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 Cancelling postponements?One of my opponents,who is rated very high on the rating list(higher than me)has actually done this about 3 times now.Under these circumstances,would it be proper etiquette to cancel those players postponements,or just let it go?I just want to know if alot of the players on GK would just let this slide,or they would automatically cancel the other players postponement or time-outs without giving it a second thought? |
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olean_don 27-May-09, 18:47 |
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The postponement is a safeguard my game speed and my game history reflects that i am not postpone to stall games, and that even wen the game is postponed i try to keep moving. you end up on my ignore list if my postponement is canceled |
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Its not a big deal to me,but I was just wondering.What about players that are NOT doing for the reasons of finding an internet connection,but just because they took on more than 100 games at one time and are postponing so that they can utilize the extra time to think out their moves and THEN make a move or two DURING that postponement?What about that?Would it be proper etiquette to cancel that kind of postponement? |
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Well, I think you should never cancel postponements I for instance mostly have enough time to play around 30 to 40 games at once. But sometimes my work or private live takes more time and then 40 is too much, but like 15 to 20 isn't. That's when I use a postponement of 2 days while still continue moving. It wouldn't be interesting for me to stop playing for 2 days, like some here at Gameknot find the proper thing to do, because after those 2 days I'm still very busy and I'm still stuck with too many games. But by playing some of them in those 2 days I manage to get everything under control. Now why would someone cancel my postponement ... it wouldn't change the outcome of the game since the amount of time I think to play a move stays roughly the same. Everyone here at Gameknot has plenty of thinking time for a move anyway. What's the difference between 20 or 30 minutes of thinking about a move? |
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fmgaijin 28-May-09, 14:47 |
Some Do, Some Don't, So . .. My biggest beef about postponements is that they do not work properly for "increment" games, so I generally wind up losing a lot of my accumulated time and in tournaments with 1 day increments that can be hard to recoup. |
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In reality,I believe this is not right.Postponements should be automatically cancelled under these type of circumstances.....and if not then any player that constantly does this should not be "shocked"into reality if I or some other player simply cancels his postponement. |
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I always wonder ... I just don't understand. Why bother. |
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tactical_abyss 29-May-09, 11:01 |
Deleted by tactical_abyss on 29-May-09, 11:16.
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olean_don 29-May-09, 11:30 |
I agree WOW |
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#2....as i said above...."its not a big deal to me",so no,its NOT burning at me as you say,levellerlevvie.Infact,I as you can see by my original post I was simply getting some feedback and other opponents viewpoints. As to the difference between 4 and 6 months,of course not if a difference is that little between a game finish.But don't kid yourself,habitual postponements and delays can lengthen a game much more than that!There is a reason for a player to post a 2 or 3 day time setting,and expect a certain level of timely play on these quicker time settings.If this was not the case,then lets all have 7-10 day settings with no other "options"....and see how that goes over like a lead balloon. #3...More importantly,why should an opponent keep postponing a game,if he keeps playing DURING the postponement in the first place?For players that KEEP doing this,not once,not twice,but time after time,these players should then only accept games with much LONGER time controls,say 7 day time controls instead of accepting or posting a game with a 2 or 3 day setting....if they know that they will NOT have the "time" to play the quicker time controls. Players that post a 2 or 3 day time control setting,do expect a certain "level" of timely etiquette with their opponents whether it be player against player,team or tournament level.....and not have habitual postponements due to stalling or other reasons.I'm sure most players on GK would agree with me here,but not everyone reads the forums! Why bother you ask? No,its more like,why does my opponent "bother" accepting a 2 or 3 day game,if its going to be habitual delays and stalling over and over again?Its the reverse,my friend! If a player dosen't feel that they are going to have the time to move in a normal timely etiquette fashion in quicker established time settings of 2 or 3 days,then simply move on to the next player with 7 or more days per move time controls or post your own 7 to 14 day move game........and this way there will be no need to "postpone habitually",because the player should have all the time in the world to move....see? The flip side of the coin is that some players set a game on 2 or 3 days for good reason,and also need to finish within a reasonable amt of time for a host of reasons. So again I say,if your going to plan on habitual postponements,why accept a 2 or 3 day game?That makes no logical sense at all....simply only play longer time controls so no postponements on your opponent is necessary,or become the equivalent of a 5 or 6 day game with the stall tactic..... |
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I meant to say don't be surprised if the postponement does get "cancelled". Sorry,I haven't had my dinner yet! |
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luckypawn 29-May-09, 13:42 |
Recently But knowing that my opponents have the right to cancel my postponement, and might even feel indignant that I'm on and playing but won't play against them for another a while, I usually wouldn't play during my postponement unless I expect my opponent to cancel, as is their full right...and if they don't, I assume they're ok with my actions. Usually, I would never play if my vacation flag is up, and I usually don't delete an opponent's flag, unless I suspect they're doing it to intentionally prolong the game (which rarely happens). Sometimes, when I come back to play before my vacation flag is over, I play without erasing it, out of curiousity to see if my opponents in general would cancel the postponements or just play on, and I've never had a postponement cancelled on me. I don't know if it's because they don't care either way, or because they also wonder if it's proper etiquette. |
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luckypawn 29-May-09, 15:39 |
hmm But at the same time, if someone wanted to have a vacation flag up as a precaution, but continue to play in all his games, and all his opponents were not only agreeable to his playing but perhaps happy that they don't have to wait for a month to play (one might wonder why he'd have the vacation flag up in the first place if he could play while on vacation; he might have internet access but limited....or he might have intervals of internet access and intervals without during the period in which he postponed....or a number of reasons)......one might wonder why he doesn't simply NOT play if he's not sure he'll have enough internet access.....but if he manages to postpone his games and move them on a bit at the same time, with opponents who are agreeable because it beats him not playing at all during the vacation period, then why not?.....But that option wouldn't be available if such a system were implemented. I hope that makes sense, I don't know how to word it less awkwardly. |
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Will this person ever reach point "b"?The answer is not as easy as you think! Just some fun here,among this postponement chat. |
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But the problem here at Gameknot is that some game-formats like Tournament and League have fixed time-controls of 2 and 3 days. Me for example likes those two formats but at the same time I'm stuck with the time-controls. When I enter a mini-tournament or a challenge I make sure that I have much bigger time-controls but I just like playing those tournaments or league. Well, all that I'm saying is that things mostly have an honourable reason, in this case postponing games somewhat more often than it seems necessary .. but everyone should think twice before simply cancelling because in most cases it's an emotional reaction based on false assumptions concerning the nature of the postponement. Now everyone can think what he wants but I won't be changing my habit of postponing now and then to get those extra days in .. and if someone wants to cancel it ... no problem... I can handle it easily since I'm able to play a few moves each day so .. they don't hurt me. If I timeout games it's because I don't find time to play .. not because someone has cancelled the postponement. |
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