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wote
1/08/2007
22:36:40
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 Subject: Team Rules
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How many of you Captains use some of all of these team rules?
1) They time out without providing a good reasons.
2) They insult either other members of the team, or their opponents (if you have a grievance with an opposing player, please let me know and I will speak with the opposing captain to sort out).
3) Persons with dual accounts will not be accepted.
And will be removed for the Team.
4) Anyone caught using a Chess Program will also be removed from the team.
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eqj2
1/09/2007
13:50:19
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I use #1, #2 and #3 I will never tolerate anyone that does not obey rule #2. Rule #1 if they time-out and they don't contact me the first day when they come back I try to send another message to them again and no response then I get the ax out its kind of messy but it happens. =) Cheers Eddie captain of the Chess Players of the World
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wote
1/09/2007
18:58:34
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Thanks for your reply; and what do you think about rule #4?
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muppyman
1/09/2007
20:36:25
[ report this post ] | Chess programs are forbidden.
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On this site anyone caught using one during a game should not only be thrown out of a team, but also reported to admin(with the proof of course) so they can face possible expulsion from GK. Using a program during a game here is nothing more nor less than cheating and there is no room on this site for cheats.
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silhouet2003
1/10/2007
16:24:17
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do you really believe that most of the 2000+ rated players don't use a program?
I think that we are from another planet if we don't accept that fact....why is there only a reaction from low rated players on this forum?
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wote
1/10/2007
18:26:19
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do you really believe that most of the 2000+ rated players don't use a program? LOL i'm sure many do!
My artical in progress!
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As many of you know “Umakant Sharma” was caught using a Blue Tooth device to relay chess moves to his counterparts. But it was not a just a random check that lead to the discovery of the cheater being caught. It was his fast climb in his chess rating that gave him away. Over 18 months he climbed to a grand master level, and other chess players suspected he was cheating. Why did the other players think this you mite ask? Well that is easy. Most chess players in the chess world know each other and have played each other many times for years, some times decades. And when some new guy comes along and cleans up on the chess board, people start to talk about it. The same could be true for a internet chess site. But the problem is that they start everybody off at the same rating. They do not ask if you have ever played chess before. They do not ask if you have every obtained a chess rating. Most organizations will ask, and if you say no, and then proceed to win games above a beginner’s level they will investigate the matter. Most people new to chess, even if they played a bit of chess at a younger age, or causal chess form time to time, will not obtain a ELO chess rating above 1600 - in there 1st year. Very few players will obtain an ELO rating above 1800 in their 1st year. The rating system is mathematical, and has been used to rate players since the early 1970’s The system can even be used in retrograde to get the rating performance of players as far back as records will aloud.
It should be easy to spot cheaters on web sites. All the web sites need to do is implement a few old rules, and ask the same questions the USCF, FIDE and the CFC ask, when a new player is signed up. A real quick way of spotting cheaters is to do a quick audit of there chess rating. ( win % - lost % + draw % x maximum rated player(in the rating system they are in) / played games = rating gain per game. Exp: 60% – 30% + 10% x 2500 / 525 = 1.9 points per games ( a rating of 1000 ) It can take any where from 10 or 20 years to become a master and even longer to become a grand master at chess, and anyone with a rating over 2400 should be playing in FIDE and local tournaments almost once a week. Miron Sher of the USA has a rating of 2420. born in 1952 and at the age of 55 still hold his GM title. In the last 41 FIDE games played he has lost 2 rating points over the 7 years. While Alexander Onischuk GM of the USA has played 481 FIDE rated games in the passed 7 years and has gain 26 rating points. Not a lot of movement in the ratings. Yet when you check some of the internet players, they are gaining between 10 to 30 point per game! But the quick calculation only works if players are asked to state their rating before they play any games. Thus if a player states his rating is 1600 or 1800, his stats will show work out correctly in the calculation. There are more complex calculations that can be used to audit ratings. Most good players will gain between 3 to 5 rating points per game until they reach their peak, after witch there average gain will start to fall.
Another way to tell if an internet player is cheating is how they play and what they play. Most GM’s will play the same openings over and over. They may have up to five or six different openings they use for each colour, and favour 2 or 4 of them. So if you see a player using all openings and playing like a master in every single game and never playing the same opening system regularly, then this is another clue of a cheater. One of the other traits chess programs have is they tend to go for material, rather than piece placement. They also do not guard against draws as well as a master would.
One of the ways an internet chess site can test players is by having them play against a chess program to test there chess ability. The 1st 5 to 10 games could be played against a chess program that could test a rating range from 1200 to master level. The advantage of this is that a cheater would have to play at a master level, and that is fine, let him, or a very good play who does not cheat, comes into the rating pool at there level. Lower rated players then do not need to lose 30+ rating points to a player rated 1200 in the pool, yet who is playing at an 1800 to 2400 level. For the ELO system to work well, new players need to be introduced at their playing level, as to keep the ratings in check. Just because a player is new, does not mean that they have to start at the bottom. One of the other main problems with the internet ELO system is that new players do not always get paired with players of there own strength, they may get 5 players under 1600, and then they have to work there way up the latter form there on in. Higher rated play do not like playing new lower rated player in case they lose, and suffer a rating lost of 20 to 30 points that will be hard to gain back if they are at there peak.
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If you have any more comments or thoughts or ideas on this please post them here
WOTE
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silhouet2003
1/15/2007
22:14:07
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no more comments...
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leo_london
1/16/2007
10:47:55
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silhouet ..Probably because this debate belongs in the " chess related " forum ?
It started as a discussion about team captains enforcing the rules, it has moved on to cheating by the use of chess computers/engines.
I think the post by wote is very interesting and deserves a larger audience..why not copy/ paste and start a thread in chess related..I am sure this will bring many responses, even from 2000+ players.
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wote
1/18/2007
22:09:20
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just a note here, now the topic is getting hot, lots of replys....
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