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 New "tabbed" Moves / Chat / NotesThe main complaint about the old layout was that chat comments were often missed, especially by people with smaller monitors, because the chat was below the chess board. And also that any lengthy notes were starting to push the chess board down, often moving it off-screen on smaller monitors. Which was the main motivation for the new "tabbed" layout, which solves both of the issues. The main complaint now is that you cannot see moves, and chat, and notes at the same time any more (although it was also impossible or difficult to see all 3 at the same time before, on smaller screens). We were of course aware of that, but I guess we didn't expect how often people need to see all 3 (or any 2) of those at the same time. The good news is, you can click on the little icon in the upper right corner of the "Notes" tab that detaches it into its own separate window, which can be moved anywhere on the screen (by dragging it by the title bar, just like regular windows). We are currently working on making the website remember your preference, so that you don't have to click on that icon every time. And also you'll be able to detach any of the other tabs as well, and position them anywhere on the page. Comments? Suggestions? |
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I like it! But then again, is there an option to revert back to the original layout if people prefer it that way? |
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Impossible We ( gameknot members) are asking you for something that is clearly possible. Likely much easier than fabricating a "we haven't reached that state of technology" statement. You guys are so funny. Keep the current changes for sure. Some people like it. But give the rest of us $$$$'$ the old option, too. ed_norton & Monkey Wrench |
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perdurabo 24-Feb-11, 19:28 |
Alright, that sounds like a good idea. I don't necessarily need to see chat at the same time, but moves list & notes is a must for me! As for the chat, I would prefer it, if the chat box could be a bit larger, but that's not really important. Well, I guess changes are necessary every now and then, but I liked the site layout the way it was and I'm not the kind of person who likes to have to get used to new things often. If something is good the way it is, I prefer not to change it. But that's just my opinion. Generally the site is great. The best on the web for playing cc that I have found. As has been stated before, the changes are rather a step back than an improvement. |
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garos 24-Feb-11, 20:35 |
perdurabo important.' Click and hold on the two angled lines at the bottom right corner, and you can drag the chat box to any size you like. |
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pbednaruk 25-Feb-11, 05:04 |
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eloq 25-Feb-11, 05:45 |
The new way reminds me a homepage where you had to click to go to different pages for address, price and opening times, each having just 2-3 lines... simpler is to have all that information in one page. Actually the problem with smart phone is that only the first moves 1-10 are shown, not the last ones (using Opera Mini). I vote for putting notes box back there where it was earlier. Or have that as a default option in settings and those who have asked the change, can go to settings and have a new way with tabs. |
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I'm no computer expert,but just an idea.I'm not playing any games now,so I haven't had a chance to check things out,but i'm sure my big monitor will have no problems with these size problems. Of course my suggestions about other things,if "implemented" might make things worse now. Besides the separate conditional move box,I wanted to see the conditional move string that I made placed below the board.This way you can see the activity of a long move string being chewed up by the opponent as he moved through the string,still showing each move but "unhighlighted"as the move was accepted.And this way,you do not have to keep reverting back to the separate conditional board to see the actual live progress.Its my understanding that GK had this feature years ago,but discontinued it for some reason. |
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I just discovered that i can now see my past games with a person with a click of the button i am very happy with that.. no more scrolling true al my games to find them. thnx GK |
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moves / conversation / notes Change is B A D This really takes pleasure away from the gameknot gaming experience. So much so that I am re-thinking paying to renew a premium membership. And that is because I think about my moves, I ponder them, and like to preserve my thoughts, the ideas behind moves and plans of attack. So I need to SEE both my notes AND the moves of the game at the same time. I LOVE change, change can be useful -- but after all 9 out of 10 mutations are harmful -- and this one is harmful, destructive. Bad is what destroys, good is what creates -- this change is BAD. 2 good, creative changes would have been for GameKnot to: 1) DEVOTE more memory space to the "game notes" tab, so that I can store book references to remind me of my thinking from move to move. (Especially over the first 15 moves of a game, but also for recording the audacious impetuosituies behind positional sacrifices, the gut-feel for the game, those times it is positional evaluation that counts, not combinational variations) 2) PRESERVE "game notes" once the game ends, so that all these ideas (the rationale behind the moves) are not forever lost. |
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You can now click on the icon in the tab header to detach the current tab into its own window. Which can then be positioned anywhere on the page (by dragging it with your mouse by the title bar), and resized to pretty much any size (by dragging the bottom right corner with your mouse). Also, you can now "pin" the list of moves tab, so that it is always displayed regardless of any new chat messages or game notes (by clicking on the pin icon in the upper right corner of the tab). As always, your comments, suggestions, criticism is always appreciated. |
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maneuverability of tabs into simultaneous windows "You can now click on the icon in the tab header to detach the current tab into its own window. Which can then be positioned anywhere on the page. . . , and resized to pretty much any size. . . . Also, you can now "pin" the list of moves tab, so that it is always displayed regardless of any new chat messages or game notes. . . . " Thank you. |
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GK breaks my heart :-( But what breaks my heart is this: I put a lot of work into my games notes, perhaps even more than some annotations I've seen. Yes, I could use the annotate feature, but I like having my notes "in the raw" where months later I can review my games and look at my raw notes off to the side -- or so I thought . GK's comments that game notes are saved for only 90 days made me go back and check my previous games, and yep, all that hard work in my games notes is gone. I don't understand how storing games notes for longer than 90 days (at least for paying members) is any more difficult than storing annotations!? As a work around, I just went back to all my games that still had games notes and pasted them into the very first window of the "annotate game". But I would much rather that my games note remain in the NOTES window forever, PLEASE! I'm not angry, I'm just sad about the work I've lost. |
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shamash 27-Feb-11, 01:23 |
Deleted by shamash on 27-Feb-11, 01:29.
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The permanence of ideas. |
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Obviously the comment by GK that the notes window was meant for very short, impermanent notes indicates how GK perceived the use of this window and how he would make use of it. But the method that I prefer for retaining information doesn't match GK's notion. I don't see why I can't keep private notes forever while annotations are allowed to be kept forever. Makes no sense to me. |
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Can we please get back to the topic of this thread (i.e. the new tabbed moves/chat/notes)? Anything that we can improve further? General comments? Suggestions? |
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perdurabo 27-Feb-11, 10:30 |
Thank you very much indeed! This is a great improvement. The site remembering my preferred positioning of notes and moves list and chat window and their size; that's just perfect! |
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Seeing RED It is now the same here at GameKnot on the games page: how about a different colour than the distracting RED of your bright red push-pin, bright red notes dot, and bright red (#). Okay? (Or at least offer us the option to change the colour of that distracting RED. |
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Doesn't work |
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kwr1 01-Mar-11, 14:14 |
Deleted by kwr1 on 02-Mar-11, 12:28.
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