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tactical_abyss
26-Apr-09, 07:53

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tactical_abyss
26-Apr-09, 09:28

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lighttotheright
01-May-09, 03:20

Although unrated should be an option, having it side by side with rated games could draw people into more and more unrated games. Unrated games should be the exception, not the rule. Too many unrated games could subvert the rating process.

I would keep it the way it is. If you are playing a substantially lower rated player, then it may make sense to play unrated. In such a circumstance both sides know what they are getting into. The deliberate nature of a challenge safe-guards against the unexpected.
blake78613
01-May-09, 11:02

I do not understand how too many unrated games would subvert the rating process.
kingdawar
01-May-09, 11:06

Blake78613
The secret is in the words "too many".  
tactical_abyss
01-May-09, 21:01

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baronderkilt
01-May-09, 22:36

I like idea of Unrated JOIN Games. Other thoughts...
Unrated play allows more casual play for those who are very serious about Rating status. And also permits play of training games, and games that try new opening ideas one might never want to risk rating points on. I have enjoyed Rated and Non here.
*****
In an odd turnabout, my Rated and Unrated play swapped importance between the time I started GK and until now. At first the "normal" situation applied; I would try to be more serious in Rated play. Till now, I find myself giving more attention And interesting to the recent unrated game. Only GK "Buddies" tend to play me unrated, & then also make good and interesting play! I end up getting the more fascinated by that, & spending more time than on some recent Rated play.
*****
Maybe wrong, but think I have a gist, or near analogy of what lighttotheright might be suggesting re a second class of games, eg Unrated in this case, effecting another class of games, eg Rated. When we look to the difference between a players Individual Rating and their Team Play Rating; Might not there be some corollary to Rated vs Unrated?
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It is often seen that team play rating is quite a bit different from a players' other. Many claim to spend more time and effort on Team games as well. So one would expect their play to be better quality in the Team Games, and probably IS. Yet everyone elses' must be too, because quite often the Team rating will be the lower of the two !?
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Therefore it seems there Could BE a factor(s) involved that's somewhat "subverting" or at least 'altering' of what might be expected?! I'm not sure exactly what or why. Wonder if it could involve a premise that only 'more serious' types of players chose to add Team play to their Individual games; and those who play Only Team games might be the most serious of all? ... having no Challenge games or Tournament Games.
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And while it might be said those who play only Tournaments may be very serious in play, I think the difference in the two rating pools is substantial. EG, the difference involved that Team matches tend to get paired to equal opponents. Whereas those who play Challenge games sometimes get paired much higher or lower, as do those who play Tournaments. Consequently I'd expect Team games would make a higher percentage of drawn games [ as opposed to Decisive games] in That rating pool; than Challenge+Tournament games would in non-Team rating pool. Thus if so, of course the less even pairings of the latter would make a larger percentage of Win/Loss games (vs draw % therein) compared to the Win/Loss percentage of the Team Games rating pool. !?
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So my thought is that if the 'type' of players & their attitudes present in a rating pool is a factor that alters it; perhaps players abandoning one rating pool for another [ to the Unrated Pool in this case], thus changing the composition of the pool abandoned
.... Well you see the potential for corollary there don't you?
I hope so, because I feel I've most poorly written what I am trying to say, & can only think of it as a Possibility, rather than something I am seeing a clearcut reason for. And I don't know if it is close at all to what LotR was saying ... But hopefully he can explain it better than my attempt, if we are anywhere close in reasoning it.
*****
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PS: Also if a lot of players suddenly changed to Unrated games as the rule, & play all Unrated games less seriously, even sloppy; it could become a case that bad habits created in UR play then weakens their play when they do go Rated. If enough do that, it would have effects. On the otherhand it is just as possible they may play much Better in the few rated games they Would continue playing ...just due to more time & care given, having less Rated games to deal with~! So maybe player A & B would just cancel each other out and No real Rating effect is felt !? BTW, I hope you are not as confused as I feel right now after trying to explain what I think I am trying to say !?! BTW-2, YES it Has been a long day~!
nemesis1010
02-May-09, 04:01

How about unrated mini-tournaments?
I know we have the 'no rating limits' option available but that merely means no mini-tournament points will be awarded whilst still consisting of rated games. As a fan of trying experimental or completely stupid opening themed minis, (sometimes just for fun, other times for genuine interest in an opening) I've often thought that making all the games unrated might be better and encourage experimentation with different opening lines. Just a thought.
tactical_abyss
02-May-09, 04:24

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kingdawar
02-May-09, 11:49

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kingdawar
02-May-09, 11:50

Nemesis1010 - a very good suggestion of unrated invite-only mini-tournaments. I think GK should implement this.
Winds_of_wisdom - I think adding unrated open seeks would be an unnecessary "improvement".
tactical_abyss
02-May-09, 12:06

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tactical_abyss
02-May-09, 12:15

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tactical_abyss
02-May-09, 12:31

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kingdawar
02-May-09, 12:34

Yes, it is perhaps a good idea; I only say that I personally would not like the implementation of this idea. That's all.
tactical_abyss
02-May-09, 12:42

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jstevens1
03-May-09, 23:10

I wonder if I hold the record for playing unrated games
Hi everyone!

The story is is that soon after I got my established rating I entered into some mini-tournaments and played opponents about 200 points north of my rating. I lost quite a few games and conceded a couple of very low draws. I lost confidence and took the advice of somebody who recommended I play unrated games. I decided to join the Coaching Club and then ended up playing unrated games against people in my own rating bracket for about two months. I then did start to play rated games after a win against somebody 200 points north of my rating gave my fragile ego a boost. I now play a mixture of rated and unrated games. In my non-tournament games against buddies I have been playing unrated. However, where my opponent is at Master level (2200+) I have been prepared to play rated games as I can live with a 1-2 point rating loss, but if I win or draw the reward will be anything from 8-19 points. It may be worth looking through my profile to see if I hold this record, but I warn you it is 8 pages long! If you look at my rating just after the Big Slump and my current rating I think the approach has paid off.

Btw - I am now playing an unrated game against winds-of-wisdom and if I put up a reasonable show you may well find me annotating it!

Cheers.

Joanne
tactical_abyss
04-May-09, 02:05

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jstevens1
09-May-09, 04:56

jstevens1 v winds_of_wisdom
As an afterword my unrated game against winds_of_wisdom ended in a loss. I may annotate it later but I can just say that he had me completely tied up in knots by the time I resigned on move 27.

Joanne