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far1ey
11/23/2006
00:56:18
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 Subject: Consultation Chess Team: ccmcacollister and Far1ey
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Ok craig let's go!!!
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far1ey
11/23/2006
01:11:35
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Craig
Just went over some of the games I was able to view. There was a Scandinavian I recall in one and a Gruenfeld against d4. Are these one of your main openings?
Far1ey
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ccmcacollister
11/23/2006
03:07:50
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The Grunfeld is a solid opening for me, and one that I've regained an interest in here at GK, so have been playing several times lately. And beginning to get the feel of it again. In postal, my main defense and best vs d4 was the KI. Grunfeld was #1 backup to it. With an occasional Dutch thrown in.
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The Scandi is not as secure for me. I've only been playing some as BL since here at GK. My main def to e4 was the French for postal play. Tho I have not been playing it here much at all. But was by far my best opening. Besides it tho, also did play the Sicilian Dragon, being Very Booked on it back then. Probably can't play it now. Or the Najdorf, and favor the Polugaevsky line there or as Spassky plays it.
I've also played a lot of Caro-Kanns and Ruy Lopez; liking both the open and closed
variations there. Also the Marshall Attack in otb, but never in corr play. I've played a little closed Lopez here at GK and a bunch of Caro's here now.
One Nimzovich Defense, nearly disasterous.
I also like the Pirc Defense for the lines with ...c5 played. Especially to play vs the Austrian Attack, as I feel BL is better there.
Never could play Alekhines D.
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Are the Scandi and Grunfeld your main openings then?
I want to take a look at some games from each player before we start up. I would like to see what you play, and how you play them for style, etc.
And I've always tried to look at opponent games when available before starting any serious play, to see Style, Specific moves + variations, but most to look for weakness and strengths in their play. Whether its tactical ability, or endgames, etc. Also to know what type of positions I think they will not like. I like my opponents to dislike the game as much as possible and be discomforted with the position. :) Or at least to have to wonder a bit about what is going on, if possible.
So I thought it would be fun to do the pregame assessment for this game too. It makes me happy to find 3 to 5 things to question about their playing.
Do you do anything like that? Or approach the board with complete objectivity instead?
Gotta go now. Its Thanksgiving Holiday.
Regards
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far1ey
11/24/2006
03:33:10
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The first move ...1.e4
My main reply to d4 is indeed the KID so we probably could have played that against d4 since we both have some knowledge of it. unfortunately the game has commenced with e4.
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Against e4 I have played previously 2 responces:
e5 for a while when I couldn't get my Sicilian play working but I am familiar with many positions in the Ruy Lopez.
c5 This is my current responce and I am currently learning the dragon but before the dragon I played the Najdorf with an e6 d6 type setup.
My familiarity with other openings is slight as I avoid playing them as white and as black but by all means these other openings aren't unplayable from my point of view.
So what will we play against e4? Well we have both played the Najdorf and the Dragon but you state you probably can't play the Dragon.
The other opening we have in common is e5 and perhaps a Ruy Lopez depending on white's moves?
So Najdorf? Ruy Lopez? Other?
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far1ey
11/24/2006
13:27:14
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I went through Yamn and basbos's openings and it seems they have vastly different opening repetoires to each other.
The first main difference is that yamn is the e4 player, basbos plays d4. After e4 e5 the every single game I was able to view from past games (except 1) was a kings gambit, there wasn't a single game where the Ruy or Italian was played. So if we are to play e5 against their e4 I we should be familiar with the Kings gambit. Myself, I used to play the kings gambit just for fun so I am used to the positions as white and probably could play a decent game with it as black. have you had any Kings gambit play? Against the Sicilian, he plays the usual 2.Nf3 so I don't think we can expect any Nc3/d3/g3 unless they play it on purpose to get us onto unfamiliar lines. Therefore, depending on your knowledge of the Kings Gambit we could play that or else the Sicilian.
Far1ey
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ccmcacollister
11/25/2006
19:35:21
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I just realized somehthing ... I cant see our time and am probably the slowest player if that is as usual. You may have to just move sometimes so we dont get short. or let me know if it ticks too long. :)
Well i wouldnt mind e5 or a Sicilian. Or even a Scandi really, if you want to. They say about anything is playable ... what would make you happy here? Lets go with that ! :)
With the dragon, theory changed several times during one postal game, and I havent seen the theory in a few years. But if you are up on it, and saying it is still playable ... lets go for it if you want! I love that opening and went +1 -1 =1 in it in master/expert play and the loss was a white. But that was over a decade ago you see.
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far1ey
11/25/2006
20:18:51
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Yeah the Dragon theory is pretty dodgy as my coach puts it “you have to learn something and stick with it and hope it isn’t refuted two weeks later.” Well for me the most logical move would be c5 and a Najdorf since we have both played it and would be familiar with the position. I am still haven’t learnt the Dragon to my ‘full capacity’ so I don’t think that’ll work. So Najdorf? I’ll await your response before moving unless time gets short we are currently on 5 days because +2 for weekends so we have plenty of time…
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ccmcacollister
11/26/2006
03:29:08
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Najdorf sounds great as long as you are not into the PP var, where I know nothing much and feels icky in some BL lines. I have a great line for it vs the Fischer stuff Bc4 too. Have you seen my game with Sano? The only real d-base games are two by Fischer, adn they are both from SIMULS! Tho I believe WT can improve on Fischers Qf3 ... it would still make for another good test. My line vs it was nothing special and maybe not even good really. But there is a lot of play in alternatives too. And I think the tactics there would favor us, since I know of no outright refutation sitting out there. (Also the line where WT sacs on e6 vs Nd7 by BL it is very hard to find the wt moves, tho they are there ...but might give em something to worry over ... specially if we asked em if they would sac on e6 haha :)
The Bg5 lines I have to admit to enjoying the Polugaevsky lines for complexity And have a Book on it(!). Or the traditional stuff. Can't claim to know it all tho. But might learn something ... I can still read after all }8-))
Do you think they will 'dare' play a mainline open WT formation tho?!
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ccmcacollister
11/26/2006
03:35:20
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Wednesday broke my nose and small concussion (again! 2nd time this year!) But hasnt seemed to effect the analysis so far. Sometimes I have had some seizures go on that will tho. None involved this time. But If I should disappear a bit and the clock tics down, well don't fear to move for us. No timing out, or getting into a time bind waiting on me.! Most likely if anything happens I'll be able to at least get on and say 'hey I cannot think this week' or whatever :) ok?
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ccmcacollister
11/26/2006
03:44:43
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any conditionals for the open najdorf? We could go up to having played ...a6 and try to get a hasty choice from them or some time use. Or would you like the time to look over some games ourselves?
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far1ey
11/26/2006
23:19:00
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All good with the concussion thing! How'd you break the nose? Angry chess opponent? :D
I don't really mind whether we use the conditional moves or not but it might be good to use them, as it will give them less time to think and since we are the "Najdorf Experts" we should be able to come to quicker decisions. So therefore any conditional moves made probably favour us. So conditional moves?
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ccmcacollister
11/29/2006
23:02:09
[ report this post ] | Sure, conditionals are okay
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Actually, I ran into a building trying to rescue someone from a slamming door :(
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ccmcacollister
11/30/2006
07:14:45
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They fell for our Trap!! and played Nf3...
Think we agreed on ...d6 here toward a Najdorf. And conditional if you want. How about IF d4 cxd4 on that, but if they should play 3.Nc3 instead (an old finesse to stop some stuff ...I forget What exactly ...cuz I dont like it for WT) then think we may wish to consider ...e5 in reply, as off the top of my head, believe that is a pretty anemic variant of a closed Sicilian for WT. Or could just go ahead into our Najdorf with Nf6 reply. What you think?\
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far1ey
12/03/2006
00:08:55
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Well they've just played Nxd4 so we can erase the e5...
So from here we have Nf6 Nc3 a6? Conditional? I'm good with them...
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ccmcacollister
12/04/2006
18:01:13
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Sounds okay to me too.
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Well we still might end up considering an ...e5 yet in this Najdorf! !? Know of two more instance where it can be reasonably played anyway.
1) In the case of them playing Be2 after ...a6, The Oppensky (Spelling?!) Variation. Then Fischer and others usually play ...e5, tho Bobby has a twist or two that are played differently than some others do :)
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There is another reasonable line, that most people don't seem very aware of, that you might find interesting to look at if you have not seen much of it?
It is after ...a6, Bc4 e5 !? and BL then will often follow that up with Be6 to contest the diagonal from the WT King's Bishop, who may then often capture Bxe6 fxe6, but that does not seem to bother those who I know play it as BL. The most notable I am aware of is probably ccm Al Levine, who qualified into the ICCF World Championship Tournaments back in the 1980's (the same year that ccm Alex Dunne from USA too, also did. Levine may have since moved to Israel, but I am not sure )
. He did play this very ...e5 line.
I have seen Fischer as WT against it, and He would Not take on e6 in that game, but rather retreated his KB, I believe it went to Bb3 in that one.
It gave Levine a good equalizer variation the way he has played it.
What you think of these lines? Familiar ?
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}8-)
? There is the possiblity of answering
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far1ey
12/05/2006
01:46:36
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Hmm I just did a check on chessgames.com and you are 100% correct there are quite a number of games where e5 was played after a6 especially by Fischer. That is most certainly a possibility then. I do not really know much about this but you seem to be very confindent so I'm all for playing e5 after a6!
Just on e5, it obviously weakens the d5 square but if black contests this square properly with Be6 Nf6 then it should be ok especially since black will have a lead in development.
So we are looking at a6 followed by e5 with conditionals to make them rush... OK?
Far1ey
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ccmcacollister
12/07/2006
16:15:14
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These lines I totally don't know! ...with Be3. In a Najdorf that is. I do know some from a Scheveningen tho, and seems like BL would play for ...d5 in many rather than e5.
The reason I dont know these in a Najdorf is that Be3 was reputed to be weak and unassuming move back in my day. Is that still true you spose? Or is it something that is going to go into that "English Attack" ? (which was also considered So weak and unassuming in my day that it did not even HAVE a name then; yet now it has had success and reputed to be a Killer?!) Suffice to say, I've never been involved in one! Have you?
I'm heading for my Najdorf book right now . . . Hey wait, I dont even have one with this line. Ok heading for my even older MCO?! (I should head for my Credit Card and buy some new books!) It is good to have a partner at such times!!
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ccmcacollister
12/07/2006
16:21:07
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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Fischer would laugh now. So we only need to be Fischer for awhile :)
Our TIME okay? Regards
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ccmcacollister
12/07/2006
17:40:49
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In the ChessColony d-base.
Morosevich has played ...e6 here and Ng4 (He can be a very fishy-guy! ... from some of the games I looked at)
And have seen ....e5 here. Looks well played also.
Actually I think Fischer-theory would say BL should play Qc7 here to stop Bc4 since WT has missed his chance for it!
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The GK 1900+ d-base does not seem overly accurate in a number of games I saw, at first impression. Meaning the result did not seem to match the opening, necessarily. Interesting that the sequence to this game is THE most heavily played position (all #1 choices) right up to Be3, which is a #2 choice at GK 1900+ it seems.
Another thing I like about Qc7 tho is that if they tried to follow this d-base there is only one game for it! :) And BL did not play it as I would have there.
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far1ey
12/08/2006
14:20:02
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Well in the chessgames.com database Be3 is the most popular move and yeilds the most winning results for white compared to other moves like Bg5. I think that there are three possible moves we can play:
e5: followed by Nb3 and then Be6 to prevent Bc4 when our lead in development compensates for the weak d pawn. In fact in Unzicker - Fischer the game continued not with Be3 but with Be2 but his comment is still the same: "Black's expectation in this Najdorf Variation is that his control of important central squares, with possibilities of Q-side expansion, will more than compensate for the slight weakness of his backward
QP." Although that game continued with Be2 I still think the message is the same with Be3 unless we can play Ng4.
e6: If white's Be3 is indeed a mistake then this is probably not the best move to punish him as the game will continue with a Scheveningen type setup. However, we both seem to know a fair bit about this Scheveningen type setup and that may provide us with an advantage.
Qc7: This move never crossed my mind but if fischer recommended it it must be good. However, we probably shouldnt go head long into playing something because fischer played it, he was a far more advanced player then we will ever be and we are probably better to sticking to what we know. Furthermore, this looks like a very flexible move to me which can be played anytime.
Ng4: Hmmm Looks fine but are there any tricks and traps? Afterall this Morosevich is a fishy guy you said but I dont see anything immediately wrong and it might put them out of the book. Then again, I know nothing about this line or where it could head so you would have to lead the way.
So which is best? Well i think that e6 mightnt be bad to get to afamiliar setup but e5 seems better. What do you think?
Far1ey
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ccmcacollister
12/08/2006
18:13:15
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Be3 and Be2 being played tho. Vs Be2 the Fischer prescribed "out" vs f4-f5 works but gives up a tempo vs Be3 when the other remains at Bf1. Eg a6/ Be2 e5/ Nb3 Be6/ f4 Qc7/ f5 Bc4! per RJF. Now substitute Be3 for Be2 in that sequence and that is how they would gain a tempo since no Be2 but rather Bf1xc4.
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Since i play (rarely) the MODERN Scheveningen when I do, the OLD version with ...a6 doesnt really suit my taste.
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The thing with Qc7 is it probably should be followed with e6, but stops Bc4 forever in the meantime. If they played Nd5!? we get a pawn and give them a ton of development, but I liked putting them in a "prove it" situation. If you dont like it though lets do something else. I've been known to overreach for a pawn :)
oop gotta go eat now.
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ccmcacollister
12/08/2006
18:21:37
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does give us the option to play it as a Najdorf formation still however, rather than a Schev. ... tho that decision can wait and see on WT a bit . So I like ...e6 in that way.
It concerns me that ...e5 has seemed to take a pounding at the 2600+ level, in the d-base i mentioned. But maybe we could figure out something to unbook them before then.
I'd like to have a game to follow. Seen anything good?
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If we are time short, I'm happy to play it either way.
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far1ey
12/08/2006
23:03:23
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I'm happy for Qc7 followed by e6 then. When the only decent spot for the bishop is on e2. We can then play Be7, 0-0, Re8 and play the Q-side.
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ccmcacollister
12/08/2006
23:45:41
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I'm starting to feel shakey with ...Qc7 a bit myself now, looking where our Queen has to try to go. Maybe we should go ...e6 first, then followup Qc7 as safer. That okay? And play the Queenside as you say, where we do have most familiarity.
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far1ey
12/09/2006
00:30:16
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I'm good with that. Nice point you made, we dont really know where the queen should go if they blunder it might be nice on b6 attacking b2 and perhaps d4. "Make the obvious before the optional"
So e6....
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ccmcacollister
12/12/2006
19:55:39
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Looks like we've stumped em for a bit ?! :))
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far1ey
12/13/2006
03:58:33
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:D Certainly, and we aint even out of the book!
Well it might be worthwhile to look at their options and perhaps just get a general idea of what to play. I looked at the board and our next move was perhaps to play Qc7. However, I am not so sure that this might be the best place for the queen just yet. If we want to stop Bc4 then perhaps b5 might be better as itis a move which will probably be played later anyways. According to the gk database the most popular move is now f3. In all my Najdorf playing I have rarely come across this move (although there is a fair bit of f3 in Dragon). There is also a fair number of games played on most DB.
The other move we might need to consider is Be2 which is the variation I have the most experience with (Have played as black and white). To me this seems alot stronger then f3 but unfortunately I aint playing white:D To Be2 we dont need to play b5 yet as the Bishop has already moved once and is unlikely to move again so a simple Be7 or Nc6 looks fine. Opinions? Ideas? Probably dont need too much thinking yet but just to get the ideas and thoughts flowing.
Far1ey
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far1ey
12/13/2006
15:35:27
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Well they've just played f3, which is incidentally the most popular move. They might just be following the GK database (or another database).
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far1ey
12/13/2006
16:41:48
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The three most popular moves are now b5, Be7 and Nc6. I think that b5 is best. Nc6 is a little weird as we might have trouble playing b5 because of Nxc6. Be7 is also good but it might be good to start the counter play rather then play Be7 as the only use for Be7 is to get ready for castling however, since the king is under no direct threat it isn't really needed at this point in time. Thoughts? Opinions? New moves to get em out of the book?
Far1ey
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far1ey
12/18/2006
17:57:17
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Running out of time. I will make the move b5.
I am going away on the 20th (tomorrow) and will be postponing for 20 days. (It still might time out). Just put a few comments on the forum and I will make move ASAP. Hope makes sense.
Far1ey
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ccmcacollister
12/19/2006
10:45:49
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I agree with you about ...b5 ! That is my choice also, so I am glad that you did play it. I was trying to write this a couple days ago and got wrapped-up into things
happening at home ... and making my flight to UK ... which is where I am at this time now, for some weeks.
It seems to me we Should be seeking the most aggressive move and set-up here ... after their move of f3. And thinking that ...b5 now, and probably a Najdorf set-up fits that description best, still.
I didnt like Nc6 at that point. And if we were going to play for that and a Scheveningen placement then I would have preferred the actual Nc6 to be delayed anyway, at least until after ...Be7 & maybe after ...0-0, ...Bd7 aor ...Qc7,
etc. Depending what they do. Then deciding whether Nc6 or Nbd7 looked better. Tho it seems to me that ...Nc6 & etc would have been sufficient for an equalizer, in spite of the tempo spent for ...a6 being played early.
I do like some Najdorf/Schvgn lines having Be7 that early, as for last move. But after their f3 I don't see any reason to opt for solidity over aggressivenes. And RJF
as well as Polugaevsky like the aggressiveness of the ...b5 lines too. (It's like our team is getting bigger!)
Hope we do not time out. Wish I had not had the delay on this last move or we might have had a few extra days left to us :(} Sorry bout that.
Have some Great Holidays now !!! Craig
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ccmcacollister
12/22/2006
09:37:31
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If you are there ... Was just wondering what date you were PP to? Perhaps if it looked as if we might timeout, I could go ahead and advise Them what our move would be and so commit us to it. Thus there would be no unfair advantage of additional thinking time going to us, etc. Tho they would have to wait for your return for it to go onto the board, and we still would have to reinstate. But if they like the gesture, it is something we could do. Merry Christmas to you, from London.
We were about the last plane to land before they closed the airport due to fog, a few days ago ... we did not know we landed till the thump-thump of landing gear striking(!)
as it was all like dropping thru a cloud, right to the ground! Kate said "I think we landed" and I said " I Certainly HOPE so ! " Otherwise there was all too much clunking going on for a nice flight to have.
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far1ey
1/02/2007
21:02:56
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must be quick...
Will PP till 9th of January
They havent moved so all good
Merry xmas
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ccmcacollister
1/12/2007
16:50:24
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Got back home a few days ago. Terrible flight! A "near miss" with another big jet at Heathrow, at same altitude, directly across from us about 2 blocks away when we both emerged from the clouds. Apparently the other was told to vear off some 15 seconds later, or 20, when I saw him do so.... Since fortunately we were not on crash course, tho no doubt had been closer inside the cloud, coming from the same runway... we should not have caught them or been same altitude at all/ Yet there you are ... This after being mugged on Christmas Night. I should stay home next time, ya?
Hope all goes well with you, Andrew? . I see we are waiting on their move today, still. So will see what comes. Best Regards, Craig
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far1ey
1/14/2007
16:40:26
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So I gather from that that you had a nice holiday! ;) First the mugging then the near crash... Some people get all the fun. ;)
Back at home now and yamn has gone on vacation for a few weeks and they still havent moved so it might be a bit quieter from now on. Hope you recover well :D
Far1ey
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ccmcacollister
1/16/2007
23:23:08
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contemplating what they might do next. Thinking of Qd2/Be2/Bd3/Qe2 as some candidates for them. Seems they need be a bit careful not to get themselves tangled a bit, since c4 is gone for the B. WT's have played a3 to stop a b4 push too. Even seen it in GM play. I do recall Fischer saying in 60 Memorable that BL should get in his ...b4 push ASAP if allowed. But wonder if he meant even if there has been no o-o-o played. It seems to be being useful already where it is, for the moment ...
Wondering if they might try a sac on b5. Such ones usually come to little in my experience. Early piece for pawns sacs in general, and these sacs on b5 in particular. Tho I have seen one further along in a sicilian where the WT Rooks were already on d1 and e1, and WT got the pawn on d6 as a third pawn gained. Don't recall the outcome, but it must surely have been closer. The one thing here tho, is them having a number of pieces already developed, ahead of us. And the sac would certainly be "freeing" of their mobility. Something like Ncxb5 axb5, Bxb5+ Bd7,
o-o perhaps. Or done using the other N, or playing a3 first, they might o-o-o for K help in advancing the pawns ... probably liking to get some heavy materials off the board first, if they could. I once won such an ending that way vs a Dragon, in that line where WT plays o-o-o before Bc4 so that BL can make the sac push ....d5. Then WT ends up trading off his Queen for the BL Rooks. But the Heavies are already reduced there. So I don't think a sac vs ...b5 is worrisome. But interesting looking :) Perhaps it will seduce them with its Siren-call !? "Come, come and sac, and come to us little pawns! "
Surely they won't try to o-o-o in this game now?!? With our advancement there already, and all!? Yet with so much space as we have OverThere ... I don't see how they would really hope for much chance to o-o and attack on the K-side. So maybe they'll play for the center + d-file !?
Or I suppose they might try advancing on the K-side while Ke1 but getting ready for a last instant o-o-o, or showing us the possibility of it anyway. If so, I'd think they will move the Queen next to open the o-o-o path, while giving us time to commit to being ...o-o ourselves.
What you think they'll do here?
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Think I'll take another look for any piece sacs they might contemplate in a few moves, from the lead in piece development they have ... just to be sure. Tho ours are certainly clear to flow right out & develop now, without any real hindrance that I forsee. Whereas their upcoming moves may tend to commit them, taking options away from them it seems. But we have the non-commital Be7 and Qc7 moves to wait+develop. Before we need to decide about Nbd7 or Nbc6, or if Bb7. Right now, I'm thinking about Nbd7 ala Najdorf unless they did commit to pushing K-side pawns
now, and make Nfd7 more likely looking. And it might be nice to have Qd8 awhile too. Or would We be thinking about ...o-o-o !?!? [Had some Fun games that way ...
but its been so long, can't remember a one of them at the moment. And were all otb games too.] {Hey, then we would not have to worry to "Not move pawns in front of our King" --- Cuz they ALREADY Been Moved! }8-D
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far1ey
1/27/2007
23:14:57
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I too dont think that the sac on b5 is worrying at the moment although it would be good to keep an eye on it just in case white gets the chance to sac there. In the current position 0-0-0 is very unlikely until white gets at least some counterplay going with g4. We have already declared our queenside intentions and therefore it would be reasonable to expect kingside movements within the next few moves. As for the placement of whites white bishop since it cannot go to c4 I think that it will probably stay on its home square until the counterplay is going.
Just on Qe2, it probably wont be a major concern for us if played unless white adopts a Bd3 Qe2 setup looking for a b5 sac but this looks very awkward with all whites pawns on white squares and now the queen too. In my opinion the queen looks much more natural on d2 where it commands the black squares.
On the possible b4 move for us I think that it would be a very good move especially if e2 is denied as a retreat square for the knight. (another reason for not playing Qe2). However, perhaps it would be safer to get our king to safety before fully going for queenside play.
Just my quick analysis. They should be making their move within the next few days.
Regards,
Far1ey
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ccmcacollister
1/30/2007
21:36:17
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I see that our worthy opposition DO seem to have some activity in their thread ... I went looking for it's Existance just to make sure it didnt disappear, but didnt peek. Was going to ask someone to do a little Saver Post there if it was going to fall off the edge of the Forum World, as it were. But no need. There's is higher up the Forum Index than ours was! Till this of course. So we await their move with seats on edge :)
It was the FICGS match thread however, was within 2 or 3 threads of Oblivion :(
but safe now ... fortunately, after all the earth shaking interest it created there??!
(its a quiet team)
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far1ey
2/01/2007
16:18:00
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Hmmmmmm only 15 hours for them to make a move things are getting close and I would think that they would have to make their move very soon... Then again if their forum is rather active then I dont think there is much to worry about. However, I went through some of yamn's other games and they are all 10 days per move or more so perhaps we may have to reinstate the game...
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far1ey
2/02/2007
15:13:40
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Must be quick:They moved. g4! Unfortunately yamn had to move by himself as basbos is on holidays.
Starting K-side activity and in a way depriving white the chance to castle kingside. Threat is g5 and the GK database says h6 is the most popular move. Is this really necessary?
Regards FAr1ey
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ccmcacollister
2/04/2007
15:07:08
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BUsy busy Superbowl day. I recall seeing h6 in some Walter Browne game of the 70's and it was typical then. I think the N ends up going to Nfd7 if a push does happen. Not sure if it is Needed re ...h6 but have only just seen the position and dont recall a lot. Hopefull to look at it tonight if we have that time.
Didnt see games without ...h6? That is kinda scary then!
I'd like to see what Gligorich "gme of the month" articles had on this from way back then. I'll see what I can find ... but dont time us out if you need to move.
Seems if we play ...h6 it is a target if we were to o-o. But may not need to.
And what of Their King now in any line. They surprise me since we are advanced on the Q-side ... will they o-o-o into it? You spose? Certainly we are going to get play whereever they put their king. Looks like it may get violent here eh?
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far1ey
2/04/2007
20:10:55
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Now that I look at h6 again I think that so far it is probably the best move to play. It is the most popular move in the database and therefore probably the most reliable. After 0-0 the pawn on h6 might be weak but if worst comes to worst and white really starts pressuring the pawn we can probably play Re8 and Bf8 which secures the king. In this position as white they might as you say delay castling until they have an attack. In that case perhaps we ought to castle quick and prepare for an opening of the centre.
So h6 it is?
Far1ey
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ccmcacollister
2/05/2007
09:48:11
[ report this post ] | A critical Move ...
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Hi. Lets do at least consider ...h6 to be our default move then, for the moment at least. I expect they would still push ...g5 anyway. But I would like to look things over some more today if possible. what kind of time do we have?
It seems to me this move now may be a critical one for determining what is or is not possible for us to do in the near future. And may even determine what course the game will take. As well as where our King will be. And probably the positioning of the QB as well.
We can easily get into having some WT SQ weaknesses becoming real dodgy for us thru e6/f7/g6. And they may come after e6 with their f-pawn or even a sac there directly, or of the type where play would go like
f5 ...e5/ Ne6 !? fe6/ (and fe6 probably attacking a Nd7 by then), and move Qh5 could factor in.
I'm feeling like ...b4 push is not so good at the moment since it may actually help them towards Nce2=Neg3 bringing it to the K-side. Or even Na4, being Fischerlike
move during a f4/f5 advancement theme (Fischer-Tal), and then c4 is even freed for Bc4 unless Qc7 stopping it. Wonders if it could Really turn transpostional toward
That Game?!? Would be quite and interesting matter ...
Perhaps good they have used an extra tempo if ever they do go to an f3-f4,f4-f5 plan from playing f3 already. Yet may save some for not having developed the KB
nor needing to make a retreat of Bc4-b3 as in the other line.
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I do have on little d-base test I somethimes like to do as Black. It is called, "See what Ivanchuk would Do, then Don't" !? It's actually been some help in the past, in several openings. }B-D
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I was gazing at a curious idea if our N ever plays Ng-d7. Normally I'd think to see it go to Nc5 after that. Maybe Nb6. But wondering about an idea of Nf8, and not to o-o. Just as a possible twist.
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And yes, I'd have to agree it is needful to look at the Castle quick and try for a Center strike concept ... if can-do! Is always a delightful situation to be in when its there. :))
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far1ey
2/05/2007
18:30:14
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Here is the board. I am not to sure how to flip it yet...
We have a day to move so I'll wait until tonight before I make the move.
I am also worried about the white squared weakness you mentioned. Now that I come to think of it, our bishop is just as stuck as their's. The only semi decent square is b7 whcih isnt very useful because it hits the king side when we are attacking the queenside and it also blocks the b-file (the b-file isnt open yet but when we start attacking there is a good chance it will open up). Furthermore playing Bb7 would encourage a f5! maneuvre from white because black has released pressure on f5 due to Bb7.
On another note I am not too sure we should play g6. Only if there was a mating threat should we play such a move which gives white the f6 square and makes the f6 pawn (if it gets moved there) weak.
I like your comment on the b4 move. I didnt think of the knight coming to e2 and g3. We will want to mobolise our pieces so that after the Ne2 (or the Na4 which I must admit looks dubious from my point of view but also very interesting.) we can exploit the queen side immediately. In otherwards I suggest not playing b4 until we can follow it up with Queenside activity.
Nf8!? A very interesting Idea! I will have a deeper look at it tomorrow but I think it would be quite nice to get them out of the book and making the game more interesting. (the last thing we want is a boring rook and pawn endgame after all this counter attacking) It also looks to be a very decent move. Instead of castling into possible danger, black covers all the squares around the centre king with the Be7 and Nf8. Very possible that we could play this move! The only thing we may have to look out for is some tactical trick.
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far1ey
2/05/2007
23:26:41
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Ok I'll make the move h6. We are running out of time
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ccmcacollister
2/08/2007
00:39:55
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Sorry , I spent a couple days in bed it seems and totally out of it. Have gotten to see exactly nothing at this point. But it does seem ...h6 must be getting played for a long time now. It will be good to have that h-file open if we are not o-o there it would seem. I hope to do some Chess tomorrow ... basically later today i guess.
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far1ey
2/08/2007
22:56:30
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Qd2!
I'll analyse and post tomorrow. I am too tired today...
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far1ey
2/10/2007
23:17:58
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Ok
Qd2 nothing unusual and I think we have three suitable choices.
Bb7 occupying the diagonal and allowing a future Rc8
Be7 simple developing and preparing 0-0 or else the Nbd7 - Nf8!?
Nbd7 The most popular and flexible move
Also possible is b4 but we have agreed that this is useless without the proper follow up.
I think that either Be7 or Nbd7 are best. Bb7 isnt necessary just yet and If we want to play Nf8 then either move complies Nbd7 with this. Furthermore after Nbd7 we might want to look for a Ne5 or Nc5 if we do not play Nf8.
Thoughts?
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ccmcacollister
2/12/2007
19:40:34
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I think I may like this move too, tho it is one that I've seldom gotten into myself. Usually I've ended up in lines where Bb7 andor b4 aor Be7 were played instead or first. But I was just looking at one line of Nbd7 that I found tonight and interested so far, tho havent "taken in" all of it yet. The "trouble" with the move, in some lines is that it can lead to sacs on e6. For eg in the Fischer Var. with Bc4 e6/ Bb3 b5/ f4 Nbd7?! has been reputed bad there, from what I recall. I think that Wt was taking on e6 directly tho obviouslyl the f5 push type stuff stays strong there too, being thematic there. But here without the Bc4 and f3 rather than f4, I think I like the looks of this. Grandphish played Nd7 vs me too, in our game, tho I dont recall the particulars at the moment.
The "Other" think with Nbd7 is you have to watch out for ...Nc6. Right now you can answer it with ...Qc7 of course. Only move = good move tho. But it is something to watch. And may with to play Qc7 or Bb7 to stop it. I'm not sure if Bb7 is where that B goes yet? Wondering for eg ... if we should sometimes get to play ...Nc5 (beleive it should be before any ...b4, or Na5 might stop the placement
by exchanging or also threatens ...b6 SQ) then ...b4/ Nmove. Then a couple ideas I see. EG (A) consider leave b4 as gambit if they are o-o-o there. or (B) ...a5 supporting it. Then follow-up placements ....Ba6 and ....Qb8!? or alt= ...e5 ...Be6
Hopefully they have o-o-o there. Those just some of my own thoughts, may be new. Not sure. (The first looks like Dragon's "Stein" Var. a bit tho, plays Qb8 ... similar in play to the "Chinese" there of Rb8)
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I still havent gotten to specific games. MAybe it is good, tho since I am looking at this in a general way. Then hope to find specifics too, as I know you have seen. But am sending you PM about that ... as I've "lost" a site, I think you might know the URL for..later)
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The generalities I've seen for BL to Watch Out for ... should the position come to support them for WT:
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A)Nd5 piece sac despite a apawn on e6, ala Velimirovic first played in a famous game. Believe that would be after WT o-o-o & perhaps Re1 as well.
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B)Nc6 as mentioned. (C) Bxb5 or Nxb5 if ever "Good" for WT.
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(D)Piece sac on e6. (E) h4/Rg1/g5 (G)Need watch not to lose any piece on d7, like sometimes the Bd7 in a Dragon when o-o-o doubles on WT's Q-file and the Bd7 turns out pinned & indefensible. A longshot occurance at present, as most of these, but things i watch for in Sicilians.
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(F)Conceivably they may wish to play f4 then f5, perhaps tossing away the g-pawn in the process. Getting open g-file, but mainly probably just being an unimportant pawn, if they can get in an f5 strike at e6 without it there.
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EG re (F):
(In some Bg5 Richter lines for EG, I have seen where WT is o-o-o already with pawns on e4,f4,g4,Qf3 &Rhg1, and so there Bxf6 is played, then Nxf6/ g5 Nfd7 / f5 Bxg5+/ Kb1 etc. Where WT tosses away the g-pawn at g5 to get in f5 there. A standard attack position seen a lot during the mid-80's .
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I still agree with what you said about ...b4 not being great at this time. Especially just giving them options of Ne2 then Ng3 or Nf4 perhaps even. Or of Na5. I am leary also of getting too 'strung out' and loose on our Queenside if they are not yet o-o-o or if we might also get hit with a significant center counterstrike. Think that we need to REMEMBER that they might just slip in the move "O-O" !? or ! at a nice moment after setting up to launch in the center vs us. (MAybe even Kf1 !?/?!)
Maybe first they even "make motions" of attaking us on K-side first like Be2 or Bd3
and pawn h4!? Which looks kinda safe for them if they meet an ....h5 with g5 for EG ...and us loosening up more to "lever" with ...f6 then needs ...Be7 & ...o-o first I'm nearly certain, to live. [But we would be alert to Piece sac'g over there if need be, which maybe they would not consider. To me, locked pawns simply means it may well take a piece sac to open it ...as seen for BL in KI all the time. But not to say we would necessarily have that good of a potential there. So much remains to be seen, ya?!]
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RE: a Nf8 ... it can just as well be either knight, if we decide to go to that. Another thought.
I wonder if this IS/maybe/may become; one of those positions where it is safe or good or beneficial for BL to O-O-O in the Najdorf ?!/!? What do you think? are you familiar with those? If so can you point me to one?
I've played such about two or 3 times ever, but remember it being great fun in those particular games! HOWEVER, twas decades ago and not on the top of my head {...or maybe it IS on top of my head??? I only know I cannot find it INSIDE my head at the moment ... :) }
I cannot even recall right now if it is only played when WT has o-o-o, or in other circumstances as well? I do remember seeing one tho, where it was done even after the b5 expansion was made, but not that outcome or if that was really correct or if it should only be Without ...b5 having been played? In one of mine, I do remember it being Without the push. Not sure the other ...
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PS// Getting tired, for reason you know of. Hope fairly understandable. Going to do some game looking momentarily tho. }8-)
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ccmcacollister
2/12/2007
20:13:00
[ report this post ] | Far1ey ...HAVE We DROPPED our QUEEN ??? !!!!!
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I'm sure you noticed too, the potential Nc6 for wt , so just for the record .... I don't think we can afford playing ...Be7 next move and giving up our dark bishop to Nc6 ... do you?
The other thing; I've been pondering if we are better to play ...Be7 after preventing Nc6, or wait with it a bit?!
Potential 'Advantages': #1.Would continue defense of ...d6 while giving option of a timely o-o if needed or a Kf8 flight SQ (which seems not unlikely might well end up the equal or better choice ... as in some French Defenses)
#2.Potential for Bh4+ if desired later, or Bxh4, and more pressure on ...g5 so would probably give option of a piece tradeoff of B's if g5 is pushed.
#3.Blocks Ke8 from an opening of e-file later.
#4. Adds coverage for d8 sq, or could possibly move to Q-side vs Bd8 if desirable(?! sounds Real Doubltful tho! eh!? :)
#5. Also freesf8 for N or R, besides the K
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Potential Disads:
~g7 then unprotected for the moment
~ Blocks protection of f7 by the Queen, such as Qc7, or Qe7 ???
[Worst move on the board right now, yeah?!! Qe7, Nc6 ...Scary, that easy to lose, so very soon !! Also close if now Bxb5 axb5/ 11.Nxb5 for Nc6 next to win! yeow again! So close! So what of 10.Ncxb5 axb5 11.Nc6 Qc7 12.Bb5 ........
WAIT A MINUTE HERE! HAVE WE DROPPED OUR QUEEN !!??? ??? ??!?!?!! ?!!! ;-(
OH MAN I HATE THAT! Losing a QUEEN is SO BAD! ANY COMPENSATION ?!! NO??!!Hmmm?! . . .
Oh- Oops okay Scuze-me ...I didnt think so either;
Guess we get to keep our Queen, but just checking there }B-D hohoho !?
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ccmcacollister
2/12/2007
23:07:42
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This seems to be the only line close to our game, there! That kind of amazes me, but so it is. Then again, to remember my own words; the now called "English Attack" with f3 and g4 WAS called very weak back when the book was written, and has been worked on a lot since then apparently.
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1,e4 c5 2,Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 Nbd7 7.Be2 Nc5 8.Bf3 Bd7
9.g4 h6 10.Qe2 g6 "=" per MCO, with no other source mentioned.
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