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chessnovice 23-Jan-09, 05:52 |
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One player messaged me(in my messenging center) and basically said in so many words that I was "not civil" if I did not respond back to him during a game,then did not let me defend myself because he put me on his ignore list immediately after making his comment.I would call his "actions"even more "uncivil" if he sends opinionated remarks to someone and then does not "let"the other player defend himself.As far as i'm concerned,this player is "abusing"the messaging center by saying that his opinion is the "only correct opinion",putting his hand out and then saying..."i don't want to hear any other opinions".Well,to that player i say,we live in a world of free choices and I live in a democratic society,not a communistic one that makes the rules and says...my way or the highway! My 2nd player on the ignore list was just today....I sent him a challenge,he accepted and we both made some moves.THEN he sent me a challenge and I declined.He said to me that is was not correct,not right to "decline"his challenge with a different color since he accepted my game...then he called me a "rabbit"for only playing white.I don't know about you,but i think this kind of behavior is very immature.First of all,I have the right to decline any challenge for ANY reason.Maybe i'm playing too many games and do not want to play any more.Maybe his opening was not to my liking and maybe I had no idea he wanted to play 2 games....he should have waited to make a move in the first game,before sending me a challenge in the second game.I had to place him on the ignore list.No,it is NOT improper etiquette to decline a return challenge.Must all players be forced to play 2 games with an opponent(both colors)or be wrong if they do not? |
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When you challenge a player, it can be seen as a friendly gesture and because it is usual to play a pair a games at a time, one with each colour, then an opponent might think that s/he is reciprocating such a gesture by issuing a challenge of their own? So they might take offence if such a challenge is "snubbed." It might just be a simple misunderstanding? But that doesn't make rude comments acceptable, of course. Cheers, Tim |
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The same goes for the "rabbit" situation as described above. Perhaps the player in question did not even mean it to be negative. A "White" rabbit...? Perhaps it was some sort of reference joke...? Perhaps in Italian the word "rabbit" has a ambiguous meaning? Suppose you are playing a quick game - say 5 minutes each - against a friend of yours, face to face. You have White and win on time. After the game is over, he asks for a rematch. You accept and boldly take White again... at which point your opponent says "What, are you a rabbit??". What else can you do than laugh. It would be very humorous in my eyes. It is all a matter of perception. |
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It is also NOT a "misunderstanding" by me,but it IS a misunderstanding by my opponent if his "preprogrammed"way of thinking is... "accept" my additional challenge,or i'm being "unfair" and that I should be "expected" to accept.What if,for example,he did a Grob and I don't want to play against a Grob?I'm being unfair?? If you look at other past game histories throughout this site,I GUARANTEE you will see far less "double" simultaneous challenges among all players than the other way around. Lets look at this with the flip side of the coin....If I DO NOT send another reverse color challenge to my opponent,am I being unfair in any way?Of course not! Playes must "learn"to be flexible in how they play against all types of opponents and the 2 game style that they may be accustomed to may NOT necessarily be the "norm"for the other player...and respect that right of your opponent.Rude "name calling" simply because I have too many games or other reasons and won't accept HIS challenge proves to me a level of immaturity and lack of "wisdon".Thus,one more for the "ignore"list! |
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I'm pretty sure I read that here on GK somewhere,but I don't have the desire to check. |
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Rechallenging? |
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"need" 2 games,some do not,some players feel it only proper to write atleast something in the blitz or long game message center,some players do not.Neither player is wrong......BUT, and I say BUT if they step over the line and start making any kind of remark like i'm wrong" for not answering them or if they say i'm wrong for not playing 2 games instead of 1 or if they follow me into my private messaging center and start saying i'm not "civil" or wrong for refusing to speak,or call me a rabbit(in my terms meaning scared)or anything else like that....then these players should seriously consider reexamining their incorrect behavior patterns.One should never be "forced"to accept the other players etiquette style....for there is no "universal" law or rule that says a player must do this or that when it comes to writing anything or challenging in duel colors.If I say no,thats it!Do not continue with any additional nonsense! If I do not say "gg" well,so what?Maybe I thought the game was "not" a good game!Anything wrong with saying gg?Absolutely not!Excpecting it,simply because you want or need to see that.....this is not correct...get over it! |
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If someone is rude to me, I'm usually rude back. It amuses me, especially if I think it's annoying the other person. Once, I enjoyed a 15 minute trade of insults before the game finished, after which we both said good game, it was fun, and bye. But I am never rude for no reason. If someone outplays me, that's fine, I take what I can from defeat. If someone refuses a draw offer, I play on. If I'm badly behind, I resign. I don't understand why others refuse to play or resign, especially since no points are won or lost. I suspect they have far more pressing matters in their lives to consider than I have with this pointless game. I usually put the kettle on and let the time run down. I do remember someone abandoning with an insult when a queen down and 1 move from checkmate, he just refused to move. He had over 5 minutes to run, so I just said "Well played, excellent move, I lost to the better player. Good game." and resigned. I checked and he was American, so I assumed the sarcasm was lost on him, which amused me that little bit more. Chortle. |
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One thing for sure,I will never give "rudeness"back to a player who is rude to me.Yes they may deserve it,but in my extensive experience over the years I have found out that anyone that responds back with rudeness,(depending upon the degree),will run the plank in getting their messaging privileges suspended or account suspended,atleast with higher probability. It is truly best to ignore or find humor in a players bad remarks(or put the bottom of the screen up like I do to blank out the comment section).But I normally would not give a player a taste of their own rudeness...instead,I would take down the board #,time,players name and what they wrote,paste what they wrote and send it all in to the site administrators.Its better to let them "decide"on what to do.Of couse,this is only in worse case scenario's and you feel its time to have this player gone forever. |
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rich_sposato 24-Jan-09, 12:14 |
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Mutual rudeness? special private blitz table between us: 2 minutes on the clock with 20 second increments, but (the fun part) we agree not to make any moves until we've typed some random comment in the message box. Usually it degenerates into meaningless insults (after all, there's not that much time on the clock). Still, as a general rule, I refrain from talking during blitz games, except maybe a friendly "Hi." I like the idea by windsofwisdom that we should be able to turn chat off on GK blitz (as mentioned in another forum post.) |
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also.... Many blitz sites allow a greater degree/freedom of blitz rudeness between players,like perhaps the site mentioned by paranoidyoshi above.Others allow you to throw just about anything at the other opponent(word wise)in the blitz rooms mainly due to a chat off feature that they have....but this does not exist here yet.Many of my friends that have played on GK for years tell me that GK is much stricter than other sites and a slip of a word here or there could conceivably get your priviledges revoked.So,have rude fun between someone you know or is a friend of yours if you want(and you trust)but towards a stranger,I highly suggest you refrain from any rudeness,even if it is meant to be fun.Yahoo is NOT GK. |
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It is very possible because you broke the foul language rule,that both of you could get your blitz privileges revoked or both of you could get warnings,or just you.After several warnings,you could be suspended.Don't bet on the fact that this is impossible...i've seen it happen before.Perhaps for example,the other opponent has multiple accounts from the same computer,so it dosen't matter to him if he is ejected,but it might matter to you. Also,if YOU start the rudeness and NOT your opponent and he complains to the admin,well,need i say anymore?Also,although i'm not sure,I believe that comments can be read in the long games(past game history),or perhaps present games in opponents profiles from outsiders,and this could also trigger someone (as a 3rd party) to complain to the admin. Also,if your opponent calls you every foul thing in the book(and starts it) and you happen to send him an equally bad message in his private messenging center,not in the blitz...that is more clearly on record than the blitz stuff,so,he can "get" you there.I've seen it dozens of times,trust me.Some players don't care,Tugger.Even if they start the rudeness.Maybe they have 3 computers and you have one.So they start calling you names,being rude,then you do the same....and they still complain,yes,its possible!Then the admin.can look at the remarks and boot both of you.A week later,your opponent who started the problem is back on GK under a different name,using a different computer...and you are out in the cold. You say,you won't use "foul"language?It dosen't matter,there are 1000 things in writing that can give any opponent a problem,or both opponents.If you say,the odds are against it...well I would't "play"the odds based upon what i have seen in the past,but if you want to,well thats your decision.Good luck! |
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I don't like the thought of rudeness in the blitz section. It is something that every player will eventually will have to deal with, if they play long enough. But, it should not be something a player should have to deal with all the time. You're supposed to be generally quiet while playing over the board. It should generally hold true here too, although I like the idea of being able to compliment my opponent once in a while. I generally don't have a problem with saying something nice to somebody else. In fact, it can be a lot of fun! I assume it would be a lot more fun than being rude to each other all the time. If you don't have anything nice to say, then you probably should not say anything at all. |
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Well,the "traffic" is getting too heavy in this string,time for me to leave the string for good...the traffic is getting worse than a 4 way intersection in NYC at rush hour where all the lights short circuit and all turn green at the same time.Take care all! |
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baronderkilt 27-Jan-09, 03:19 |
winds_of_wisdom Just a couple points. Yes, there is a problem at times with blitz rudeness, but in my experience it is not nearly as bad here as most other blitz sites. Actually it is probably the cleanest I've found. If someone is reported for foul or abusive language, they generally get removed from the site ASAP when it is a serious breach. Personally I allow anyone a curse or two when they lose or drop a piece. But once had a guy shooting out foul personal remarks so fast that it scrolled the Game Number off the screen before I could get it! That didnt matter tho. I simply reported the time of the game and that was enough for the webmaster to be able to go to the game and review the remarks. ... after I mated the guy of course }8-) {"Checkmate, there is no substitute..."} |
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Or are we discussing if American CHESS players are generally more rude than chess players from other parts of the world. |
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