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black_cat_hamlet
06-Nov-10, 08:11

Chess Etiquette....

It's harder than it seems!

If your opponent makes a mistake in one of his games, and he comments on that mistake... what do you do? Stay silent? Say 'bad luck'? Say 'I hate that when that happens to me'? Say 'You &*(^ suck you &(&*^* n00b?'

I've tried [almost ] all of these responses, but I always feel guilty in a strange way when that happens, even if I like the rating boost it usually brings lol... especially if it ends up being a high-ranked player like Freddy (that's never happened... am I or about that? I dunno... sorry, I'm just rambling )

bhidragon
06-Nov-10, 12:10

Respond with Something

I usually go with the "Hate it when that happens" type of response.

easy19
06-Nov-10, 13:20

I have encountered such a thing several times.

and depending on who i am playing and how good the game is i would offer a draw.
( a good game doesn't always needs a winner )

but the more usual response i would make, is analyzing the how and why the mistake is made and how it can be avoided.

But a other thing is that here on GK i play a lot of players below 1900 and most mistakes i make are containable and the mistakes my opponents make are usually the end. and that is not as bad as the other way around.

tactical_abyss
06-Nov-10, 14:39

Alot of players make the probable "blunder"as usually occurs in blitz or missing that check and tactical combo afterwords.But many blitz players realize their "mistake" but not exactly what they should have moved instead... 3 moves prior.Many times I will point out to them exactly what they should have done differently and what they should have moved,to avoid that mistake or what they should have done to make a "better"move.
The usual response is..."Oh,I see now!"
Overall,however,in 3 minute blitz with zero increment,(which is what I play 95% of the time),I do not usually make many chat efforts,nor does my opponents.5 or 10 minute blitz with incremental seconds...well,thats a dfferent story,I suppose.More time to chat during and after.Alot of 1,2,3 and 4 minute players simply want to move from game to game,win or lose without saying a word,and without even caring where they went wrong!

myrydin
06-Nov-10, 14:43

What works for me...

If the comment is made in a jokey way, reply in kind with a hefty dollop of self-deprecation. If s/he seems upset with him/herself, a ‘happens to the best of us / I do it all the time too’ sort of comment will do.

rich_sposato
06-Nov-10, 15:54

I often say something like, "Yeah, I've made mistakes like that too. We've all been there and done that."

ionadowman
07-Nov-10, 00:13

If I recognise a blunder I've made...

... I will quite often comment on it to my opponent - especially if I recognise it before the reply comes in. I've had a couple of slips of the mouse recently (a sort of non-chessic blunder), and I completely ruined what promised to be a riveting encounter (for me) against cairo by setting the postion up wrong on my chessboard (more accurately, forgetting after some woodshifting to put my King back on its proper square, and analyzing the new position oblivious to the change).

I felt really bad about it at several levels - a really dumbass mistake (I've done it before, and will again, can't seem to eliminate completely), ruining a sharp and iinteresting looking game (for which I felt grateful to my opponent for the sporting gesture), and for that parenthetical reason I felt I owed him an apology.

We're not asking anyone to do anything about it; and a consoling remark such as that of rich_sposato, though welcome, is not essential. In this instance, there had been some comments between cairo and me earlier in the game, and as it transpired he pointed out the unsoundness of the blunder I had played (though, tactfully, merely expressing some doubt about it). At once I realised why I had made the move and why it didn't work. Pity I hadn't noticed in time my King wasn't where I had thought it to be.

I played on to the quick mate - my attempt to reciprocate his courtesy.

tactical_abyss
07-Nov-10, 02:45

Everyone should have a good mouse for blitz play.As I mentioned in another string relative to blitz play,I feel that some models do a better job than others.More bells,whistles or wireless mouses sometimes will give problems.Some designs while more ergonomic,are not weighted enough or the quieter,softer, non independent click mouse designs are great for surfing the web or GK but not necessarily playing professional blitz.Overshoots,undershoots,slightly more erratic movement under high speed slide conditions can occur with the smaller,lighter designs and lose games,especially in 3 to 5 minute times.More expensive is not necessarily better.

This cheap memorex below(model memtek 32022382 400 Dpi PS2) for around 10 dollars US I use for 1 to 5 minute blitz,when i'm not using my custom built one.I suggest some players give the Memorex mouse a try!
I also have my own custom designed mouse,but you can't have that one!Thats my secret edge over you!

I only thought i'd bring up some basic equipment issues,since misplacing pieces,dropping on the wrong squares,undershooting the square in fast play is many times not your hand,but your mouse!I mean,how many times have you or your opponent in the blitz messaging area typed.....( four letter swear word).....mouse!

TA

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baronderkilt
07-Nov-10, 12:10

My Mouse is STUPID !

}8-(

tugger
10-Nov-10, 11:48

If I make a bad mistake, I won't comment on it unless it's in the form of a resignation note. If it's not a serious mistake, then I keep quiet and hope he doesn't notice.

I like the phrase "Happens to the best of us", I just like the arrogant touch about it. It's like saying "Hey I'm better than you and I make mistake too, chin up."

tactical_abyss
10-Nov-10, 17:24

I think any and all blitz remarks with chess mistakes and blunders are directy proportional to the amount of time the blitz clock is set to.I think that most of you guys are NOT playing 3 minutes with zero increment.Pehaps 3 min with 5 or 10 seconds or 5 minute or 10 minute games with perhaps incremental time controls.Most opponents I have encountered over the past 10+years playing online rarely make any comments in either 1,2,3 or 4 minute blitz,especially with zero increment.There simply is no time to make a comment,especially since the mistake dosen't mean its the end of the game yet and one must concentrate to try for a comeback or possibly a draw.And as to making comments after the game is over...yes,sometimes,but in my experience usually perhaps only 1 player out of 40 really even desire to make any comments bad or good(that is about their personal play).Most of my 4 min or less players simply desire to go on to their NEXT game,almost like its a drug fix!They have no desire to say anything and are thinking that they will just win against the next player to make up the loss they just had.
Now,when GK only had 10 minute blitz a while back,the comments flowed like the amazon river!
Just an observation of mine relative to any comments vs time controls!Interesting.

Now,I exclude however,those perpetual comments made by those bad "a" players who have no etiquette whatsoever,as we all know of.

tactical_abyss
10-Nov-10, 17:33

Deleted by tactical_abyss on 10-Nov-10, 17:33.

tactical_abyss
10-Nov-10, 17:37

Note to my post above:
Perhaps you guys are just chatting about long corresp games,but I thought i'd interject some things about blitz game commenting over blunders and mistakes too.

tactical_abyss
10-Nov-10, 17:52

But I will also add...(yes one more comment!).....
I think out of the 100+long corresp games i have played here on GK,I have had only 1 player try to make any comment about their mistake,nor have I said anything back to them!Perhaps in the senior master arena,we all know where we went wrong after the error and figure that the 2300-2400 opponent also knows automatically,so there really is NO logic in saying anything!

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