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personajillo
10-Jan-10, 02:43

A request
Why do some players lengthen games when they are lost? They move every three days making game endless... Is there any solution to this?
myrydin
10-Jan-10, 03:17

Players may take longer to try and extricate themselves from tricky situations, looking very carefully to find a saving move - that takes time. From time to time you may come across players who, in your opinion, are dragging out a "lost" game. You just have to be patient because players are entitled to use all of the time agreed upon at the start.
personajillo
10-Jan-10, 03:45

Oks, I will be patient but the game tends to be boring. The rules are the same for both players. It keeps being boring.

Thanks, bye.
kingdawar
10-Jan-10, 04:14

Welcome to the site
skipwallace555
10-Jan-10, 04:59

Deleted by skipwallace555 on 10-Jan-10, 05:32.
the-green-man
10-Jan-10, 07:44

Tricky situations need more thinking time I agree. But I have many times seen a player take a very long time for each move in a hopelessly lost position. I don't understand unless it's to do with delaying getting a lower rating.
untateve
10-Jan-10, 07:57

I've played games against players who slowed down their games significantly when it became apparent that the game is lost. I imagine there are a variety of reasons for this. Generally, it does not frustrate/bother me.

For me, when I am playing in a lost game, I tend to play to the point where there is absolutely, positively no chance that I can win/draw. I find it is helpful in improving my game to work toward finding the best move. However, I generally move at my same pace because I know others find delaying tactics irritating.
personajillo
10-Jan-10, 08:17

Thanks heinzkat.

mrhooper, untateve, I think that delaying a lost game is done for frustrating the oponent. I also play lost games but I try to keep my game pace. I understand it as a psycological tactic. Nevertheless, I dont like it.

Best regards.
tugger
10-Jan-10, 08:59

I think I'm one of those players. Right now I have a team game going where I'm clearly winning one and in trouble in the other. I'm moving very quickly in the game I am ahead, because it's easy to find strong moves in this position. It's a simple endgame for me, and really he should resign, but it's no bother if he wants to play it out longer. Once I've found my 'A' move, there's no need to hold up the game.
In our other game, I am taking 5 days, 6 days per move, because I am desperately trying to find some play. I had a choice of two moves for my last move, and I still waited five days before making what seemed the obvious choice. I guess it's because I am aware that one more mistake and it's over, and I don't want to lose. So I will find what appears to be my 'A' move, and then analyse it deeper, before moving.
It's possible this inconsistent time use is annoying my opponent, but I absolutely reserve the right to use what time was agreed between players at the beginning, and I have no objection to my opponent using as much time as he is allowed either. I want my opponent to play strong, I want the game quality to be as high as possible.

The solution is to play your strongest move when you are satisfied it is best, and wait for your opponent patiently. If he's annoying you, then take extra pleasure when you finally win the game. Most importantly, don't feel like you have to rush your move because your opponent is taking his time, this is prime way to make a sloppy mistake and pass the initiative back to your opponent. If he's taking his time in a lost position, then make sure it reamins a lost position for him!

Welcome to the site.
tugger
10-Jan-10, 09:01

I will add that if I consider a position to be hopeless, I will resign, not drag it on. It's if I'm behind in material or position, but not quite lost yet. That's when I take a long time.
personajillo
10-Jan-10, 09:48

Thanks for the advice tugger. Can you analyze this position and tell me why the adversary moves every three days? (It's the only game I'm game against him)

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tactical_abyss
10-Jan-10, 09:51

Different rating levels also influence delays or resigning at times where lower rated players would not resign.I have resigned being only a pawn down against 2300+ players,in what would "appear" to NOT be a hopeless position by say,a 1600 player.Although I usually wait till about a +2 value to do so.Against most 2300-2500 players being down say 2 pawn values is most times "hopelessly lost"within itself!(Even if it is NOT the endgame!).
As to online status,I change that quite often to psychologically "affect"the movement speed of my opponent.As many would agree,when your online status is in the "on"position,this will many times affect my opponent to move more quickly.When my green light is "off" they tend to check back less often and move slower.Sometimes I turn my online status "off"if I have a more complex position and actually wish the game to slow down a bit!
personajillo
10-Jan-10, 10:12

It's a good advice although I dont like the psycological chess. I think that the chess has 64 squares.
tactical_abyss
10-Jan-10, 10:22

I see your point personajillo,and I understand what you are saying 100%.
But in chess there has been and always will be "psychological warfare" on and off the board.
It happens all the time even in GM play,like not showing up at the board,as Fischer did it in 1972 and other Psy "tactics".Its all part of the game,like it or not.
As a realist,I just like pointing out the reality of chess situations,early resignations and more.
I've seen and heard everthing in the book in my 40+years playing,including resigning "won"positions to throw off a player in the next game!You would be surprized at what is out there!
tactical_abyss
10-Jan-10, 10:48

Let me add to my above message that even slowing down a game can and will many times "affect" an opponent in many ways.The opponent may become frusturated or unsettled or angered,ect ect.Then they decide to move alot "quicker"than they usually do,or set up a string of conditional moves that are not well "thought out".This in turn, might very well lose a game for that opponent even in some situations where the same opponent had material winning chances.With seasoned players,this will rarely occur,atleast in corresp.,but I have seen OTB situations where it can and will affect experienced players.
tugger
10-Jan-10, 19:16

personajillo
As this is an active game, I can't analyse and comment on the current position. All I can say is that if I were black, I'd have resigned after move 24.
rikved
10-Jan-10, 22:20

After Move is Submitted... Settings...
I read through these replies quickly so I apologize if I am repeating something already said... But I think sometimes this behavior can do with their settings. If someone is playing a moderate or significant amount of games and has their settings on "After move is submitted, go to next game with highest material value", AND they have a tendency to move on only half their games at a sitting, those losing games will forever sit on the bottom of the queue until they are FORCED to move because of the time restriction (like when they get an email saying they only have 24 hours left). I think a lot of behavior that people find frustrating in their opponents can be as simple as what their settings are for which board is shown next. Just my 2 cents.