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farmergloomy
18-Jun-10, 10:03

Courtesy in the blitz

It amazes me how few players here have the courtesy to thank their opponents for a blitz
game.

What's especially amusing, though, is the player who will offer a "gg" when they win, but
simply disconnect when they lose.

Somehow, the idea of sportsmanship seems to have evaded the chess world.

farmergloomy

baronderkilt
20-Jun-10, 21:50

There needs to be a

I would start thus:
"gg" ... a Draw
"gg" ... any game that You won
"gg" ... any game that your Opp won

"Well Done" ... any game that your Opp won, and you are British
"Very Well Done" ... an actual gg your Opp won, and you are British

"GG" ... a good game Opp won, & you really mean it
"vgg" ... a really close good game that you lost
"VGG" ... a really close good game, and you Won!

"gg, I am giving up Chess now" (So you were losing the whole game until I: fell for your mate-in-one trap / dropped my Queen to "Takes" / had my laser mouse jiggle 3 squares off and leave my Rook in front of TWO pawn captures; and now if you saw my face you would think I just had 4 teeth pulled; and I would rather That than ever see this game again; but I am trying to be a good sport ... even tho I Am Quitting Chess Forever ... Again )

I may need to revise some. Suggestions welcome

tactical_abyss
20-Jun-10, 22:25

I never expect any courtesys in any blitz room and I play on several high profile blitz sites.
Infact,if I were to say "gg"after I beat someone bloody in a game(after one of my famous Queen sacs),some players actually feel insulted!Its not a "gg"to them!So based upon my win ratio,I best not write much!
I mostly have my chat off when I play blitz,so most of the time you won't get a comment from me.This is not being discourteous but simply using an option provided by GK for obvious reasons!A few days ago,however,I saced either a queen or major piece in the opening and played this same opponent 4 times,I won 3 out of 4 games.On the 4th game,my opponent finally figured out the proper strategy to effectively combat my sac game and defeated me.
I reconnected the chat and then did the "GG"thing!GG for him,not me,but I felt compelled that he finally learned something!
All in all however,many players are not intentionally being "discourteous".They simply are in a blitz "fix"mood and want to jump from one game to the next as quickly as possible...without taking the time to say "gg".This happens alot,especially with players rushing their blitz fix games at a 30 minute lunch break at work.Is this actually being discourteous?Not to me it isn't,but as Patrick Swayze says in the movie Road House...."opinions vary".One of my favorite movies,by the way!

tactical_abyss
20-Jun-10, 22:42

Let me add to the above....same with "disconnects" when they are losing.Is this bad sportsmanship?Yes,to some,no to others.Depends upon how you look at the scenario.I envision a player walking quickly(especially in a 3 minute game)from one player to the next,or one "table"to the next and wanting to play a large # of players in a brief amt of time.So if they feel compelled to disconnect(walk away from th game and say nothing)and go to the next player like lightning...well,so be it!Its their right and option to do so.In a rated blitz game,the disconnect and reward of points will overshadow any chat anyway...so one should simply say to themselves...."who cares"?Heated up emotional blitz play is NOT the "social hour"to many opponents.Some of my blitz opponents,for example,prefer to say nothing during or immediately after the game,but message me later about the game.In a sense,if you really think about it...this is more appropriate than expecting any comments during the game.
But again,its that "Patrick Swayze thing!

black_cat_hamlet
21-Jun-10, 05:07

There's a simple test to this one...

At the start of the game, say 'good luck'

-If your opponent says 'good luck' back, then say 'good game' afterwards [or, as I'd say, Well Done ]
-If your opponent says nothing, then there's no need for you to say anything
-If your opponent tells you to f**k off, then proceed to beat the living chessic crap out of him/her!

It does feel awkward though when you say 'good game' after you completely destroyed your opponent...lol

tactical_abyss
21-Jun-10, 06:26

Reality....

In all truthfulness,any comments,before or during a blitz game many times boils down to the time setting in that game.If a game is 3 minutes with zero increment(or 1 or 2 minutes like on other blitz sites with zero increment),even a split second clicking on a message whether pretyped or not,can actually cost you the game!It may cost 2 or 3 seconds to type in "good luck" or a second if it is pretyped...but by the time your clock is ticking down to that last second,it is that actual +1 to +3 seconds that you used to type a few letters that may cause YOU to time-out!
Alot of average or novice blitz players do not even realize this.So,in reality,not typing or clicking on anything external to the actual piece dragging has distinct advantages.Of course,this is all dependent upon how serious you want to win.Many professionally "seasoned" blitz players have all kinds of tactics and tricks to win,and NOT even saying "GG" or "good luck"is one of them!This may seem inappropriate to some,especially since it is not yet a rated blitz site(atleast not now),but trust me,in rated blitz,many times there is a much more "serious"warlike tone to the game,and alot more opponents will NOT type anything before the game or during the game,while the clock is ticking.This is VERY common,especially in 1 to 2 minute games(with zero increment) where one has barely enough time to breathe,let alone move!

Now in blitz games that are,for example 10 minutes or even 5 minutes with or without increment,now there is more time to think,play and even make various comments during the game.So,I feel that typing letters or making comments is directly proportional to the time duration of the blitz game...and this will automatically increase depending upon the increased time controls.Typing in any messages after the game is over is best,but again as I stated above,don't expect this all the time.Disconnects are also common,so expect this as well.I don't let opponent disconnects ever bother me...i've become "numb"to it.If you ask many opponents,they will simply say that they were disconnected from the internet anyway(truthful or not),so you really can't prove otherwise most of the time.

When I play blitz on GK its usually the shortest time control...3 minutes with zero increment.
So,right at the picosecond my opponent appears,my move is made....without a "good luck"!
Oddly enough,if I play a 10 minute game(rare,but occassionally)I will make all kinds of attempted conversations including all the usual courtesies of...GG,GL ect ect.Some of my lengthy typing intentionally(or not) throws my opponents thoughts away from the game,since he takes the time to read the sentence I typed and it "delays"his next move!So am I being courteous?Ha,no.
2 weeks ago I played a 10 minute game,gave all kinds of advice during the game and my opponent typed back.I only had 30 seconds left in the game and my opponent had 3 minutes left!So,he thought he had me with an upcoming time-out with all my "chatter".When I reached 15 seconds I typed....by the way,mate in 4! He then disconnected.............
Did I feel robbed?Absoutely not!Infact,I found it quite humorous!

rookie879
21-Jun-10, 11:21

It's not just blitz

I've had people tell me to f**k off in correspondence too! I've also had many excuses for them to have lost the game thrown at me too

baronderkilt
21-Jun-10, 12:36

x-machine , YES ...

it IS awkward~! So I have a different approach in that case:

1. For high or intermediate players: A)A single game; There is always the option to say nothing, or simply T/Y for the game [or if that sounds too much like "TY for Giving Me the game", then T/Y for playing.] (B) a match or several games; Thx for playing, sry U've had an off-day ... if it was actually blundersome. Yet again, Nothing sometimes goes best. Or T/Y next ones yours.
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2. For lower rated, several other tacts: A) Several games: Helpful advice such as "Your game became difficult when you brought out your Queen so early, I got a target." True & it also holds an implication that but for that strategy they were in the game, and can be in the next one by avoiding that. True but gentle advice. ... You got behind early, but this is my specialty opening [Eg. Scotch/Goring Gambit or Dragon Siclian]

(B) 1 or more games & they may be feeling low about it, I like to offer some complimentary truth of the matter [assuming I can find some ... but have not failed yet to find Some good point/s~! It is always true; I never make it up. ] }8-D ... Such as:
You play/ed a strong middle-game ... Your endgame is good ... You chose an interesting variation. The thing is, I never B.S. them.

REgards, }8-D
BTW, Ye Are All Doomed when I get my Secret Weapon perfected . . . H m m m m (LOL)

tactical_abyss
21-Jun-10, 13:42

Rookie879,
If someone tells you those nasty things in corresp.play,you can easily get them in hot water...and I highly suggest it.When that happens,especially in your messenging center,you have that on record and it breaks the GK rules,so you can report the player and have his messaging privileges and/or their game play suspended.GK can easily investigate and confirm the facts.
If it happens in the game board and your opponent dosen't immediately erase it,the same applys.You might even be able to copy and paste the remarks.
If bad language behavior happens in the blitz room,copy the board game#if possible and/or exactly what was said and the exact time.GK has ways of searching and finding out.I have successfully accomplished punishing opponents in the past...so can you.

rookie879
21-Jun-10, 15:48

tactical-abyss

It was a while ago.I don't care about it because it hasn't been recently. Plus,Every time I win or lose I say gg,so some people get angry when a 14 year old crushes them and then says good game

black_cat_hamlet
22-Jun-10, 02:55

you know what?

I don't really notice an age difference when I'm online... It doesn't seem to matter that much.

Good chess playing doesn't seem to relate to the age of the person to me - there are good 50 year old players and not-so-good 50 year old players... good 14 year old players and not-so-good 14 year old players...

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