' members don't get the benefit. Although I can see GKs point here, it does and would mean that such a club would be excluding some members of the team. Please rem that in this debate!
Cheers
Charlie
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greyrabbit
10/01/2006
18:06:38
[ report this post ] | Here is the link....
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-> gameknot.com
For GK policies.....most of them fairly straightforward and acceptable....
Cheers
Charlie
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pawnbyknight
10/01/2006
21:56:35
[ report this post ] | Team Game, who´s next?
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Team Match, June 2006
White: PawnbyKnight
black: Bakudragon
opening : Sicilian
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 d6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 Nf6
5. Nc3 g6
This is the dragonvariation of the Sicilian
6. Be3 Bg7
7. f3 O-O
8. Qd2 Nc6
9. Bc4 Bd7
10. O-O-O
After black's castling Kingside, white castles Queenside.
Now both black and white will start an attack on the castled king of the
opponent.
10... Qa5
11. Bb3 Rfc8
12. h4
Black hopes to do business with his rook on the half open C-file, but white launches an attack on the h-file by
pushing his pawn forward
12... Ne5
13. Kb1 Nc4
This is why white first moved his King to b1, so he can take the knight when it comes to c4} 14. Bxc4 Rxc4
15. Nb3 Qa6
16. e5
If black plays 16.dxe5 he loses after 17.Nc5 (a piece or a quality)
16... Ne8
17. h5
White plays for a win and pushes his h-pawn once again.
17... Be6
Black gets his bishop out off the d-file, where it was under attack
18. hxg6 hxg6
19. g4 Bxe5
20. Bd4
Now black has to make choices
20... Rxd4
21. Nxd4 Nc7
22. f4
And again it is a pawn that brings black into trouble,
white wants to give the knight for the bishop.
22... Bg7
23. Nxe6
Now black does not want the exchange of his black squared bishop, white takes
the other one
23... fxe6
24. f5
white is forcing his way with the last two pawns on the king side
24... Nb5
Black wants to trade knights, but white has other plans ........
25. Nd5
a sacrifice.... wow 25... exd5 26. Qxd5+ Kf8 27. fxg6 !!!!!!!!!!!!
25... gxf5
26.gxf5
White leaves his knight for the taking and thinks it is more important
the clear the g-file for his rook (Rdg1)
26... exd5
27. Rdg1 Na3+
Now white does not even want the knight
28. Kc1 Rc8
29. Rxg7+ black resigned (1-0)
After 29.Kxg7 28.Qh6+ Kf7 29.Qg6+ Kf8 30.Rh8 mate
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ronnie0_13
10/02/2006
11:33:27
[ report this post ] | club- from S & D's mum
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Hi Greyrabbit
I do have the same membership as the boys therefore does this mean I could join your club.
I'm a bit of a novice mind, I started to watch the boys and decided to give gameknot a go.!
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greyrabbit
10/02/2006
11:37:12
[ report this post ] | Correction!
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You can indeed, I messed up there! I didn't think they were GK members. At the moment, Bear04, H3x3n, Wuher and Monkeyratdog would be excluded from being club members, everyone else meets the requirements....
Cheers
Charlie
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zep5686
10/02/2006
15:34:40
[ report this post ] | club ,, wasskaly mooses an morose wabbits ? LOL*B
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come-on s&d,s mum ,, join our team an our club ? if wabbit can get it up agin ? ,, u,d be more than a plus ta this team ,, an most welcome ? , i,m sure every 1 else will agree with this WASSKALY Moose ? LOL *BMG* :O)))
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greyrabbit
10/02/2006
15:46:24
[ report this post ] | *blushes*
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Um Steve..... You might want to reread that one *grins*
Cheers
Charlie
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zep5686
10/02/2006
16:07:32
[ report this post ] | *BMG*:O)))
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Thought it mite gets yer attention m8 , LOL ,, just ckin ? LOL*BMG*
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ronnie0_13
10/03/2006
11:56:09
[ report this post ] | team/club
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Hi all, happy to join your team/club, but you will have to be gentle with me as I am only a novice, not long been playing chess so wouldn't want to join your tourny's where I would get thrashed! :)
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zep5686
10/03/2006
17:36:28
[ report this post ] | ronnie AKA (S&D,s Mum) ,,
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u,d be more than welcome , dont think u,d hav ta worry bouts playin in any minis we mite set up ,, but it would be nessisary 4 u ta play team games here an there , ? but not ta worry , wabbit (charlie) will set u up even as possible i,m sure ,, he,s real carefull about that ,, just click on our team an appy ta join ? ,, wabbit will do the rest ? *BMG* :O))
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greyrabbit
10/04/2006
06:52:41
[ report this post ] | Strictly speaking....
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although I'd prefer not to encourage non playing members, in this case I'd quite happily make an exception. I believe its important for parents to be aware of what their children are doing on the net...so the choices are ....
1) Become a full team member and (presuming it reopens) club member
2) Become a non playing team member and club member
3) Become a team member (of either variety) or a club player
Whichever way it goes there isn't/won't be any pressure and doesn't set anything in stone.
Cheers
Charlie
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pawnbyknight
10/04/2006
10:12:00
[ report this post ] | non team members in club
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Charlie,
In the past we had a non-team member as club member.
We could make an exception for Sean and Daniels mother as both her sons are playing with us.
Bert
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greyrabbit
10/04/2006
11:56:26
[ report this post ] | Which is....
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...in my roundabout way, one of the options I was mooting.....
Cheers
Charlie
btw, welcome to the team Ronnie!
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ronnie0_13
10/04/2006
12:27:33
[ report this post ] | thanks ...
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looking forward to some team games and hopefully I will get some wins for the team.
Veronica
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pawnbyknight
10/05/2006
10:52:08
[ report this post ] | Welcome
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Veronica,
Welcome in our team.
Bert
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wuher
10/08/2006
01:55:43
[ report this post ] | Opinion on the proposals
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First of all my apologies on the late response. I recently started university so I have very little time. I will try to check this thread more often, and try to read the whole thing, for which I don't have time at the moment either.
As for the proposals:
1) Booting people that have more than one time out seems like a good thing, depending on the reason. I can imagine that for personal reasons someone might not be able to play, so I'd say that shouldn't count.
3) Requesting games sounds like a good plan too.
4) goggeritt@gmail.com
5) Team club sounds good, although I wouldn't be able to join, since I'm not a premium member...
6) If monthly bulletins are to be posted, could you mail them to me as well?
7) Player of the month also sounds good, and it will help to get a better team spirit ;)
8) About coaching, when do you consider a player better than yourself? I know ratingwise I am at the top of the team, but I don't consider myself the top player...
I hope this contribution is enough for the moment. Hope to check back soon.
Coen
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greyrabbit
10/08/2006
03:34:12
[ report this post ] | No problem mate,
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better late than never!
You're right about the club, there is still no idea from GK if/when non premium members will be allowed to join.
When do you consider a player better than you, hmmmm..... I think there is a huge gap from 1400-1500. From personal experience and anal retentive record keeping there is a HUGE graduation in the percentage I get against sub 1400 and over 1400. Over 1500 forget about it! Unless like Farhad they are being kind! In addition to which I've played against you. Now there are those who beat me cos of my mistakes, there are those who beat me and I can see it coming after a tough game and there are those who beat me and I STILL can't work out how, guess which category you fall into!
How much of it is intuitive I don't know. Thats important as I realise it is very hard to teach intuition, but I think that most people 1600+ have something to offer by way of coaching. I do understand that it has to be fitted in around other considerations though.
Cheers
Charlie
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greyrabbit
10/08/2006
03:35:29
[ report this post ] | I've taken the liberty...
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of reproducing a personal message as I think its a workable and sensible policy...hope you don't mind Monkeyratdog....
Private message from monkeyratdog:
Hello, greyrabbit!
Sometimes, things happen that can't be helped. I also believe that eveyone deserves a second chance. So I propose:
1st Timeout - Restrict number of team games allowed for 90 days.
2nd Timeout - No team games for 90 days.
3rd timeout - Booted from the team.
Timeouts will be counted by days, not games. For example, any games timed out in any one day will be counted as 1 timeout.
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farhadexists
10/08/2006
03:43:51
[ report this post ] | What me kind?
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1) the 1st, 2nd and 3rd timeout ideas sound good to me. But whatever the case, the team member involved must get in touch with the captain and explain the cause of the timeout.
2, 3) maximum game limit set, will request team games soon.
4) Will PM my email address to the captain
5, 6) Miss the club, miss the bulletins even more. Would love to have them back again.
7) Player of the month sounds good, should motivate us all :)
8) Coaching could include general tips also, I'm sure the higher rated players in the team would have greater tactical and positional awareness that they might be able to share with us.
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pawnbyknight
10/08/2006
05:14:33
[ report this post ] | Time outs
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Maybe we can work out someling like Monkeyratdog gave as an option.
But, we have to look closely to the fact what caused these time-outs.
Last year I was rused to hospital, emergency, lost 18 games and amongst them there were 3 teamgames.
Besides these ones I have never had a time-out.
If not looked too close I would have been booted from the team.
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farhadexists
10/08/2006
06:05:13
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Not trying to hijack this thread, but would like to add something:
9. Now that team pictures are a feature, what should we use as our team pic?
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ronnie0_13
10/08/2006
08:40:31
[ report this post ] | Timeouts, Coaching & Team pics
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like the idea of the 1,2,& 3 chance option, however if a timeout happens then I think the player should contact the team captain with reasons why this occurred. You should consider personal and health reasons why this may have happened. If not careful you could end up losing a good team member.
with regards the coaching then I think this is a great idea for those who want to improve their play. Both my boys [S&D] seem to stay between 1300 -1400 and could do with some feedback to improve.
What are the team pics?
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seansknight
10/10/2006
11:57:00
[ report this post ] | timeouts?
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what does the following mean ?
a) Any timeouts within 24 hours to be counted as one timeout - does this mean you can have more than 1 timeout in 24 hours and it is only counted as 1
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seansknight
10/10/2006
12:00:43
[ report this post ] | player of the month...
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The criteria for player of the month to be set as follows; each member of the committee to select first, second and third places as they see fit - what is meant by as they see fit?
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greyrabbit
10/10/2006
12:46:11
[ report this post ] | Answers
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Yes to your first question, as pointed out by team members it would be unfair to consider it otherwise.
By using whatever criteria they deem to be important. Personally for me it would be a combination of overall results/spectacular results and general team spirit.
Hope this clarifies it a bit, but for the moment its all a bit subjective. I don't (as you can see) have a problem with publishing my criteria, I can't imagine any other selector having a problem with it either. So that may be an idea, to give reasons why a person has been selected.....
Cheers
Charlie
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irenehuls
10/10/2006
13:41:31
[ report this post ] | Player of the month
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I think it's easy -- just compare the number and outcome of all games played by each team member in the last month and add it all up -- the three highest results belong to the top players.
Of course, individual contribution to the team spirit should also be rewarded, but the winner in this category should better be called the Top Teammate of the Month...:)
The best game of the month could also be published and discussed...
Cheers,
Irene
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ronnie0_13
10/11/2006
10:33:39
[ report this post ] | team games and player of the month
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would this last proposal not disadvantage someone who has not been able to play the same number of team games?
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pawnbyknight
10/11/2006
10:48:43
[ report this post ] | player of the month
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Like Veronica says this is an advantage for the player with the most games going on.
Player A scores 3 wins and 7 losses
Player B scores 1 win and one draw out of 2 games.
In my opinion player B had the best score.
Okay this is not easy...... any ideas from others?
Maybe other efforts count too.........................
Bert
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irenehuls
10/11/2006
11:03:39
[ report this post ] | playeer of the month
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The player of the month cannot play only 2 games in a whole month!:) I think both quantity and quality should be taken into account -- someone who gets the most wins for the team...
irene
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pawnbyknight
10/11/2006
12:24:13
[ report this post ] | Games in a month
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You can not speak of quantity when a player has 10 games going on, but in that particular month only completed two.
With 3 days per move one might make no more than 5 or 6 moves if all the time is used.
Still, difficult how to make a choice.
Maybe you give a spectacular increase in rating a thought, even if caused by non teamgames.
Would be easier if we had 50 members I guess, not having to worry who to vote after 3 or 4 months.
Bert
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zep5686
10/11/2006
13:04:24
[ report this post ] | Quagmire Deluxe???
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seems we gots 1 goin on rite now m8s , BUT ? this is good ,, an also the way ta work it out , ta be honest ? ,, its all a bit TOOOOO complex 4 me ,, so i,ll leave it to the better brains ta wk it out ? LOL *BMG*, :O)))
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irenehuls
10/11/2006
16:05:00
[ report this post ] | Quagmire Deluxe
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i guess we shall have to let greyrabbit exercise his wise, albeit autocratic, leadership and intuition...:)
irene
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greyrabbit
10/11/2006
17:50:28
[ report this post ] | Autocratic?
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In your example Bert, I'd say player A had a 30% record, player B a 75% record.
Irene - why? Some players take longer, thats not a reflection on their ability. Why shouldn't the player of the month only have completed 2 games?
Anyway, please continue the discussion....at the end of the voting, if this is deemed a worthwhile idea, then this autocratic ol' buffoon will condense the ideas above into as many options and let the team decide rather than trying to railroad ideas through.
Cheers
Charlie
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zep5686
10/12/2006
04:44:01
[ report this post ] | Autocratic? , WABBITS??
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wow big word ,, ok nuffs enough ,, now i gots ta dig out me dictionary ? Grrrrr , i hates it when i hav ta do that ,, Grrrr
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irenehuls
10/12/2006
04:55:04
[ report this post ] | sorry...:)
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Sorry, greyrabbit -- i didn't mean it seriously, and in fact i should have used another word -- "undemocratic"...:)
irene
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pawnbyknight
10/12/2006
07:10:28
[ report this post ] | My suggestion
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How about my suggestion of increase in rating in a month?
For instance, on the 1-st the month one of the people that make a recommendation of player of the month can note all the ratings of our team.
Simply from our teamlist.
At the end of the month these ratings can be compared to the ratings that the players had at the beginning of the month.
If a spectacular rating difference (at least 75 or 100 more) this could be something to take into consideration as a positive element for choosing him/her.
Bert
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ronnie0_13
10/12/2006
12:10:12
[ report this post ] | ratings .......
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I believe but you can influence your ratings, if you join a tourney and you are one of the stronger/higher rated players you get wins your rating goes up.........
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danniesknight
10/12/2006
12:13:15
[ report this post ] | best game
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what about a best game of the month... when me and Danny play at local tournaments there is often a best game, someone though would have to look at the games though to chose.....
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pawnbyknight
10/12/2006
14:22:46
[ report this post ] | ratings
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Veronica,
You could be right if I joined tourneys in which I am a higher rated player.
At least if I joined as a 1400 or 1500 player that would mean I probably go up 200 points. However in my case, I am rated over 1850, I have nothing to gain but lots to lose.
If I play someone rated 1450 I probably win 0,4 points (winning) and losing would cost me 20 points.
One day my rating might go up to 1900 but certainly not 2000 or more.
Spectacular rating increase can happen for your sons, yourself.
Only if I lose a lot of points first I might go up fast again.
Bert
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greyrabbit
10/12/2006
14:59:37
[ report this post ] | There seems to be...
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a general consensus that some kind of award(s) would be good. I think that perhaps that has need of a seperate vote to see how folks want it run. Personally I'm in favour of the one award, with the selectors using their own judgement still. Certainly statistics can be an element of that, but if only statistics are used I think that biases against most of the team.
Cheers
Charlie
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irenehuls
10/12/2006
16:18:40
[ report this post ] | General consensus
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I agree here with greyrabbit -- the selectors should be allowed to use their own judgement, because otherwise we land in a quagmire, as Brer' Moose rightly noted. After all, we are not FIDE deciding who is going to be the next World Champion -- we are here for the fun of playing chess!:)
irene
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blackbaron
10/13/2006
10:45:00
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How about player of the month is the one at top of the table ! Come on guys..u know u want it!
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