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myrydin
22-Nov-09, 12:21

Erm...
I found this in the world database:

gameknot.com

Oops!
naim2000
22-Nov-09, 12:43

15...Qd7??????
baronderkilt
22-Nov-09, 17:11

Yes . . .
Van Wely is noted for that; disrupting Chess d-base lines & statistics by losing his Queen specifically, in the opening. There is an earlier GK thread showing several more examples where he has done it. I believe the first I came across in the d-base here was Van Wely as Black in a Sicilian, thusly: gameknot.com
gameknot.com/analyze-board.pl?bd=x1769416&mv=6&rnd=0.04103549966493325

Which can be seen to be a very silly game by both players. So let me ask the Question again, as from that time; Does anyone know the circumstances whereby these games infiltrate the database? A Joke or sorts? A fictitious scoresheet turned in for some prearranged Draw? Or by players with a bye, and no real game that round perhaps?
ionadowman
22-Nov-09, 19:37

Or someone registering a protest...
... of some kind.

But in the game posted by myrydin, isn't it van Wely's opponent who played like someone at a level 2100 ELO below his nominal rating? Perhaps in protest at van Wely's propensity for stats manipulation. Never trust a statistic anyway. If it's not telling lies, it's telling damned lies...

myrydin
23-Nov-09, 02:19

I have to admit that the easily accessible database has slightly marred my enjoyment of chess at GK. I use GK as an OTB substitute but find myself playing 'research the database well' rather than 'play chess well' because I know it's likely that my opponent is doing it too. I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if there were plenty of van Wely type games that catch out skilled database users! Of course, I need to reconcile myself to the fact that this is correspondence chess.

Anyway, I once played a game against an opponent who did not seem to realise that he had played and lost an identical game before. I was almost tempted to crack a joke about when he plans to break from his previous line. I'm glad I didn't because he also gave a rerun of his resignation. Weird world.
fmgaijin
23-Nov-09, 09:48

Reruns Happen OTB, Too!
One of my college teammates (1600 rating) was infamous for his remark "Same mistake I made in Jersey!" as he fell into the same opening trap for the second time in two weeks (and, we assume, at least the third time overall given that we were NOT in Jersey!).

In Okinawa, I once played a 1900-rated player in a Grunfeld Opening Thematic Tourney where he fell into an opening trap losing at least a piece. Three weeks later, I played him in a blitz tournament the night before a major event--same opening, same result. Finally, in the event itself. the same opening mistake appeared yet a third time. After he resigned on move 12, I gently suggested that maybe he should look up that line, given that he had lost in it 3 times. He claimed he did not remember the first two games at all!!
ionadowman
26-Nov-09, 13:06

Grunfeld Defence...
... I just happened to be having a look at some of the lines in the World Database at the Grunfeld, and there are some very strange phenomena to be found there... As early as move 3 or 4 into the bargain... Weird.