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 Suggestion for vacationI have a solution for that. 1) The player (A) is only allowed to set the vacation flag, if he is not to move in all of his games. 2) If the opposite (B) moves in the vacation time, (A) will not see his move until the vacation time is away. 2a) In 2) (B) has more time to think. So (B) should see the last move of (A) if the the vacation time is away and the normal time begins. In real chess the players can only go away from the board if the are not at move, and if a game is interrupted one player must put his move in an envelope. Lets discuss! |
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vacation I think You speak about the option, if a player make a move during the vacation and the oposite can cancel the vacation. But the player can think the long vacation time on his move and make the move at the end of the vacation. In my suggestion this is not possible. |
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muppyman 08-Aug-09, 14:59 |
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I disagree with this - what's there to elaborate; it would be a nonsensical augmentation of the rules. If it is my turn to move in ALL my games with little time on the clock, well THEN it should be the perfect time to take a postponement. |
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baronderkilt 08-Aug-09, 16:59 |
aixrad ... **** The second point is good but unneeded. Because the objective can be attained under present rules, by simply waiting out the opponent's PP time before sending your move to him. No problem since his PP also adds that time to your clock. So that is what I sometimes do, especially if the move took any thought, or might be a TN, improvement or real surprise~! Then I agree, it is not good to give an opponent a heap of extra thinking time for it, certainly. **** Must disagree with your final statement tho, unless things are different under FIDE or German auspices. Here in the USA, under USCF Rules, players are perfectly free to walk about the tournament site or anywhere, whether it is their move or the opponents. It may have changed now, but when I was directing into the 1990's, the only rule pertaining was to the effect that a player should advise the Tournament Director if he would be away from the site for longer than something like over 10 or 15 minutes. And it is well known that FIDE players often utilize one or more "Seconds"; players who do the analysis for them during adjourned games. Of course, it is my understanding that this practice was never considered "Legal conduct" even in FIDE, but just so widespread and unstopable that nothing was done about it. At times I felt that this practice was an unfortunate breach of the Rules. At other times tho, I found it to be fascinating to hear about and some of the stories that came from this practice. About misanalysis, refutations at the board, overlooked moves, incredibly unpredictable sealed moves, players arriving too tired to play the game, or forgetting the analysis that was supposed to win. etc. It did seem to add a lot to the Tournament Lore, back when sealed moves were more common. **** One point I would like to make: Personally I feel that someone using PP in order to try to play catch-up on games analysis, is already in a precarious situation. And likely have not been able to analyze their games properly up to that point. And may find many mistaken concepts that they must change, but many may not be salvagable. Then when they come back from PP they must be all caught up and even Ahead on analyzing because they cannot PP again for some time period. So any Surprise or Improvements sprung on them after they return from PP are all the more likely to prove Fatal to their game, imo. So I believe that for many players, like myself actually, this press for continuous moves after they return can be a greater hazard than any that they may have avoided by taking a PP. Especially true for me, since I will have to PP often for health, family or business reasons, and often do not even Get to analyze AT ALL during the PP time, and end up going at it in Fully OTB style mode, with no benefits of Corr. play at all then. ***** I realized early on, at GK that this site is especially well designed to help each player to play their BEST Corr Chess game they possibly can. And I think the PP Rules are reflective of that. The designed clearly did not want a lot of games being lost to pressures and circumstances off the board. And there is something to be said for that. Especially for those of us who regard the game as an Artistic Endeavor, or seek to play a "Perfect Game" or see it as a search for Truth of each position. Many such players actually Want their opponent (perhaps they even see him/her as their "co-player" or "co-designer" of the Art) to find the Best Moves possible. I often applaud a great save or combination from across the board. Others will regard their game as a "fight/contest" between 2 people, as did Lasker ... and I can see where that approach would have more concern with time factors. Or between two "Wills" as Fischer, who said something like, "I love to see the point when they know its lost and their Ego crumbles". |
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I just spent the weekend away, so I added three days to all my games. No sooner had I done this, an opponent made a move, and my reply was obvious, so I made it immediately. Why should I not be able to do this? The rules seem fine as they are. "In real chess the players can only go away from the board if the are not at move, and if a game is interrupted one player must put his move in an envelope." But this is CC chess, not wooden pieces chess. And if a player wishes to add time simply to study the position more thouroughly, then that is his right, we can all do it. I added time to my games despite not actually needing to, I was away for 4 days and all my games are 7-day games, but I wanted to be able to analyse properly, without rushing my moves, when I return. I don't see any need to change the current vacation rules, they already work fine for most of us. |
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normbenign 31-Aug-09, 19:29 |
Vacation rules are fine........ I've used vacation time for a vacation, for a surgery and subsequent recovery, for a bad bout with the flu. It could be a family emergency, unexpected overtime, or too big a game load. One of the unpredictable things in life is the next round of a GK tournament. I've been down to only a few games, and decided to take on a minitournament to keep me busy. On queue, the next day I get notified that three previous tournaments are maturing to the next round. If an opponent postpones for several weeks, I definitely don't move until the final day. I'll take the weeks to make sure I make my correct move, perhaps at that point one not quite so obvious. |
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