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flashbulb 14-Nov-09, 11:17 |
 Suck it up....timing out on purpose! |
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kingdawar 14-Nov-09, 12:44 |
Timeouts: 49 (11%) |
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Seriously, I wouldn't expect people to deliberately time out like that because it will use up their emergency postponement, surely? |
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tactical_abyss 14-Nov-09, 14:22 |
Deleted by tactical_abyss on 16-Nov-09, 17:26.
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rt4sm 15-Nov-09, 07:28 |
Flashbulb times out in 11% of games |
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hexs 15-Nov-09, 08:05 |
some truth (of course anything decontextualized enough might seem reasonable). But it is hard to prove that an opponent is simply waisting time and not thoroughly studying a complex situation. In any case, I think such complaints are more focused on letting out rage than really intending to find a way to address a problem. For the record, any one who purposely times out has my utter disapproval (whatever that is worth for =)). |
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easy19 15-Nov-09, 10:56 |
Glad i never get such complaints... I never encountered a on purpose timeout in a game. What i do encounter sometimes is a player who uses the vacation system to stall the game against me. Perhaps because i set some question marks to here sudden rating increase from a long time average of 1700 to a remarkable 2300+ in less then 6 months. the excuse i got back was that i was jealous on here learning skills and talent. Result I have a winning endgame that will take me a few months more Annoying and funny at the same time. time is on my side.. |
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rt4sm 15-Nov-09, 13:12 |
to improve that much in 6 months is truly remarkable )) |
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Or perhaps Fritz doesn't have one of those |
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baronderkilt 16-Nov-09, 05:27 |
Learning to lose well is essential Chess knowlege~! But such being the case, it seems to fall to me to add the caution. When/if one is cruising thru our Chess play with great health and all the time in the world, it gets easy to forget that not everyone lives in the same situation. *** So I wish others to see that someone can gain a significant number of timeouts without having any of them deliberate, nor even irresponsible. And just ask that we remember there are doubtless large numbers of people who have great issues, perhaps even "shut-ins", and that computer activities such as GK Chess can be of great importance and enjoyment. And even more persons who will simply have computer issues aor access problems. And all these situations may cause unwanted & unexpected forfeits, as life events conspire to do as they will. True, some others probably are not into Chess enough to worry about some timeouts too. But it is not always deliberate or preventable. *** It is a wide world, and the circumstances of great multitudes will differ from our own, whatever those happen to be. Just meant only as a reminder. And if someone is facing Resignation or Mate, remember it takes more courage to admit it, than just to time out. And it builds better reputation & playing character as well. AND RESIGNATION CAN BE the STRATEGICALLY-SOUND thing to do ... after all, if you have to Resign then they have to give ALL your pieces BACK TO YOU if they will play a REMATCH~! But timing out makes that less likely... Regards All, }8-) |
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flashbulb 16-Nov-09, 15:44 |
thanks all... |
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lighttotheright 17-Nov-09, 19:19 |
It is possible that they simply got bogged down in other games trying to catch up from the vacation. But they were back for several weeks and made one move before letting the game go belly up. I did have a slight advantage but why make the single move? They didn't time out in any other games at the time. Who knows! It doesn't really matter, except that the game won't be in a database because of the time out. But GK now gives you the option of placing time outs in your personal one. |
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chessnovice 19-Nov-09, 16:30 |
I've almost timed out on a couple of bad games because I have to spend >24 hour days at school/work from time to time. I try to avoid letting it happen, but it sometimes does. |
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tactical_abyss 19-Nov-09, 23:29 |
Deleted by tactical_abyss on 19-Nov-09, 23:45.
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tactical_abyss 20-Nov-09, 00:10 |
Timing-outs flip side of the coin: 1.Time-outs?Great!Some players actually wish MORE opponents will time-out! 2.Saves time on playing out a won position that the opponent fails to resign,so that the winning opponent can concentrate on other more important games. 3.Easy or easier point gain!Some players actually SEEK OUT profiles with the HIGHEST time-outs especially when they lost a few points or are a provisional player making the job easier to get to the rating level and opponents they want to play and become established quicker. 4.Some opponents do not want their best game in any public database either during or after a game is finished,so timing-out can have a positive value in that effect.Therefore,if the losing opponent times out rather than resigns,well,all the better! 5.And finally here is a shocker of reverse psychology that was told to me: "Yes,I was winning that game but timed-out on purpose because I would have only gained a point or two with that win and now lost just a small amount of points....and i'd rather save my winning strategy and pet lines against a much stronger opponent in the future without it being in the public database so I can better use it as a surprise weapon and HIGHER strategic point gain!" So,as you can see there are many reasons for timing-out or seeking out a player that actually has higher time-out stats.Some of the reasons above are hilarious,others do give food for thought. Again,these things were told to me over the years and I neither agree or disagree with the "other views",but I thought i'd share what exists out there in correspondence chess! |
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tactical_abyss 20-Nov-09, 01:19 |
result in many cases.For example,some players play for a win on time,NOT mate,especially in games 3 minutes and under.So an opponent timing-out is the desired effect.In addition,if you are down serious amts of material in a blitz game, it is NOT necessarily proper "etiquette" to resign,IF you know your opponent may not be able to mate you in the 5 seconds left on his clock and you have,say 1 minute left on your side.That is what blitz is about,not just winning,but doing it in the time alotted.So many players are estatic that they played on and not resigned in the face of overwhelming opponent power and the other opponent timed-out while they kept messaging the other opponent with a lone King on the board to resign!This becomes even more of a factor in rated blitz. |
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tybroted 22-Nov-09, 09:45 |
Time out penalty |
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coopershawk 22-Nov-09, 09:57 |
No need for additional penalty It's not always the player losing who times out. I have won several games because of time outs when the other player was in a winning position. It's just not a big deal. The existing ratings penalty provides enough disincentive in 99.9% of the cases. |
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black_cat_hamlet 23-Nov-09, 04:42 |
I'm not making timeouts now... |
