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 Postponed Games
I appeal to Gameknot to bring it to a halt. In today's world, if you need vacation time, just access the Internet remotely and move.
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nathanman22
12-Mar-11, 08:44
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Disagreed
We are playing correspondence chess and the nature of the game is taking your time to make the best moves. Furthermore, not everyone has remote log in and if you are lying in a hospital bed or if you are in a place where there is no computer, this is impossible. It is necessary for people to have some time for vacations.
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As it's possible to play much faster on the internet, people may sometimes forget that this is indeed correspondence chess and not blitz. There is a blitz section available via the 'start a new game' link, if that is your cup of tea.
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In your timed-out games, you should've taken a postponement instead. They wouldn't have timed out. That's the concept.
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Agreed on the (slight) annoyance of postponements abuse.
Disagreed on everything else.
The tournaments you are talking about are OTB, and are played real time, so that's not really a logical comparison... this is correspondence or turn-based chess, and vacations/postponements are, and always have been, part of this game branch.
Note that vacation does not only mean "I can't access my home PC", but also "I don't wanna play chess for months and months without a break!"... having or not a remote connection isn't really the point here.
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fullyaddicted's opponent has made 36 moves in 72 days. That's like speed chess according to my book.
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outriderr1
11-Apr-11, 05:38
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postponement and vacation
I was im the 63rd gameknot tournament doing very well winning alll prior 5 rounds until this giy i was winning both games very easily he never moved and postponed but was playing all his other games but mine like 20 games but wouldnt move on our tourny game until the very last hour and kept it up I wrote him and said this isnt cool thats why these go on for years you lost your qween in one the other your losing please move i didnt even want to play after that thats wrong and cheating and against the rules, lots of morons on here I rarely even play serious cause all the adolescent attitudes, frustrating, and mysteriously after i was nice but asked what in the world was going on all the sudden starts playing like a super computerr not a wrong move ato end uop winning, funny never beat anyone close to what i was rated he was 1200, losers and too many cheats on here
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nathanman22
11-Apr-11, 06:19
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thats unfortunate
im sorry to hear about your predicament mark. I would just play my other games and calmly wait him out. He may be seeking a psychological advantage. Eventually you are going to win if the games are as won as you claim. Remember though that a loss of a queen doesnt mean a definite win....he may still think he has a chance. Whatever the case...just move when he does and finish him off with class.
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outriderr1
It must be noted that your opponent's rating was over 1950 in the summer of 2008. I don't know what he has been doing after that.
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A lesson in chess -- and in gamesmanship
Outrider, one lesson from your game is to develop your Queen's Bishop before your Queen, and certainly before leaving your back rank unattended by Rook or Queen, making your King vulnerable to the King-hunt that then ensued.
Another lesson is to look beyond an opponent's current rating. Here you faced an opponent who at one time had reached the 2000 level but suffered losses from a quarter of his games from timeouts. Now there's an alert to let you know you are facing a player who can make strong moves, if he commits to the game. (And when he does, you will note that he devotes on the average six times as much time to considering a move as you do.)
It must have been a wake-up call for him when you won his queen on the 5th move; and of course disconcerting to you not to rack this one up as a win.
But what you did not win in the tournament, at least claim in the knowledge you gain --by learning the lessons of the events after the 5th move, especially sequences after Black's 13th move and your 18th move.
Best of luck.
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liam1260
03-Jun-11, 04:11
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I am on the wrong end of postponements at the moment, four player group two games have finished (50+ moves made in each game) and we are into the 95% completed of the round. The two games that are completed is by the two quicker players and luckily I won both of them. That is the one thing that is not tearing my hair out, score in group 2 0 0 0 so far.
["Neiderunterpatzersection"]
The slower pair of players (not illegally slow or anything like that) have made 11 moves a piece in both of their games, started first week in April.
Comparison: It is very frustrating for me and early on for the first time I used the vacation button aswell for two weeks at one time, a while after the two completed games had finished. I was on vacation aswell plus had a three-day OTB Tournament ("Don't you understand I was playing Chess!")
I have noticed I slow losing games right down, within the time-control.
Empathy: But I am presuming that the players have a heavy week outside of Gameknot, and are just prioritising and clearing the head for whatever projects and tasks are in front of them. Work, Community or Family (the most difficult). If that comes around routinely in a players life, there is something that can be done. The player can Click the Vacation button for a few days after the event (just in case).
The players utilising the Gameknot facilities are totally within their rights. There is a 'break-in' facility for players who have made moves during their vacation-time.
Priority: maybe some players recognise that Gameknot is not the most vital thing in their lives, and try to force a break with the computer for a little while. If this means clicking One day or Two day vacation every week to make that excuse to stay away, so-be-it.
Some solutions: Use the extra time to find a better plan.
I have used the Conditional Moves regularly, in a huge amount of my games. (But never at the Opening I think that is a bit presumptuous). I have found that my opponent plays the Conditional Moves programmed or alternative moves in the same sitting and the "Your Move" returns to me. So that shows a desire by my opponents to play Chess when they have an opportunity and are sitting in front of a computer. Only time constraints, opportunity or access prevent it.
I am writing in a happy mood because two of the unfinished games now have Conditional forced mate on them so it is just a matter of time to go 4-nil up. Not a won group yet mind.
Off-Topic (but postponement related)
I have question about the length of time left after a Tournament Round reaches 5% completely, how long in time is left for the Round to be completed? about 3 weeks? 3 weeks is what I am budgeting for.
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schlechter
03-Jun-11, 08:00
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silly postponement
I am Schlechter, my opponent is
koengeenen.
His positions is lost since more than a month, I showed him even the clear route to the mate, he postponed our game 3 times by now, in total more than two weeks.
At the moment, it is his move. NO MATTER WHAT HE PLAYS, IT IS MATE IN ONE. I told him this.
He took, as answer, another 5 days out.
I think their should be stricter rules for postponements. They exist in competitive correspondence chess. According to that, he should now get the last warning from the arbiter. But it seems, such rules (and arbiters!) do not exist here...
Schlechter
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schlechter
04-Jun-11, 07:02
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postponement rules again
The people who defend the postponement rules here have never played competitive correspondence chess. There should be vacation, and only vacation, but not 'postponement'.
Furthermore, there should be a limit for vacation in a single game, too. In correspondence chess, it is usually not more than two weeks IN TOTAL.
Schlechter
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nathanman22
04-Jun-11, 08:42
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Question
How do you clarify the difference between vacation and postponement? I have always seen them as the same thing.....here you get a certain amount of vacation days for all your games in a year...there are limits on vacation...just not to your liking.
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schlechter
04-Jun-11, 08:54
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postponement
vacation time is granted for ALL POSSIBLE reasons in correspondence chess. And there is a limit number of days for each game. Here, you have on top of such vacation days, the opportunity to interrupt ('postpone'), and you can do it several times. The games can theoretically become very long.
Schlechter
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For every person complaining that the postponement rules are not strict enough you get twice as many people complaining that they unfairly lost their games on time (because they were not able to postpone, or needed to postpone again, or not enough vacation days, or the automatic emergency postponement didn't cover it, etc. etc.). At this point the postponement rules, which we developed over many years, represent a good balance of the two sides. If you have any suggestions on how we can improve the postponement rules without sacrificing the balance, we'll certainly consider it.
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Solution
Just wait and practice the virtue of patience.
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schlechter
04-Jun-11, 12:09
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postponement rules
ok, I understand. This is a website for fun, at the first place. Therefore the 'mercyful' rules (that might annoy some people like me who are used to more strictness).
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schlechter, glad you are choosing the high road. While it might appear that your opponent is postponing his/her games just to annoy you, very often it is just someone being overwhelmed with work, or studying, or life in general, and not being able to handle the number of games they are playing. And if it is indeed someone trying to annoy you, the worst thing you can do is to get annoyed and angry, because that means they have succeeded. The much better choice is to keep your cool and crush them on the chessboard.
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Patience is a virtue and an advantage....
I prefer opponents to stall and delay and postpone as much as possible!The more the better!
Many of those "type"of opponents over the decades I have discovered that there is an INCREASED probability of them timing-out anyway or something happening that they forget,or have things happen while they are away or other things that pop up in life.I have won countless games with last hour movers....and love it because I have developed "patience"in CC games.The key is that even with a "lost"game from ones opponent and he dosen't resign,then I would find an advantage there somewhere....like having alittle more time now to concentrate on my remaining games,just keeping in mind that my opponent can try and "run"away,but I will get him in the end anyway!Then by him using up more and more of his postponements/vacation ect,he will be at an even more disadvantage in future games for that year if he uses all his time up....very good!
TA
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thereaper1
04-Jun-11, 19:52
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I am playing a game where my opponent is stalling now. I am not concerned because 1. his only legal moves is to march his pawn down except mine will get there first and mate him and 2. his rating seems to be getting higer and higer. The longer he waits the more my rating will go up when I beat him.
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thereaper1...great name!As far as I know,unless things have changed,even if your opponents rating goes up 100 points or any amount for that matter,it will not give you any more rating points for a win.What is used in the final formula for your win is what you and your opponents rating was at the start of the game.So if your at 1409 and your opponent was at say,for example,1450,and your game ends and you win 2 months later with your opponent now at 1800(established),they will go by the rating your opponent had which was 1450....not 1800.So you will gain points for a win based upon your opponents 1450,but no additional rise in points like you beat an 1800 player from the START.
As far as I know,unless someone corrects me,this is the case reaper.
TA
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thereaper1
04-Jun-11, 20:24
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Oh well
Oh well. But even though I don't gain any extra I am still not concerned at all. It is mate in one now and I am going through to the next round with a 6-0 score. But I suspect I am under rated. I think realistically my rating should be in the 1500s somewhere.
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reaper...
I'm not sure about your country or others,but I always remember that in the USA,the "average"chess players rating who has played for a few years was around 1400-1500.
I mean a player who has not undergone any kind of extensive training,tuitoring ect ect.
My rating around your age back in High School was around 1500 or so,I estimate.....and that was good enough to get the first place chess club trophy!I began training with a senior master in 12th grade,however,and my rating began to skyrocket fairly quickly.
So being at 1400-1500 is definitely good!Always aim higher!Once your even 1600...I would consider that ABOVE average!
TA
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thereaper1
04-Jun-11, 21:40
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Thanks
I have been playing for just over a year now and I have not undergone any kind of training. I am hoping my rating will be at about 1600 by the end of the year.
You just made my day TA
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maca
05-Jun-11, 02:05
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Actually, I recall hearing that in GK, the changes in your rating are tabulated based on your opponents rating in the beginning OR in the end of the game, whichever is HIGHER. The same is also true for your opponent, naturally.
So yes thereaper1, it's possible for your opponent to grant you more rating points by stalling, provided that their rating at the end of the game is higher than what it was when the game began.
Regards,
MaCa.
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I agree with TA, I love it when players (allegedly) drag out a lost game, even if it doesn't happen very often. These players have very generously kept a winning game on my menu for a long period of time, giving me more time, security and confidence for my other games. Bless them!
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And it works the other way too: I am currently in a lost position with a player rated 1787. Yet when I look at this player's previous history, last October he was rated 2041! So I have every right to delay against this opponent while waiting for his rating to climb back to what it should be -- the longer I wait the less points I lose (unless for some strange reason my rating should also start climbing!?).
And thankfully the rating floor kicked-in on this player, otherwise his rating would be even lower.
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It's the higher of the two ratings (at the start of the game and at the end of the game): gameknot.com
So there is no point in delaying the inevitable if the opponent's rating (or your own rating) is below what it was at the start of the game.
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Perhaps.....
....that last message is worth sending system wide? I for one rather enjoy the occassional message from the webmaster, and the message's importance seems great enough to make public. I know of the FAQ, but a monthly "update" on the status of the site with current info and stats would be cool.
lebronisabouttochokeingame3
ps- sorry for contributing to that thread that got deleted
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