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artpost
31-Jul-10, 02:40

Postponement Rules spoil games and interfere with my real life
I have played on Gameknot for a two or three years and enjoy the site but I find the postponement rules
maddening and draconian. I have just had a heavy week at work and funnily enough, correspondence chess
has
not been at the fore front of my mind and now I find that most of my games have been timed out.
Unsatisfactory
for all and entirely takes the fun out of it for me. My auto postponement feature is disabled for months
because it
triggered once this year so that's that. There seems no room for negotiation with players who might have
been
enjoying a game that has now just stopped or anything like that. It completely gets in the way of the fun of
the
thing for me and gives the impression that the thing is somewhat anally retentive on this point. There is
mention
of the Fischer time score on this site but that isn't being used is it? Otherwise, as a generally quick and
conscientious player then I would have built up a time bank wouldn't I? Look at Facebook scrabble; you have
the choice to time someone out if they go over the time limit. It isn't automatic.

As the choice seems to be to give up my job or give up the account I am afraid my subscription renewal is in
serious doubt.

Yours Paul
kingdawar
31-Jul-10, 03:35

You have 120 postponement days per year. Use them
tugger
31-Jul-10, 12:53

"Look at Facebook scrabble; you have
the choice to time someone out if they go over the time limit. It isn't automatic. "

I happen to sympathise with this point. It wouldn't be a bad thing if a player was given a choice as to whether they want the time out win or to give the opponent more time, perhaps two days. I don't want timeout victories, I'd rather be able to continue the game if possible, even if I'm losing. I can happily punish players who continually run out of time, but I'd give everyone at least one extension.

But, bottom line, I can't argue with HK's comment. Use your postponement if you want a break, that's what it's there for.

There are issues I have with the PP rules though. I'm currently on a 30-day break as I've just moved into the country. I'll be active again next week, but I won't be able to PP my games now for 30 days, as per the rules. What if I want a break in this time? This rule annoys me, I should be able to use my vacation time as I see fit. What if I need a 40-day break? I can't. I certainly think there are issues with the current rules.
markb56
31-Jul-10, 12:57

If a game against an opponent was getting interesting, I've been known to use some of my "120 postponement days" just to keep the game going and spare an opponent from timing-out. I realize that life sometimes happens and that not everyone is as diligent as I am at checking their chess games 30 or more times a day.

Since artpost is a paying member he gets up to 3 automatic postponements a year. But since GK keeps SECRET the information whether one's automatic postponement is available, it isn't much comfort.
baronderkilt
31-Jul-10, 14:06

Is there
not still the option to ask for reinstatement of a game that timed out? If opp agrees. I know the site used to do that. There is Allegro type time control, but true it does put a top limit on how much time can be accumulated I believe. So it is not open ended, or I have not seen it used that way perhaps.
myrydin
01-Aug-10, 02:26

Well I hope that GK will resist any pressure to instigate a 'claim time out' function. If somebody times out, it should not put the innocent party (the opponent) in even a slightly awkward position. I think things are fine the way they are.
princevlad
01-Aug-10, 09:40

Time outs
I prefer time out rules as they are. People have plenty of time to make their moves already.

I couldn't agree more, however, on the excessive postponement days. I posted about this same thing myself last year. As I recall, almost everyone who responded disagreed with me. I can't imagine why anybody would need 120 postponement days in a year. It leads to what seems to me like rampant abuse.
georgesdimitrov
01-Aug-10, 11:46

I totally agree timeouts should be automatic. Making them on a claim basis is opening the door for infinite trouble about sportsmanship issues and this forum will be flooded with "My opponent timed me out after I went only 5 min/2 hours/1 day overtime, what a %*&$# loser, this is unfair, people don't know how to behave..." type of rant. As myrydin said, there's no way you should make the opponent feel even slightly guilty of winning the game.

Rules are rules and time management is an essential part of competitive chess, be it CC or OTB. You just have to plan ahead with postponements, I've been caught a few times to timeout myself : well, my bad. (Yes, accidents and so on happen, it's exceptional and that's what the automatic postponement is for if you don't use it for just normal circumstances).

G.
artpost
02-Aug-10, 07:55

My Bad, as they say
Thanks for the comments. On the whole, and most of the time, I would agree that the automatic system is the
way it should be and, most of the time, I abide conscientiously. And yes, that is the point of slightly competitive
chess. I guess my problem is with the inflexibility of the system which is more to do with Game Knot than chess.

I go away for the weekend and postpone for a few days. I then have an unexpectedly heavy week at work and I
can't postpone because I have postponed once already this month (or whatever the rule is). My auto postpone
doesn't fire off because that has been used once this century (or whatever the rule is) and bingo, nearly all of my
games time out and my rating goes back to double figures. That seems to be about an inflexibility in the system
designed by Game Knot rather than chess. Why does it have to be inflexible to prevent 'abuse'? Aren't we all
playing together? How much 'abuse' goes on? If the rules are too lax then we all start taking the mickey, is that
it?
maca
02-Aug-10, 10:12

Abuse of game postponements...
As far as I've heard people complaining, it's a frequently used method to stall games. It's just some individuals, but it sounds like there are a lot of those people.


Regards,
MaCa.
lighttotheright
02-Aug-10, 19:31

Maybe abusing the postponement system is a lot of extra work. Maybe those that do it will get tired and eventually stop.

Either way, I don't worry about it. I just play.