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nathanman22 10-Feb-11, 12:43 |
 best players on gameknot. . .lets debate. And other amazing gameknot stats |
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number of games he is playing right now are incredible - plus he doesn't suffer many losses! Also, look at the tournament awards he has! Also, there's cheeky_knight with the amount of games she's playing! And then there's Freddy A.K.A The Master Mater... just 'cos I think that's an awesome nickname! Finally, for best annotations, marinvukusic [though I'm not sure if he's still around] with ionadowman a close second! That's all I can think of right now.... |
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He also plays LESS games than others like Cyrano.To me,this shows a player that really prefers a qualitative game over a quantitative game.Nothing against cyrano,but his average opponent rating is much less...around 2061.So yes,if you play over 180 games more than rodog and gain smaller fractional rating point wins against much lesser rated opponents,you can eventually add the smaller rating pebbles up.But the larger single point wins with stronger opponents seem to come from rodog,and that tells me alot.I believe that I would fear rodog more than cyrano! |
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I can solve puzzles also, but he is not from this world |
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And I do not join any tourneys and my puzzle days have been over for years.Sad. Perhaps one day i'll simply play 100,1900-2000-2100 rated players at one time beat them all for a point or more apiece,(or fraction of a point?),then another 100,2000-2100 rated players and beat them all,or nearly all....and then go to the top of the rating charts!Hmmm...where did I hear that before? No,no,I would feel bad doing that!In America its called..."stealing candy from a baby"! I'll drop down to 2200 again before I do that strategy!I haven't played a rated game against a 1900-2000 rated player practically since I started here on GK,maybe I never will?! I almost made it into the top 10 a few months ago...now I need a telescope to see the edge of 10th place.Oh well! |
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nathanman22 11-Feb-11, 05:06 |
Response to tactical |
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Heinzkat... Interesting debate with cyrano and rodog, by the way... all I know is that both of them could play circles around me lol |
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I understand nathan,but... You must read alittle more carefully.I am not attacking cyrano,just stating a fact.It dosen't matter if he chooses his games or games are chosen for him or if its 100% tourneys.The BOTTOM LINE is that his average opponent ratings are around 2061.One can pick up whatever tourneys they want and decline tourneys if they so choose.Borrissp,for example seems to enter mini tourneys with much higher rated opponents as well.Cyrano can also choose to play BY CHOICE, HIGHER rated opponents as well IF,I repeat IF he wants to choose...but does not for the most part.Again,this tells me something...So again,this string started out as a debate and an opinion for anyone..... And my opinion,based upon everything,including choosing opponents for greater challenge strength,would be as I said....rodog with average opponent ratings of 2463.I also consider him just a bit higher in strength/ratio play than Borrissp...but they are very close with many of the stats.Trickle points may not be done on purpose,yes I agree,BUT it is being done whether it be by choice or not.And in true reality,one cannot prove or disprove,shall we say...certain realities.My opinion is simply that any player that SENDS OUT CHALLENGES or ACCEPTS much more HIGHER rated opponents,is simply showing that they have been playing on a higher strength plateau level with a greater degree of risk than other players.Cyrano is just one who's ave opponent ratings are lower.So i'm not accusing actually or attacking...just stating a cold hard fact.One does have choices on GK of how and whom they want to play,atleast outside of a tourney or atleast pick certain tourneys with a group of particular rated opponents.How they pick,whether randomly or not will then give a mathematical outcome with a rating formula in the end.And in reality,like it or not,I would find it much easier to win against a 2050 player than a big string of 2300-2400 players,like I play for the most part or rodog seems to get more involved with either by tourney or choice,or whatever. I simply base my "judgement"on this fact,not how well cyrano has done in winning a thousand tourneys or if he has a billion medals,or if someone was a forum chat king or supreme puzzle solver. Take care, TA |
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Let me add that my "opinion"and judgement for who is truly a better player is not only based upon opponent rating strength,but amount of games being played for quality vs quantity play.If you take a look at borrissip or rodog,they are only playing a tiny handful of games and usually with stronger opponents.My judgement if you ask(and you did based upon your string)is that a player who plays and schedules only a small handful of games and wins most of those games,whether by tourney or personal selection and those players are not 2000 rated but 2300-2400 rated,gets more "stars"with my "better"player judgement!And then that player is proving more to me than a player that plays 200 games at one time and draws more or even wins more but with 1900-2000-2100 players. So what I am saying is that I am NOT ever impressed by quantity of games played but by tiny quantities of games played with stronger opponents on a higher "qualitative"level of play. In other words....if I beat cyrano,rodog or borissp just one time,thats worth more to me than winning against two hundred 1900 or 2000 rated players. I rest my case.... |
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nathanman22 11-Feb-11, 10:44 |
Sorry about my wording |
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nathanman22 11-Feb-11, 10:48 |
Cyrano |
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Only 185 games for borissp to reach 2632 and only 429 games by rodog to reach 2587.Cyrano has played over 3,300 games to reach that general rating arena. Now,if you are basing your judgements on the way he helps others,educates some players and offers many of the lesser rated opponent a chance to play him with a higher degree of game risks(rating loss if he loses)....yes,I agree with you!His character traits reign supreme to the others that are at the top!and in that case,my hat is off to him! I was simply approaching him from another direction. |
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They are the 2 players on GK who talk a lot on the forums, and usually in such a way that i have to read it 10 times before i figure out what they mean.. There talk is like a 5 star chess puzzle to me.. And then a few observations.. Baronderkilt is definitely not a Red baron because his pieces move like a snail in a treadmill Tactical tactic is not to play tactical but just orthodox strategical. and he moves so fast that wen i move one piece he moves 3 pieces at once if i do not stay focused |
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I move so fast that it looks like my hands did not move!Opponents have many times asked what was that you moved,the Knight or the Bishop?all this while their clock runs down closer to zero!Ever try to count the # of fan blades in a moving fan on ultra fast speed?I have placed a small piece of sandpaper on my clock button so my finger dosen't slip off and I know I punched it! TA |
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nathanman22 11-Feb-11, 12:33 |
question |
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Lol... I'm not saying that's a bad thing - it just makes those two the most analytical of us all! I wonder what cyrano and rodog would think of this thread, by the way... |
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But after al that talk i get thirsty -- So free whiskey and carrots on the house And i just looked at the annotations so that brings me to Jstevens1 who has annotated over 334 games in here own original style that is almost 75% of all here games played. |
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fmgaijin 11-Feb-11, 14:37 |
Take a Look . . . That should give you something concrete to discuss. FM Gaijin |
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All time records of the top 4 against one another Borissp vs. Cyrano yielded 2 draws Borissp vs. rodog has two wins for borissp and 4 draws borissp vs. high (second ranked player as of my writing this) 2 draws Cyrano vs. rodog yielded one loss for Cyrano and 5 draws Cyrano vs. high yields two wins, four losses for Cyrano and 9 draws rodog vs. high yields one win for rodog and one draw I leave how much head-to-head matters for your discussion. high has the most (four) wins against the top four, but all those came against cyrano. He also has three losses against the top four in nineteen games. Borissp has no losses against the top four, but only two wins in 10 games Cyrano has two wins against the top four (all against high) and five losses in 23 games. rodog has two in both the win and loss column in 14 games. Based on these results alone, I would rank them 1. borissp 2. rodog 3. high 4. cyrano |
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But seriously,i'm just glad to be #4 in the United States overall rating chart,thats not bad,considering there are 22,559 USA players on GK playing or registered with the site last time I checked.And this site is a US site is it not? Sccadams....I agree with your accessment.Borissp and rodog are neck and neck though. As to me writing alot in the forums,actually....freddy,baron,x-machine,nathan and a few others I believe have much more posts than me.But I probably hold more of a record for the AMOUNT of words I write in one response,as opposed to a few short sentences others type in.Mine,is usually more of a "response"than actually initiating a post as nearly as much as Baron and others,however!And don't forget,alot of these guys have lengthy annotations and more.I have zero of those!(Except a lengthy comment about some weak sodium game or something in the forums.)Less important stuff that no one really takes serious anyway! |
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nathanman22 11-Feb-11, 18:12 |
i.don't know tactical |
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As to all this "top gun"stuff,the bottom line is really about best rating,isn't it?A top player may have more wins against another top player,but in the end,what counts is that final number that shines above the rest of the players... after all the dust settles. |
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@Nathan Now, one reason my analysis is problematic is that the sample sizes are so small. Some of the match-ups were as few as two games, which really gives very little idea on how players stack up against one another. After all, there is a reason the World Championship in chess is 12 games long. Really, only High and Cyrano have played each other at more than 6 games, so maybe head-to-head is not the best metric in this case. |
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Link to top players table Rodog has the best score against the top 40, but Borrisp has a better score per game. So I guess this may be one of those things that is very hard to definitively say, which makes the debate much more fun! |
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For example,which opponent had more loss's against weaker opponents?Maybe Rodog did,maybe not,I did not check.This means more to me personally than other type of stats. So,for example,if Rodog had loss's against players 200 points below his rating and Borissp had only loss's against players approx his rating or above,then my vote might switch to Borissp. All I know is that I played Borissp and had a drawn game with him.That satisfies me! I'd love to play my specialized pet opening one day against Borissp or Rodog.My Trompowski Attack which moves out of book quickly has defeated many a master or senior master.I have a few Tromp's on this site,but most of them are in the USCF records. |
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No serious debate about great GK personalities..... |
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My vote is for tactical_abyss. Why? ...because you (tactical) actually spend the time talking to us and giving good advice. That makes all the difference in my book. |
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makes all the difference in my book." Too right! I've just realised that we haven't talked about teams on here yet... right now, 'Russian Time' is on top of the league table, but there's also special mention to "The Press Gang" who is third on the table and has the smallest number of players (2) |
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